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post Jan 8 2020, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jan 8 2020, 09:48 AM)
As long as the money doesn't get suspended in limbo its fine.
Benefit of putting in $60K in January is that you get the dividend for the month.
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what is the "last" date to put in, to be eligible for the FULL Jan dividend calculation?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM)
login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.
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can I ask....
can the contribution from the employee and employer that are deposited on 15 Jan be seen in that manner too after a few days, without having to wait till after dividend announcement?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:18 PM)
Yes and No. If your firm's HR processed it exactly on 15 Jan (and not like batch it to some later date), then yes it can be seen.

The issue is when HR pay salary for say Jan, and claimed it is 15 Jan payment (i guess due to CNY), your net salary into your salary bank account may appear on 15 Jan. But your HR may choose to do the payment to EPF on Feb 10.
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what if they paid the end Dec salary on 31 Dec but EPF deducted from the 31 Dec salary, but paid/submit contribution on 15 Jan....will that EPF contribution be shown in the "withdrawal eligibility" method too...(maybe on 18 Jan)?
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:30 PM)
this one yes. it should appear. At least it did in previous years when I checked.
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post Jan 10 2020, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Jan 3 2020, 06:12 PM)
Yes, the self contribution and deduction for January2020 will only be seen after dividend is released.
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can try check out the method as in below post

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2020, 01:12 PM)
login to kwsp, and check the "Withdrawal Eligibility". The Total Account Balance should reflect the actual balance, ie inclusive of your Jan's contribution.
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post Jan 31 2020, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 31 2020, 03:31 AM)
Official responses from EPF :

1. the dividend calculation for the contribution is based on one day for the contribution month.<snipped>
Thus, if you wish to get dividend for 2020, you may contribute any day in December 2019.

2. Kindly be informed, any contribution payment made via electronic payment methods will be processed by the bank within three working days from date of payment. The Bank Website payment status will then be updated in the EPF system within the period.

So there is no definite answer to your question. From my experience with Public Bank, 2019, Day 1 pay EPF, Day 3 reflected on EPF online as Day 2.

I just repeated this yesterday, Jan 30 (Day 1). Will know after 2020 contributions are reflected, which is after dividend day, or maybe I can use the trick below on Feb 1. If there's any delay, I lose 1 month dividend.
Because it's waiting for the 2019 dividend.
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thumbsup.gif thanks for getting the EPF's reply...
so if the contribution is "late" to enter EPF and assumed to be in EPF on 2 Jan,......then it will be pro rated (less 1 day) of the whole year dividend?
so assuming RM60k lump sum "late" at 6% = 3600/365 = approximately RM9.80 less for each 1 day late?
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post Jan 31 2020, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Jan 31 2020, 10:30 AM)
oh no worries. I asked this a few months ago.

If Jan 1 in, you only get 1 day for Jan's dividend. no pro-rates. pro-rate is for withdrawals. Jan 2, 3. 4, etc all get same amount of dividend for Jan, i.e. 1 day only
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thumbsup.gif notworthy.gif thanks for pointing out.
will have to keep this in my mind.
I will only get 1 day of dividend payment for that month, no matter when the new contributed money is in the EPF for that month....no pro prorate benefits for contribution.
Only withdrawal date variance will have the pro rate benefits.
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post Feb 19 2020, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(jas029 @ Feb 19 2020, 11:46 AM)
understand with the lock-in for EPF..

i should mention too this is for long term..

would assume by adding cash into 100k can build-up the fund faster through compounding interest when compare to  adding cash to 20K?
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just ensure you have enough cash flow for other needs while money in EPF are locked away.

Your Question:
would assume by adding cash into 100k can build-up the fund faster through compounding interest when compare to adding cash to 20K?
if both samples have RM20K at start, for A & B
if you add in RM100k into A, then you will have RM120k x 5% pa X 20 yrs
if you add in RM20k into B, then you will have RM40k X 5% pa X 20 yrs

so which one will have more money in the end?...is this the query you asked?
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post Mar 7 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Mar 7 2020, 10:17 AM)
anyone knows what is the maximum limit if using Maybank payment into EPF? i asked them in FB, they say 15K per transaction but when I make the payment, it says my limit is 5K.
How to raise the limit? I look under payment limit but dont see anything relevant.
thanks in advance
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may not answer your query, but hope that this would be just an added info to you and others

not sure about Maybank, but for PBB there is a forummer posted
"For self contribution, its possible to transfer RM60K one shot on PB e-banking."
"Using PBB ebanking, no security device.
For Rm60K one transaction, just using fone and TAC number."

if interested can check out more of his postings in
page 195, post 3900
page 196, post 3906, 3910
page 197, post 3929
EPF DIVIDEND, EPF
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2705461/+3900

thus if confirmed Maybank has limits of 5K, then maybe you can consider PBB online then?
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post Mar 7 2020, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Mar 7 2020, 11:37 AM)
Just make multiple 5k via M2U into EPF, can do multiple transactions in a single day.
Cannot raise limit, that is the max.
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Mar 7 2020, 11:38 AM)
ah thats what i have been doing, multiples of 5K
thanks for letting me know, strange this maybank told me 15K limit
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just for knowledge.....
what is the max amount of times or & value can be made PER DAY?
is there a limits?
like max 10 times (transaction/transfers) or max RM100k ....in a single day?

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post Mar 7 2020, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(akhito @ Mar 7 2020, 04:54 PM)
Just curious, how well that u guys , the self-contributors have faith in epf since the fund is kinda locked down until 60 years old
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some are >55 yrs old
some has extra cash,...sort of asset diversification
some just put a little extra % into it for retirement purpose, that amount put in does not affect their cash flow
some are near 50 yrs old, thus can take out 30% of it if and when needed at 50
etc, etc


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post Mar 8 2020, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(akhito @ Mar 8 2020, 12:02 PM)
Well, i just want to know how u guys thinks. If aunty uncle also think like, no ppl will panic withdraw ald. It is a fun thing to see different kind of opinion.
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aunties and uncles withdraw could not be due to panic only
aunties and uncles withdraw could be that they wanted to "enjoy" the fruits of their labour before the end of time
aunties and uncles withdraw could be they wanted to use that money to further the educations of their family members
aunties and uncles withdraw could be they wanted to move to a higher yielding instrument that they think could increase to ROI.
aunties and uncles withdraw could of many things other than "panic" only
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post May 27 2020, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ May 26 2020, 11:07 PM)
my latest top-up was rm5k...that means rm5k would be refunded ?
these few days epf on holiday...no update on my account yet
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can you check online to see if that money is in?
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post Jun 6 2020, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 6 2020, 09:40 AM)
Any thoughts on the i-saraan matching grant for EPF?

I guess there should be a limit to it, otherwise if someone deposited several thousands, the government will have to fork out a huge sum for everyone.

But no information on the limit though?
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this matching grant that you mentioned....is it about this?
Matching grant for gig workers
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2020/06/...timely-says-epf
"Yesterday, Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin announced that the government will provide a matching grant of up to RM50 million for gig economy platforms who contribute towards their gig workers' Social Security Organisation's (Socso) employment injury scheme and the EPF's i-Saraan scheme.
The initiative is among 40 outlined in the RM35 billion allocated under the Penjana Economic Recovery Plan."??

if YES, then,...from the same article...
"The move by the government to provide a matching grant for gig economy workers to contribute towards the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) via the i-Saraan scheme comes at the right time, taking into consideration developments in the country's workforce sector.
i-Saraan allows EPF members who are self-employed and do not earn a regular income to make voluntary contributions towards their retirement and at the same time, receive additional contribution from the government."

for its rate and others...do refer to GrumpyNooby's earlier postings

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 6 2020, 10:11 AM)
Appreciate that. Yes I am referring to that announcement. But I am trying to understand how this new "matching grant" is different from the 15% incentive earlier. No details are released except the total amount is 50 million. Both Grumpy and you are directing me to the original 15% incentive by the government which I am fully aware of.

What I want to know is how this new "matching grant" is different from the old/original 15% incentive? Or are they the same thing (in which case, the announcement yesterday is useless.)?
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I think it was meant to allow/encourage those in the gig economy to participate in those scheme....
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 26 2020, 03:23 PM)
Any idea this "Sumbangan I-Saraan" still available? Has it been given out for 2020 cos I cant check at EPF website due to maintenance? hope it will return b4 year end.

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just asking,....when did you make the I-saraan contribution?

i think reading from their FAQs

The EPF will routinely make government contribution claims based on accumulated contribution for the first (January to June) and second (July to December) halves of the year.
Upon receiving the contribution payment from the government, the amount will be credited into members' Account 1 (Retirement Account).

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/member/contribution...he%20government.

looks like those that contribute i-saraan on the 2nd half of the year will "get" it next year.
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post Dec 27 2020, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 27 2020, 11:31 AM)
I did my i-saraan contribution on 19 May 2020 and received RM250 gov contribution on 24 Sep 2020
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thanks for telling and confirming the latest info
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post Dec 31 2020, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(laceruffles91 @ Dec 31 2020, 10:25 PM)
Thanks! Then i can save some in epf instead of fd ✌🏻
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Do take note of the availability of lock in period in epf...
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jan 1 2021, 11:22 PM)
Today 1-Jan already...u can transfer 60K terus for self-contribution.
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Doing it on 1st or end of the month also get same dividend amount for tis month?

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jan 2 2021, 12:25 PM)
I think there is a cut-off date within the month which determines the div calc for that month itself,
but I'm not entirely sure how the mechanics.

I'm not bothered to count pennies here, just transfer when you have the funds ready.
A few bucks not gained are negligible, small potatoes
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possible of 2%pa interest for 29 days for 60k ...not a small potatoes for me thou...

read previously it is just 1 day interest no matter when you put in for that month....to have full month calculation...had to be in by "last" month

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