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post Mar 10 2023, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Mar 10 2023, 01:30 AM)
How to move to Singapore? Can we move our fund to sg bank (amount is extremely huge)? As I heard my friend got blocked by the bank due to huge amount transferred out of Malaysia
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Of course you don’t it one shot πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Also got DRB clause whereby BNM has restrictions for capital outflows for certain ppl
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post Mar 10 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Mar 10 2023, 10:07 AM)
Can we open Singapore bank account?
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Of course you can subject to MAS rules πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Go read the thread to open to Singapore bank accounts
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post Mar 10 2023, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 10 2023, 11:45 AM)
Why not...

Easier if Malaysia based banks like Maybank or CIMB 😁

More information (check the latest page number)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1440794
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Not necessary true as Maybank and CIMB in Singapore are subjected to MAS regulations not BNM πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Mar 11 2023, 05:20 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 10 2023, 07:56 PM)
Compared with those local banks there...

This 2 better chance.... For Malaysian πŸ’ͺ
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Nonsense again πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ as long as you meet their requirements even Malaysian IC is accepted

SG Banks will let you open subject to their requirements and account size
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post Mar 11 2023, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 11 2023, 08:01 AM)
Since u so expert

Please give details what is the requirements for those locals banks & the one by Malaysia banks in Singapore?

Which one is more easier to fulfill by Malaysian...
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There is no such thing as easier to fulfill as MAS would have the same standard for all banks in Singapore with the same requirements πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

The only things that differentiate is the opening channels and Singpass KYC
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post Mar 11 2023, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Mar 11 2023, 08:42 AM)
Maybank and CIMB allows you to open online. I click at home click click kaw tim. SG Bank allows me to do this? I want to know also!  Then I can open DBS account online. Can we do that???
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Nonsense you can open DBS account online πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/support/ban...ew-opening.html

The only that is stopping you is the Singpass

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 11 2023, 10:19 AM)
Bingo πŸ‘

DBS must go Singapore open...
They want to see your face to face.... Take thumbprint
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Nonsense read here πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/support/ban...ew-opening.html

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post Mar 24 2023, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 24 2023, 04:04 PM)
what's so good of HALAL... it's for the Malays to move funds to Akaun syariah
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Better that way πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ more nimble better earnings to be given dividends for those actual EPF conventional holders

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post Mar 25 2023, 05:12 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 24 2023, 08:16 PM)
Well...

Next year or so...

Need to fully split

So they need the $$$...

Thus desperate attempt of getting many people as possible on board into sharia account

Also remember...
Once convert... No turning back... Hotel California πŸ˜œπŸ˜‰πŸ˜ƒ
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They are desperate because they need minimum AUM because they are buying Shariah overseas once the Shariah board in place with Goldman Sachs and Blackrock are the big winners

QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 24 2023, 08:36 PM)
once they consistent give higher div... we all can convert... wink.gif
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Shariah will never give higher dividends because a lot of restrictions in sectors particularly high growth and cyclical sectors like biotech and banking πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

As long as the word interests is restrictive to them there is no way it will be higher πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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post Mar 26 2023, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(doremon @ Mar 26 2023, 05:24 AM)
Just to check this Shariah is pure optional right ? Not a force applied to malay muslim only ?
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Yes optional unless you want to
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post Mar 27 2023, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Mar 26 2023, 08:50 PM)
Something is definitely brewing inside the shariah fund, i speculate that the total amount coming out in the next few years exceed the amount coming in.

This is of course excarbated since the conventional is the default fund, so any new contributor will be under conventional unless opt out.
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They are having headaches now with it because the AUM is too small for them to diversify for abroad shariah investments

Most likely they default the new muslims contributors to Shariah unless they will opt out choice by filling in another form
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post Mar 27 2023, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(nordtty @ Mar 27 2023, 03:38 AM)
Yes but during bad economic situations, shariah funds tend to have lesser volatility no? My Shariah PRS actually did better than non shariah PRS now
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Not necessary true

Shariah investments are very highly dependant on Real Estate, Oil and Gas and Property which will be badly hit by recession more πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Volatility yes it might be even higher because of the nature of the business invested are not immune not to economic cycles
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post Mar 29 2023, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 29 2023, 12:19 PM)
Extract from the news,

On other developments, Amir Hamzah said EPF will be announcing the increase of the voluntary contribution limit to RM100,000 in April this year.

β€œIn the previous Budget 2023, which was announced by the former finance minister, an increase of voluntary contribution limit from RM60,000 to RM100,000, was stated but, unfortunately, the budget was not gazetted yet so we would not be able to roll it out.

β€œBut we have received the board’s support that directionally, RM100,000 is the right number and we are now working on a process to legitimise the lifting of that amount,” he added.

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...l-savings/57971

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Board support also no point because the minister power can override it anytime πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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post Mar 31 2023, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Mar 31 2023, 08:25 PM)
Reading the replies here I can see a downside of self contribution. Say you have 1m today, your account 2 can withdraw 300k for house. You have 60k extra and you put into EPF, 18k will go to account 2 and 42k to account 1.

If you withdraw all 60k again, your account 2 balance will be at 258k left.

Tldr, if you didn't self contribute, you would have 360k for the house. But if you do, you only have 60 + 258k.

Is my logic correct?
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No because if you self contribute it will split 70:30 again

So account 1 would be 742k+42k while account 2 would be 258k+18k and you can withdraw 60k then afterwards then from only account 2
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post Mar 31 2023, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Mar 31 2023, 08:36 PM)
Price not right yet. Since I can wait, I thought of putting my money into epf first and withdraw later.

Looks like not a good idea.
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Unless you withdraw after dividends announcement it will be different story if you wanna do that
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post Apr 1 2023, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Mar 31 2023, 08:39 PM)
The issue is not contributing but the issue is withdrawing. When you contribute it goes 70:30 but when withdraw for those above 1m, it is from account 2 first.

So using my example, you will have less money to spend if you self contribute and later buy house using account 2.
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No matter what when you withdraw it will be still deducted account 2 itself πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

You can check on EPF app to be sure what is withdrawable amount as you will only be able to tally withdrawable amount to account 2
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QUOTE(leesw2263 @ Apr 3 2023, 04:05 PM)
Confirmed the withdrawal is from acccount 2.

It takes about 2-3 working day to reach our banking account.

Like other forumer said, the self-contribution portion will split 70-30 into our epf account but withdrawal only get from account 2.

It may not be advisable to treat it is FD since deposit in full, withdrawal only allow 30%...

Better park in other bank FD account for urgent use if any.

Thank you.
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No need to confirm as account 1 is locked account till 55 while withdrawals are only account 2

Already the app itself will tell you how much you can withdraw πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Apr 3 2023, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Apr 3 2023, 08:07 PM)
i believe the M40+B40 won't have RM60k to pump yearly lo... Those who does it regularly are mostly 40+
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If that this is that the case that only T20 does that πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ you are wrong then πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Most would M40 would use EPF self contribution for the purpose buying a house hence they will contribute whatever left from expenses to save for it

It is possible for those on 96k yearly earning to save up 60k provide they are living lifestyle free of debt and you can see a forummer who save up much and put into US options and shares instead
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post Apr 4 2023, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Apr 3 2023, 09:02 PM)
It is not advisable to use self contribution as a savings to buy house if you are not 55 and above.

If you dump 300k over 5 years, you can only take out 90k for house because 30% goes to account 2 and you can only withdraw from account 2.
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You can withdraw almost everything in account 2 if you withdrawing to pay for a house as I did it before because you can withdraw twice for housing πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Go check at the app as the withdrawal for housing will tally the same amount in account 2 πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Apr 10 2023, 12:52 PM)
I am a bit concern if more and more people treat epf as a high interest saving account for those people that exceed 1 mil. If too many reach 1 mil and do this, epf might raised the bar further to 2 mil . 1 mil is achievable in near future but 2 mil, might as well i wait for retirement.

It would be too risky for me to transfer from my ASX if the rule is revised further to 2 mil. A lot of my fund would be locked out and out of reach for significant amount of time.
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Don’t worry too much with the things you can’t control πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

As to amend the act it is not that easy with the current mixed govt in place to change any policies for it

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 10 2023, 01:02 PM)
EPF governance is about ensuring sufficient funds for retirement which has a target of below 1M in EPF savings. Their job is not to police how much you should keep in EPF beyond that target.

We have enough fear mongering in Malaysia already.
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Even most their advise minimum retirement fund to have is out of date and they won’t be policing these otherwise many accounts would have 240k minimum by now πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Apr 11 2023, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 11 2023, 08:21 AM)
If M40/B40 push for tiered dividend, they are the one who will lose out because T20 will withdraw as much as they can, and wouldn't want to top up anymore. When that happen, epf fund size will become much smaller and same for their return. End up who getting less dividend from epf?
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Doesn’t mean the size is bigger the returns is bigger πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ in fact smaller funds perform better than bigger size so size doesn’t matter at all it is more on the SAA itself

EPF will never go down because it is forced upon to all legalised employers and employees so there is no way it will go down but up coupled with RM depreciation πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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