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post Feb 25 2023, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(BWassup @ Feb 25 2023, 04:08 PM)
If there was gonna be an increase from 60k to 100k, wouldn't it have to be in the Proposed Budget first? Parliament is only gonna approve what Anwar has proposed in his paper yesterday. How would they be able to insert an additional proposal at the parliament sitting or announce it in fb without it being in the Proposed Budget?

I can't see anything about the 100k in the Touchpoints or in the Star paper either (unless I missed reading it).

So I don't see anything "wrong", and just take it that there isn't gonna be any increase this year.
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Unless he proposed an amendment during the bajet debat then they can change and amend during then but for now what is proposed is already set in stone

To make those changes EPF Act have to be amended hence more headache now because the time is tight for PMX doing things with 3 months to spare πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Feb 25 2023, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Feb 25 2023, 04:43 PM)
Pardon my asking, why should epf act be amended.
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Any changes relating to withdrawal and contribution has to be amended under EPF Act unlike PM8 who abuses the Act with the cover of emergency powers hence the Act is for πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Feb 25 2023, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Feb 25 2023, 05:22 PM)
Saturday passing the time only. I perused the act, actually fast glancing thru only. Nowhere is it mentioned about voluntary contributions and the likes. Maybe i am mistaken. Its statutory contributions that when changed needs amendments. But with the so called covid contributions reduction, i dont recalled such amendments. Again i am not a lawyer...so
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There is under contribution whereby anything above statuary rate of rm1 is covered under the Act which is self contribution and those who opted above statuary rate πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Covid special withdrawals come under Emergency Act hence PM8 abuses power when doing that by using MCO

That is why Anwar is not doing any changes because he knows any structural changes has to go through amendment of an Act which is he trying to reduce it unless it is necessary like the govt procurement Act amendment which is upcoming soon
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post Mar 4 2023, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(sweetpea123 @ Mar 3 2023, 07:26 PM)
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So it's confirmed then. 100k self contribution
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Not confirmed until bajet passed and amend the EPF act πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Mar 4 2023, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Mar 4 2023, 06:13 PM)
So I should wait until bajet passed and EPF act amended then only I can contribute under i-saraan for 2023?
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I-Saraan will stay the same amount contribution as previous years

Only thing you need to wait for bajet is the amount changes which has to be passed and amend the act as well

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2023, 06:32 PM)
for confirmation...

better ask EPF hotline directly...

but personally..
I don't think need to wait for budget approvals...

just dump straightaway  cool2.gif
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No need to wait for bajet unless the amount increase or decrease πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

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post Mar 6 2023, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2023, 10:13 PM)
Yes...
It's lower...

But this year got written losses of investment...
So kinda huge writedown of investment...

That's why...
Need specialist fund manager to manage the shariah portion πŸ’ͺ
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Nothing to do with specialist fund manager πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ as it would cost more instead πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Shariah needs to split out and manage by a new statuary board which will comprise Shariah trustee and advisor hence cost savings rather currently paying outside advisors money



QUOTE(magika @ Mar 6 2023, 11:13 AM)
Brilliant workaround . If PMX had announce it in the budget, he would be susceptible to all round attack. Announced and claim independent decision by board is a great move. Must have studied Sun Tzu Art Of War.
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Nothing brilliant in the 1st place πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ He is just doing it legally based upon EPF Act unlike PM8 and Zafool whose is doing everything without proper procedure in the 1st place
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post Mar 6 2023, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Mar 6 2023, 12:47 PM)
then comes the tier
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Unlikely to have tier this year πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

After the run the Shariah is out to another seperate board next year then it might have tiers because it easier and cleaner to segragrate then
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post Mar 6 2023, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2023, 01:30 PM)
your fav answer...

needed parliament approvals for EPF act changes  tongue.gif
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Not my fav answer πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

But if tier dividends happening there is amendment is needed to be passed because it is affecting guaranteed minimum 2.5% for conventional

Even I have my doubts about them running a separate Shariah division now because the EPF Act is so convulsed with Shariah and Conventional sections

That is why better for EPF to wipe their hands clean and transfer the Shariah to some Islamic statutory board and let manage either PNB or LTH instead of EPF bearing the expenses and added costs yearly πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Mar 6 2023, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2023, 02:20 PM)
2024 or 2025???
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Don’t talk about it because even luxury tax also cannot define properly yet wanna implement next year πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

If they wanna do it will take at least 3 years for it to because it will take it finetuned and studies 1st then only amendment which gonna drag
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post Mar 6 2023, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2023, 06:34 PM)
just be prepared mentally  tongue.gif

so before next GE16 probably
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No need to be prepared mentally as it is out of your control πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

You better off learn to control things that you can like earning more money instead
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post Mar 6 2023, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2023, 06:55 PM)
or invest in Singapore / higher risk assets class  devil.gif
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Why restrict yourself when there is endless opportunities anywhere πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Mar 6 2023, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Mar 6 2023, 11:11 PM)
By that time, there will be other new pressing issues that creep up and this tiered dividend BS will be confined to the closet once again.
The tiered dividends topic only come up in discussions only during the month before the EPF financial results announcements.

Its business as usual.

That being said, its good to have a back up in case it really does happen in future.
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Tier dividends would because it will impact the govt bajet bottomline for development funds πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

All these tier dividends are fishing expedition for vote comes near elections as always
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post Mar 7 2023, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Mar 7 2023, 08:31 AM)
Would EPF save on paying dividends if based on Tier vs Non-Tier ?
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In fact not saving because of back office calculations which involves more work

QUOTE(magika @ Mar 7 2023, 11:06 AM)
Nope. It would be the same.

Looking at ASB tier system, we should not be too worried as the effects is minimal. The only issue as a forumer once said " scarcity mindset " , every small things also we cry father cry mother.
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Remember those who are crying are T20s because they missed out more on the compounding returns πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 7 2023, 11:31 AM)
so will it impact the govt budget bottomline for development funds??
if yes, how does the EPF dividend impact the govt budget bottomline for development fund? EPF Dividend money used for that?
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Won’t have impact because there is a fixed for allocation for MGS πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 11:35 AM)
?????

Have related???

I only know EPF subscribe to MGS...
That's $$$ used for development
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Not related because EPF has fixed allocation on MGS

Which is why when any special withdrawals is happening they have to liquidate the other 50% only and not touch 50% fixed income
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post Mar 7 2023, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 12:18 PM)
well
even after liquidate the other 50%...
EPF still going strong...

thanks to those keep pumping 60k yearly  tongue.gif
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Nothing to do with strong or 60k yearly πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

It is only doing because of RM depreciation from the foreign holdings that they bought since 2013 when they started investing overseas
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post Mar 7 2023, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 12:31 PM)
partly true...

EPF started earlier...
now getting the benefits of weak MYR

60k yearly give $$$ for EPF to invest more...
no effects huh???
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Out of 60k what impact do you think when only 37% of it performing and getting 9.27% return last year while the rest is stagnant πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 01:27 PM)
60k only 1 person....

if multiple by the million...

u gets big scale of $$$...

it's somehow can buffer the rest...

why u think after so much withdrawals....

EPF fund size didn't change much???

and Chinese holdings maintain almost the same??? because support all the way....

4 mil members... but hold like 50% of total.... vs 7mil members hold like 30% or less.... it's numbers game...

now April probably goes up 100k.... more $$$ for EPF....
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The fund size doesn’t change because employers and members are still contributing since all economy sectors has been reopened fully since late 2021 πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

More money doesn’t better for EPF in fact worse because they will take lesser risks and not nimble when the fund is getting bigger hence missed opportunities πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(salad said @ Mar 7 2023, 01:34 PM)
agree. fund size doesnt correlate with better performance
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That is why smaller caps always outperform because able to take risks

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 01:35 PM)
first u says...
60k no make differences...

now u say otherwise...

bigger better... because more $$$...
needed to invest more risky assets & explore new markets... then only give competitive returns...

if not, just dump into FD & get that pathetic rates  tongue.gif
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Read properly did I say otherwise πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

60k will not make any difference YoY unless it has been compounded for more than 10years

Bigger doesn’t mean better because they would not take more risks to invest and lose the money πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

More money to invest to risky markets and explore new markets will cost more hence EPF would not do that πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Go take a look at yourself does EPF buy into new companies IPO in the 1st as they will never do that πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ even investing local startups is now only forced upon by PMX in the latest bajet
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 02:19 PM)
60k don't make difference YoY? U joking right 🀣

Bigger don't take risk?
So smaller only take risk?
What BS is this... Smaller must take safe route... If make risky investment... More effects... Bigger size means less effects...

EPF no buy IPOs? Or starts up?
Please do more research first..... They indeed invest but at small scale... Start when they start explore foreign exchange / investment....

What PMX says in budget is just the continuation... Nothing new....
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You are just turning your head upside and go read about small caps vs big caps πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Nonsense when smaller caps take more risks than bigger caps because bigger means more losses if things go wrong and they cannot take the losses as it will impact the fund size πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

EPF never do startups or IPOs because the risks incurred in their fund πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and most their foreign holdings are in REITs as the biggest holding is the biggest shopping centre in Poland πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ you should do more research instead of insinuating and starting rumours like your so called non existent source πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2023, 02:31 PM)
What nonsense u taking about this small cap big cap...

We talking about EPF...
Not some random company....

U says bigger must take less risk... Investment in Bonds / safe place.... So now u saying otherwise???

EPF never do startup??
Yeah right.... And Individual can get new banking license nowadays from BNM πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ€£ πŸ˜†
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EPF is big cap fund πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and remember their mandate is for social responsibility hence risk averse πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Seriously you should study their SAA strategy before starting up rumours on as their AA is clear guided by their mandate and there is no major deviation in place unlike other statuary investment board like Khazanah which are able to take risks
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QUOTE(Kopistall @ Mar 9 2023, 04:27 PM)
Not gonna self contribute any more this year. 5.35% is ridiculously low. Next year could be worst
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With the current BNM Governor in place it will gonna get worst for RM so it might double edge sword πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Just put it bare minimum and invest the best currency stocks now πŸ‘

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