QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 3 2019, 11:25 PM)
I bet you suck at math.
Vivian Balakrishnan remarks that Malaysia-, -Singapore water deal is "morally wrong"
Vivian Balakrishnan remarks that Malaysia-, -Singapore water deal is "morally wrong"
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Mar 3 2019, 11:26 PM
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Mar 4 2019, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(syahmie8 @ Mar 3 2019, 11:30 PM) Then buy the water treatment and stop selling water to Singapore la.. Why need to wait until 2061??? Lepas tu menyalak tak dpt jual air mahal.. Kena beli air mahal.. Wat the heck.. Oh well.. Something secret agreement that benefits some people la ni where the rakyat need to suffer.. đŸ˜„ 1. there is a binding agreement that ends in 20612. why buy water treatment plant when you can get it for free? 3. why stop selling when you also get benefits from selling (effectively getting free treated water)? and yes, who benefits from this water deal? bukit berlari? This post has been edited by Faidzal: Mar 4 2019, 02:24 AM |
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Mar 4 2019, 02:25 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 3 2019, 11:54 PM) Your math is good? Then help answer 3 simple math questions below. did you factor in the cost for Singapore to treat 1000 gallon of raw water?How much is the total cost for 250 million gallon selling rate at 3 cent / thousand gallon How much is the total cost for 16 million gallon of water with selling rate of 50 cent / thousand gallon? Which one is higher per above? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « of course you didn't bcos you didn't read any of the other replies as well. ok la I humour you 1. answer is 7500 = A 2. answer is 8000 = B but unfortunately equation no. 2 is supposed to be 16x1000x7.20 = 115,200 = C with 7.20 the cost to Singapore to treat the water for both sides. instead of selling water at 115,200, Singapore sold it for 8000. C- B = Singapore loses 107,200 each time they sell to Malaysia told you you suck at math |
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Mar 4 2019, 02:31 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 3 2019, 11:58 PM) I know and we will be paying the maintainance fees of the treatment plant after the handover. You catch the deal? See short terms we getting free treatment plant, try see long term. We maintaining it+ selling water at lower rate 1st of all who is we?Also there are side deal with petronas in exchange of SG helping us building the treatment plant. In a nutshell there are no free lunch given by Singapore, we are at lost again and again. I post the link earlier. Try look for it. there's no 'we'. there's only the water concession holder which in this case is ranhill. the ranhill corp. pay maintenance fee only for the plants that supply water to johor. as per agreement. they get money to do maintenance from johor ppl who buy their water. as for plants that supply both johor and Singapore, it's Singapore that's responsible. as per agreement not only you suck at math, you lack understanding of law as well. |
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Mar 4 2019, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 12:41 AM) indeed I agree, SG will definitely laugh at us. singaporeans only laugh at YOU and you alone bcos you really are stupid.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Summary Sg -My 24 November 1990 agreement- agreements would expire in 2061 Singapore to build a dam across Sungei Linggiu to facilitate the extraction of water from the Johor River Singapore would compensate Johor RM$320 million for the land needed to build the dam and its surrounding facilities. This was in addition to a premium of RM18,000 per ha (per 10,000 sq m) and an annual rent of RM30 for every 1,000 sq ft (per 92.9 sq m) of the land. Singapore would also bear the cost of constructing and maintaining the dam, which would be transferred to Johor at a later date Together with the water agreement signed, there was also another agreement signed with Malaysian oil company Petronas that secured the supply of 150 million cu ft (about 4.2 million cu m) of natural gas from Terengganu to Singapore. So stupid is Malaysian, got milked like a cow still feeling grateful because they are feeding us fodder. Above article sure is a win to sg. Because got stupid people who see 310 million sgd owai.. Its myr, can feed us forever. Cancelling 1 hsr project already cost us double or triple of 310 million myr. others already pointed out your mistakes. |
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Mar 4 2019, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 03:05 AM) Look, you answered my questions, we are paying net 500 ringgit end of the day. lulz, you really think johor or ranhill or whatever the entity that you refer to 'we' is paying Singapore for treated water?You keep on harping about the actual cost SG paid and how much they subsidize us. You really think we need myr 7.20 to treat 1000 gallon of water? You know how much is selangor selling for 1000 gallon to the consumer? Try compare Ranhill rate with syabas rate. Its 80 cent/ first 20 m3 agaisnt 57 cent / first 20 m3. Its more expensive even with sg so called subsidies, why? So you're saying we can't treat the water ourselves at cheaper rate? We can't get treated water under 50 cent if we do it ourselves? And I'm not even talking about their cost to begin with, I'm talking about our selling price to them. If you want to hug on the debate of Singapore subsidies us their actually cost is higher, then why not we take over the treatment plant and sell treated water to Singapore? They are selling sgd 1.19 / first 40 m3, we can sell them 1 sgd for first 40m3 & so on they can goyang kaki and earn 19 cent sgd for first 40m3 & so on. so naĂ¯ve of you. net pay of RM500? topkek. you already mentioned this didn't you? QUOTE Singapore would compensate Johor RM$320 million for the land needed to build the dam and its surrounding facilities. This was in addition to a premium of RM18,000 per ha (per 10,000 sq m) and an annual rent of RM30 for every 1,000 sq ft (per 92.9 sq m) of the land. and that is for the new dam and accompanying water plant, but what about the other older plants? kesian your comprehension really bad. and keep mentioning about maintenance cost to me. bro once we own the plants only then we pay, as it is maintenance cost is part of the calculation of the water tariff ranhill/syabas/PBA etc. water company charge consumers for the water. ppl have been copy pasting the agreement and also you yourself copy pasted the agreement. what part of that agreement you can't understand? 1. Singapore has right to draw raw water from johor and sell treated water to johor 2. agreement is until 2061, and it's been since the 1920s, only that latest terms are set in 1990, all this while they have been drawing raw water but even johor can't supply what they require bcos Singapore didn't invest much up until johor and Singapore agreed to the terms you copypasted. 3. once agreement ends in 2061, everything reverts to johor and Singapore can't get a drop of water from johor unless they do a new agreement. you keep mentioning that johor should take over the water treatment? do you understand 'breach of contract'? here's some nice old news about how much Singapore actually paying johor to supply johor with water: https://www.quora.com/Under-the-1961-1962-w...n-for-raw-water |
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Mar 4 2019, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 03:11 AM) Ranhill is Malaysia company no? Malaysia companies is paying for the maintainance fees no? What are you trying to proves? here's an analogyOf course, Singapore is paying for the maintainance for now, how about in future? try explain below sentence then, Singapore would also bear the cost of constructing and maintaining the dam, which would be transferred to Johor at a later date What you understand as per the law? 1. Singapore and Johor need house. 2. Johor has land but not so much money, so Singapore builds house using 100% of Singapore's money on Johor's land. 3. Johor and Singapore make agreement, whereby Singapore pays for everything (quit rent, assessment, bills, unifi, furnishing etc.) and Johor pay token sum of rm500/month to use everything inside the house and stay inside house as well. no matter how you calculate it, Singapore pays more compared to johor in this regard. 4. however in same agreement Johor will also get the house in 2061 for free and Singapore must move out, but cannot remove anything from house at all, cannot claim anything at all. 5. Johor also all this while sublet the some of the rooms in the house that Singapore and Johor share to Johor's cousins and friends, and the amount Johor collects from the subletting effectively exceeds the rm500/month that Johor pay to Singapore, and this is also in the agreement and Singapore can't object to other ppl staying in the house bcos they are Johor's friends and cousins. Johor's cousins and friends who live in Johor's part of house don't have to leave after 2061, unlike Singapore... Once Singapore leave house Johor get a bigger house and can even increase rent to his cousins and friends who still stay there... if Singapore wants to continue living inside the now-legally-owned-by-johor house beyond 2061, they have to do new agreement. despite it's Singapore that effectively built and kept the house... now you understand? |
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Mar 4 2019, 10:53 AM
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Mar 4 2019, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 10:16 AM) Bro, by just paying rental cukai tanah etc, that is already enough? yes, in fact johor and ranhill profit from all this water business.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « as many others have even drawn it in nice infographic to you. Malaysians pay more to Malaysian company or govt.? why this is normal, where have you been? if you still cannot or would not understand this then mmg you bodo sombong |
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Mar 4 2019, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 10:27 AM) Bro, what's wrong for Singapore to pay more? It's expected. They need vital water sources and gas. In the agreement they get both resources. hello genius, if we ask Singapore to pay market rate for our raw water now, they also have right to ask Johor to pay market rate for their treated water.Please, we don't have myr 320 million? Really? We can't afford it? We aren't talking about billions here. We get the facilities in 2061 for free? At what cost? Maintaining it. End of the day who is paying the maintainance? Ranhill? No, it will be Malaysian. 2061 we draft new agreement? Why not we draft new one now? Taking into consideration cost we need absorb to maintaining the world class treatment plant. as this guy already mentioned WAY WAY EARLIER in this tered: QUOTE(weissPC @ Mar 3 2019, 02:30 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Furthermore, as indicated in the video, if Malaysia increase the price of raw water, what is there to prevent Singapore to jack up the price of treated water to Malaysia? Isn't that stupid? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Mar 4 2019, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 11:08 AM) Hello more genius, we can get the treated water ourselves at cheaper rate than what Ranhill is currently charging. Just like the other forumer here point out, got tongkat, why want work for it mentality is stopping us from doing that. hello genius, what part of this infographic you don't understand?![]() johor are getting treated water at ZERO (0) cost, what is more cheaper than ZERO? as mentioned many2 times in this tered also, why is ranhill charging us higher? how much is ranhill paying johor govt.? who else is ranhill paying from the fat 100% profit they make each time they sell water to consumers? TL; DR who is really getting richer from selling free stuff? open your eyes and see who has been conning who.... |
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Mar 4 2019, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Mar 4 2019, 11:13 AM) kepala hotak dia free, piping and dam no need maintain ka, salary to maintain those infra no need to pay ka? 1. Singapore pays for all of that too, until end of 2061.selling at 3cent per 1000gallon is like selling at loss. so, it is free. to johor and ranhill. kenapa, tak percaya ke? |
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Mar 4 2019, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Mar 4 2019, 11:38 AM) Johor getting treated water at zero cost? The 50 cent we paying SG is not a cost? Also you admitted that Ranhill is taking over the plant hand over by SG in 2011, they are maintaining it. Pay 50 cent for treated water from SG, summore pay to maintain the 44 plant taken over in 2011 from SG. Go figure. In 2061, there are another plant hand over to us. I give up. what part of getting paid RM3.10/1000 gallon for doing nothing that you refuse to understand? what part of getting a multi million dollar water treatment plant for FREE that you can't understand? what part of ranhill and johor govt. profiting from johor consumers that you seem to not understand? even if after 2061, cost to treat water stay the same (RM2.40), cost of raw water is now zero (bcos it's all water in johor and we don't sell anymore to Singapore) and selling it at RM3.60, that's still gross profit of RM1.20 from previous of RM3.10. no loan to pay off from building water plant etc. free money! from selling raw water! |
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Mar 4 2019, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(aniaaw325 @ Mar 4 2019, 11:50 AM) Let me try to understand you. his usual counter is that we pay singapore RM0.50! not free! Singapore tipu!Think your intellect is unmatched in MY except by Dr M himself SG built a house (free of charge) for us, handed to us and we are complaining why SG is not continuing to pay for its upkeep. Is this what you are saying? |
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