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post Mar 14 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(jacksonpang @ Mar 14 2022, 12:33 PM)
Thanks SA for the bloody lesson.
personal opinion: i will only give SA a chance till end of this year. If there's no growth (now is -18%, hope to get -10% by end of the year), I will quit and put my money somewhere else. Staying in negative return consistently for the whole year isn't a investment at all, it's simply just a gamble game by SA but using our money. Me being just 1 year+ user but experiencing 3 times reopt, so called long term investment by SA, they definitely failed my trust.
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To be fair, the "36% SRI" should be interpreted to mean that the portfolio may experience drawdowns as large as 36%. Well within margins...?
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post Mar 14 2022, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(CoolStoryWriter @ Mar 14 2022, 05:27 PM)
I didn't lose money, I got out before SA decided to do some stupid shit like this. I'm just angry why SA didn't keep to it's promise of "long term" bullish on KWEB...I called out their bullshit few months ago.

U guys still can trust this guy? He can any time selloff your funds.

And opportunity costs and time wait for no one
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On the one hand, I'm glad that they listen to the data. On the other hand, what took them so freaking long? Freddy sent letter dy, say secondary sanction risk worrrr... Bruh Jack Ma disappeared for a few months just for making comments. That should've triggered a reassessment of KWEB's place dy laaaa. But nope, increase allocation summore. Good job EERA.
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post Mar 16 2022, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 16 2022, 04:36 PM)
I will stay with Stashaway, but moving forward I expect SA to be more conservative, and let's use 2 robo-advisors at least because 1 crazy decision or bad luck can cause irreversible damage to portfolio.
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"More conservative" can already be done now/all this while by adjusting your SRI lower.
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post Mar 17 2022, 08:02 AM

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It becomes very apparent once you learn about the basics of portfolio construction that SA's asset allocation was not suitable for newbie investors (even at low SRI). If you did not at least warn your friends about it before this, you're doing them a disservice. Not even talking about the active management that SA applies.
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post Jun 23 2022, 04:10 PM

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I put in feedback to add VT, VWRA and ISAC into the selection. If they can scale the management fee according to the number of ETFs I have, then I might consider doing this instead of DIY. A 1-fund portfolio with no rebalancing, no need charge management fees kot...
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post Jun 25 2022, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 25 2022, 03:10 PM)
Curious did anyone know how SA reoptimise ? They sell A buy B based on? Gut feel? Proprietary sophisticated algorithm? So the mgmt fee is to pay for this feature?
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It's called EERA. The algorithmic parameters are a closely guarded secret like KFC 11 herbs and spices.

QUOTE(george_dave91 @ Jun 24 2022, 12:10 PM)
So for those of you opting for the flexible portfolio, what do your portfolio allocations look like. I was thinking of just the s&p500 and the apac ETFs for my equity side 75% and 24% in bonds (1% cash mandatory). Not too sure how to allocate the bond side tho. Not sure what’s good/balanced to begin with.
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In the absence of VT, the following is how I would construct a 100% equities portfolio to emulate VT's regional allocation with the limited number of regional ETFs:

Description Ticker Allocation
S&P 500 IVV 55.00%
S&P Small cap IJR 5.00%
Europe VGK 19.00%
Asia ex-Japan AAXJ 9.00%
Japan EWJ 6.00%
Canada EWC 3.00%
Australia EWA 2.00%
Cash $$$ 1.00%

A 75/24 portfolio would be like this (bond portion could use more refinement):

Description Ticker Allocation
S&P 500 IVV 41.3%
S&P Small cap IJR 3.8%
Europe VGK 15.0%
Asia ex-Japan AAXJ 6.8%
Japan EWJ 4.5%
Canada EWC 2.3%
Australia EWA 1.5%
International gov bond ex-us IGOV 6.0%
Ex-US corporate bond BNDX 6.0%
US aggregate bond AGG 12.0%
Cash $$$ 1.0%

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post Jun 27 2022, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(george_dave91 @ Jun 27 2022, 12:34 AM)
Yes that looks quite comprehensive indeed. Why the low allocation for Asia tho?

I was considering something like the list below. What d’ya think?

Equities (75%)

US - S&P 40%
Asia - AAXJ 25%
Euro - VGK 7%
Jap - EWJ 3%

Others (25%)

Govt bonds
US - TIP 5%
EX US - WIP 5%

Corp bonds
US - FLOT 5%
EX US - BNDX 5%

Commodities
Gold - GLD 4%

Cash
$ 1%
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Relatively low allocation to Asia because Asia ex-Japan only accounts for about 10% of the global equities market by market cap. https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-pr...lio-composition
By making allocations differently from market-cap weightage, you're making a bet that certain regions will over/under-perform relative to the global market. Nothing wrong with that, you just need to know what you're getting yourself into. The ultimate passive investor has no opinion on the market and rides it instead of making bets.

Your equities portion (corrected to 100% for ease of visualisation) look like this:
US - 53%
Asia ex-Japan - 33%
Euro - 9%
Japan - 4%

It can be seen that you're underweighting US & Europe, and overweighting Asia ex-Japan (more than 3x compared to market cap). Asian markets are down beaten and is still developing, so it's understandable you are betting on a massive rebound there (esp as China is ending lockdowns very soon (again)). This is an allocation that you need to babysit because once it massively rebounds, you might want to adjust it back to market-cap weightage (unless you're bullish on Asia long term), because you're exposed to 3x the downside (as it does the upside) compared to global market cap. Putting it in numbers, if somehow Asian markets drop 10% (all else unchanged), a global market-cap equities portfolio will drop 1%. However your portfolio will drop 3% instead due to overexposure to the Asian region. The upside is captured similarly, of coz.

On gold, consider that some of gold's performance is already captured as part of equities holdings as mineral mining companies (a quick search shows IVV and AAXJ contain gold mining companies), in equities market-cap weightage. This makes your "gold" holdings a productive asset. Holding gold in its spot equivalent opens up exposure to it as a non-productive asset (i.e. you're holding it for speculative reasons), meaning to say aside from price increase due to speculation, there is no real expected return from gold as it has no revenue, no sales, no dividends. Gold is only a weak inflation hedge according to many literatures. As Ben Felix says, spot gold is a good store of value if you plan to live to 2000 years old (paraphrase). Anyway, many other portfolio construction theories (dragon portfolio, all-weather portfolio, etc) have incorporated spot gold in it, so it's not an outlandish idea to include it.

I personally have no strong opinion on bonds, because it being the Yin to equities' Yang has been shattered as of late. Plus usually bonds come in when you're starting to insulate your capital from market risks, i.e. counting down to retirement.
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post Jun 27 2022, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 27 2022, 03:09 PM)
I am curious so the criteria to determine the weightage for world global ETF is by market cap ? Does this explain why US stocks dominate the top holdings of any world global ETF?

When I think of world global ETF it should be a well represented stocks from most countries around the world and not where top holdings are all dominated by US stocks. If it is, when US market bear like now, the world global ETF take a big hit too. So for me I get each country specific ETF to represent as a world global ETF instead. iShares series of Indonesia,Thailand,South Korea,Taiwan,Australia,Canada etc.

As for why some investors have high weightage for Asia is primarily becuz of China and to some extent India. From year 2001 where I invest in FSM mutual fund and 20+ years later they have shown to be working. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of Brazil,Russia. Last time BRIC this term refer to those countries.

Lastly why is Japan so special that it is on it's own and not inside Asia? Is it again by market cap definition?
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Weighing by market cap is directly representative of the market composition. Imagine you are a high roller and you go to a nasi lemak roadside stall and say "I want to buy literally everything in your stall". You don't pick a bit of each, you literally buy everything. If that day there's a lot of rice left, you'll get more rice. Weighing by market cap is like that. You naturally buy more of what's more of in the market. Most market indices are market-cap weighted. S&P 500, Nasdaq-100, DAX, KLCI, STI, etc. The weird one is Dow Jones, which is price-weighted (you buy more of what's expensive).

The impact of doing it like this, as you mentioned, is that price fluctuations are influenced by the biggest companies in the market. The S&P 500 hasn't "crashed" for the longest yet all because the largest companies hasn't crashed yet, when in fact the smaller companies have already entered bear market long time ago. The moment the contagion reaches the top companies, the S&P 500 drops like a rock.

So yes, that is why US stocks take up around 60% of most world ETFs, because it is literally 60% of the world's equity by market cap. If the world equity market is worth USD 100 Trillion, the US equity market is worth USD 60 Trillion. There is some fudging of numbers if you search online (I've calculated that US's market cap is actually 44% of global market), probably due to an "investiblility" filter that indices put. Remember that Russia was demoted to "uninvestable" by many index makers.

Another type of weighting is called "equal-weighted", where each constituent is given equal weightage in a portfolio/ETF. Examples are like the ETF RSP (S&P 500 equal weighted) and QQQE (Nasdaq-100 equal weighted). In this instance, the price fluctuations are equally impactful regardless of company size. I tend to use the equal-weighted indices as a leading indicator for the main index.

Japan usually gets a special place because it is too big and matured a market to be invested together with the rest of Asia. In terms of equity market, Japan is a developed market, while other "developed" countries like Korea and China is actually classified as Emerging Market by MSCI (one of the index makers). By market cap, Japan is almost 40% of the total Asian equity market. Some investors prefer to refine their allocation to Japan with respect to the rest of Asia, esp with Japan being famous for the "lost decade", hence products like AAXJ were created.

Most region-based ETFs that are sold in developed markets have an ex-Country ETF to control for home country overweight and tax treatment. It is common for US investors to buy VTI + VXUS instead of VT because they can better optimise for tax. In UK there're ex-UK ETFs for similar reasons.
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post Jun 29 2022, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(george_dave91 @ Jun 29 2022, 03:57 PM)
Very well explained. Right so its market cap weighted. I made the initial allocation based on GDP. Based on some of the research online on GDP weighted vs cap weighted in terms of performance, the results seem to be conflicting. Some say one is GDP is better some say market cap is better. Lol I’m quite confused now. All research papers justify their claims and methodology well. Cant quite get why the conflicting results tho.

Yeah with regards to the gold, essentially I’ve learned that it is best to be more prudent as far as risk goes, not necessarily due to tolerance per se, rather I feel that my current emergency fund is not solid enough. Perhaps if i have a full 6-12 mnth emergency fund then I’d consider going fully equities. What do you think about the whole Gdp v market cap debate?

As such i decided to allocate about 25-20% in FI assets. However the returns seem rather lacklustre especially when compared to its risk. Also as you rightly pointed out, recent performance indicates that bonds may no longer be the Yin to equities. Both seem more correlated albeit with varying magnitude. So I thought I’d throw in a bit of gold, being a less correlated asset to add some diversity to that 20/25 part of the portfolio. I suppose i need to do more research regarding fixed income first
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The problem I see in weighting countries by GDP in an equities investment portfolio is that a country's equities market does not fully capture it's GDP drivers. Let's take the US for example, specifically the sector components in VTI (supposed to represent 100% of the total investable market in the US) and compare it to US's GDP drivers.

https://www.morningstar.com/etfs/xmex/vti/portfolio

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248004/...dp-by-industry/

(understand the GDP data is 2020, but the general proportions do not change that much over the short term)

Take the tech sector. Under VTI, the technology sector is almost 24%, while the "information" sector is only a measly 5.5% of US GDP (debatable whether they are comparable sectors, just an example anyway).
Or take the utilities sector. 3% in VTI, 1.6% by GDP.

Not to mention that there remains large companies that drive a country's GDP that are still privately held (i.e. not investable via the market): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large...nies_by_revenue

So even if you weigh the countries by GDP, your portfolio (which consists of ETFs that use market-cap weighted indices as its reference) does not reflect the GDP drivers of the country anyway. It will be difficult to describe what your portfolio is trying to reflect, due to the mishmash of concepts that do not align with one another.

The available literature on it does suggest doing a GDP-weighted portfolio has potential outperformance (which is all that matters). However, I suspect this theoretical performance was not able to be replicated in real life, hence the relative less-popularity of such indices and absence of such ETFs. The main deviation that I can see between market-cap and GDP weightage is US and China, where US is overweight and China is underweight. My interpretation of this is that China has big companies that are still private (Huawei being one of it, who woulda thought?!). You would not be able to capture those companies' performance anyway even if you increase China's weightage to match GDP. You're just investing more in companies already in the market. As far as compensating for market risks go, the available literature suggests that doing GDP-weightage represents a tilt towards Emerging Markets, and hence higher exposure to the value factor.
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post Jul 2 2022, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Jul 2 2022, 08:09 AM)
would like to ask is it possible to hold USD forex/currency in flexible portfolio?

thinking to switch partial amount from existing portfolio to USD without withdraw
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Maximum is 97% cash. Maybe 3% allocate to short duration US bonds.

But why you wanna do that though? You're basically giving SA free money. You still have to pay SA management fee on that amount. Switching portfolio funds are not eligible for the free promo. Need to determine if the forex protection outweighs the management fee.
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post Aug 22 2022, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Aug 22 2022, 09:51 AM)
Endowus had Dimensional advised portfolios starting like a year ago. I am actually using it but so far got negative returns so can’t tell how good yet in long run vs their own portfolios.
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Which Dimensional funds are those? Generally in market downturn, outperformance is achieved by having less drawdown then the general market. If the S&P 500 is down 20% but your portfolio only down 15%, it's considered a win.
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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 1 2022, 02:24 PM)
blackrock now live in app. co-exist with existing SA portfolios.
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Lollll looks like EERA has been retired entirely from new General Investing portfolios. RIP EERA.

The Blackrock portfolios are made up of some deliberately complicated products. Mish mash of thematic ETFs, factor investing, ESG, and regional ETFs. Thematic and ESG have not shown to compensate risk appropriately. GI is shown to be predatory against investing beginners once again. At least it's regionally diversified? Kek.

Also SA once again walked back on their previous hardline statement, this time on not going with UCITS ETFs. Now their GI portfolios are almost entirely comprised of UCITS ETFs. Who knew Blackrock themselves thought UCITS made more sense for non-US investors.
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post Sep 1 2022, 11:56 PM

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Whoops haha y'all are right. Old GI still there. Blinded by the shiny new thing.
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post Sep 21 2022, 09:32 PM

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Latest webinar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lHE3K77xo_...fta-sF-6lJ/view

Q&A starts at 45mins.

In short, they are leveraging on Aladdin.
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post Oct 15 2022, 12:53 AM

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Didn't notice an announcement for new additions to the Flexible Portfolio ETF selection, but I noticed VT is finally included among the selection under "International Stock Market". It's less ideal than the accumulating ETFs of VWRA, ISAC and the likes, but it's adequate for now. Will be shifting my entire GI portfolio into this.
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post Oct 15 2022, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Oct 15 2022, 07:06 AM)
If you hold enough $, just use a broker over stashaway.
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My ISAC holdings in IBKR is many times my SA portfolio haha. Just lazy to take money out from SA considering the waiting time. Maybe the day will come someday.

The VT addition is good for anyone wanting to go boglehead without opening IBKR and want to DCA in MYR. Maybe can transfer to IBKR from time to time after accumulate a certain amount. Forming the habit is crucial


QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Oct 15 2022, 07:08 AM)
wow VT is new..

however, if switching to VT/IVV is what you need, you can do that with Rakuten Trade now (IBKR is better/cheaper but i know of malaysians who are afraid and only trust rakuten as it's SC approved). no excuse to not move it to there as u can hold USD in Rakuten (no need to convert back to MYR every time you buy & sell) & commission is only 0.1% for buy/sell.

unless you are afraid market jump up while you move your money out from SA. or, you intend to put new funds into VT/IVV (via SA) as the FOC promo is still valid till June 2023
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Probably added within the last 2 weeks as that was the last time I checked and still don't have VT yet that time. I've been doing my little part in advocating StashAway to add VT, VWRA and ISAC, submitting the request multiple times, even asking them point blank during their webminar.
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post Dec 23 2022, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Dec 22 2022, 08:13 AM)
So I got a few portfolios. Some interesting points I picked up:

1. Stashaway starts to use UCITS ETF, basically Europe-listed ETFs that can accumulate dividends and bring down dividend taxes at the back from 30% to 15%. For example in VAR 36%, they start to use ISAC:

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Yet another thing Stashaway have walked back on. Glad common sense finally got to them.

Their previous opinion on UCITS vs US-listed ETF: https://www.stashaway.sg/r/etf-taxes-return...tracking-errors

If they still believed in it, they would've used VT instead of ISAC (which is the iShares version of VWRA, which is Vanguard's watered down UCITS version of it's US-listed ETF VT).

Wonder if they will pass on the savings from using accumulating funds back to investors in the form of lower management fees? Or they will pocket it senyap senyap?
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Didn't manage to listen in on tonight's live chat where they discuss the most recent reoptimisation. Any tl;dw or key highlights?
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post Apr 20 2023, 04:00 PM

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If you're willing to pay the management fees, just use SA as an ETF buying proxy using SA Flexible. Nothing stopping you from making 1-fund portfolios.
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post May 30 2023, 07:39 PM

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Just announced/teased on the Stashaway Flexible webinar: one-fund portfolios in Flexible will incur a flat 0.3% p.a management fees (instead of the 0.8% - 0.2% ladder structure), applicable for each one-fund Flexible portfolios. I'm cautiously optimistic about this announcement, pending final confirmation in black & white once the no-fee promotion ends in June.

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