Hi, all. I will finish my bachelor in civil engineering this year. Just curious, what is the range of salary for fresh civil engineer ? I prefer to work at office ? I heard that those who grad with 1st class honour will get better starting salary, am i right ? Can engineer tell your salary here?

Bachelor?

Rm2k to rm2.5k?

Civil engineering should be base on site.

This post has been edited by magnesium: Feb 24 2019, 06:30 PM

Different company different range...
But basically its from 2k till 3.2k 🙏

only up to 2.5k , that is too low I am expecting at least a rm2.5k

site engineer ? or consultant engineer ?

Heavy industries need engineer who has experience at site. Prefer to work in office? Don't over estimate for starting pay.

strawberry generation don't know what work is.....

If you're based in office, you would be working consultant job, designing and rushing drawings until late night just to beat deadlines.

site engineers, you basically have the same shitty hours, but get to watch every go up in front of your eyes.

Either way, project delivery>>>>>>> "work-life balance"

I know the site working condition , but i couldnt stand it. During the intern period, I was based at site. It's great to see that everything grow in front of eyes. But, the pay of consultant engineer really lower ah ?

Probably between rm2.5k to rm3k for fresh grad.

Is there any site which i can check the salary range of fresh grad ?

pay is roughly the same.

working hours is going to be your problem.

jobstreet....

I can safely tell you, most of my friends are earning the higher range of 2.5k-3k when working as engineer.

It's just whether you will like the type of work and hours involved.

When i worked at site last time, there was a lot of OT. Consultant also the same ?

same, if got project.
If no project, you go home 9-5 sharp or dont even have to show up.
OT cannot claim, usually because you are "executive"

Hi,

Civil engineers works at site pays much hire than working in the office. My company pays for fresh graduate RM3k. If working everyday in site +RM300 allowance. No OT though.

same with my previous company , no OT claim working at site

I plan to work in consultant firm , which type of company should I go to ? Those big company or shall i start with small firm first ? Since I have 0 experience, I wish to learn as much as I can in the short time

I wouldn't hire you if you say that.

why ? haha Just asking opinion, which type of company should I join first ? I just want to learn and gain some useful experience first

https://www.kellyservices.com.my/employment...nd-salary-guide

Might give some guide on salary scale. Anyway, dont be too choosy as the job market is hard these days. If you can land anything close to rm3k, take it. Learn for few years in whatever company, and you will gain more leverage for your next career. Just make sure you dont run away from engineering as it might be hard to come back to it in future.

Wrong thing to say.

The correct way is to jump jump jump...

I guess because it sounds like you are going to leave after you had learn something.

Spot on!!

working at sites better la bro, can see lot of different things that you will not see in your life...better income too....i mean normally site ppl got different kind of side incomes.

I have switched from being on site in O&G, construction field, design in O&G, manufacturing, and now in IT. My opinion to you is to test the water, irrelevant to what others say and as you progress, you will know what you want in your career. Just focus on getting your first job and progress from there. If you are lucky, you will get into a superb M&C paying RM3.5k a month, if you are joining Ah Seng Construction Sdn Bhd, you may end up with a RM2.5k a month. So it all depends.

Thanks for sharing. Are you also in engineering practice? My inexperienced self didn't know that we could switch to so very different fields. I am also a fresh currently working in O&M field... thinking of what line I could go to next.

Yeah I used to be, and then I stopped being an engineer altogether and decided to go for big data field. Some soft skills are definitely transferable.

I plan to learn things and gain new experiences... Should I join small firm first so that I can learn better? My uncle advised me to join those big company as I have good cgpa now... But really not sure now...

I have to say that I am not those outgoing type of people, I think consultant job suits me better

Yea, sure for now. . I plan to jump after few years of experiences.... But I really what's goin to happen in the future....

Depends on your personality. If you are driven and you will not mind working 14 hours a day doing a 4 man job, then join a small firm first. If you are more towards work life balance and want benefits and not overwork, then join a big one. But do remember, big firms look better in resume.

Not outgoing? How are you going to be a consultant? How are you going to consult if you are not outgoing?

This post has been edited by Harry_Bobinski: Feb 26 2019, 01:47 PM

Joining small firm will learn more? Is it true?

Learn more only because you will be stressed to. 14 hours a day, sometimes work weekends. Some small firms will not acknowledge Deepavali as a holiday (if no Indian working there) and will give you only 11 days of stipulated public holiday.

No short cut in engineering, starting pay is shit. Nobody wanna pay a fresh grad high salary when they have to teach the fresh grad the knowledge they need to climb the ladder.

Your money only comes in later when you have acquired enough skills to be an engineer. REAL ENGINEER. Not the i'm an engineer cos i have a degree in engineering.

Can you describe what defines a real engineer? I want to know what can I do to build myself up to it.

Normally , how long would i take for the HR for the candidate to respond for the job reply ? Actually i applied for many company during intern and I gt several offer.... I feel sorry to decline the offer last time. Do i need to make up my mind now whether joining big company or small company? Or i can apply for many jobs at the same time ? Maybe i gt several job offer and choose small firm to start my career , But i maybe joining those big company next time...I dont want the HR to ''blacklist'' me ...

just join any company that has a project that interest you......you talk 5 weeks on forum won't help you in securing any job.

This one very dangerous.....
Like who can be called a doctor or what is the strength of a piece of steel, they are very technical.

The title Engineer can only be hold by someone with a degree recognised by BEM

No....the degree don't qualify you as an engineer. That gives you the entry level to be a graduate engineer...you still have to hone your skills and learn the trades. These things are not taught in University.

When you enter the job, look for some Professional Engineer from the same field as you do and ask him to be your mentor. Of course, get someone good, so that you can learn to be the best.

No company will hire you if you ever say this...

Big company is normally for people who seek for laid back environment, especially for fresh graduate. Because the projects or any being assigned is split as according the skill set. You would most probably end up become a support type engineer until you managed to be independent without the need or least of supervision. There is no shortcut.

Small company is preferred their candidate to be 'Can Do' type. Because they are well independent and able to manage multiple projects by themselves. A well manage time management can survive this, otherwise you will end up being a joker within the company.

Nope, you cannot be consultant if you are not those outgoing type of people. And, a consultant required experience up to 3-5 years or your learning experience that is consider on par with any seniors. Consultant required high knowledge of such technologies being used, understanding the flows that is used in the minimal provided time frame and provide support for your clients.

There is no shortcuts. Don't think of how you gonna be like in your future, it's not gonna happen if you don't improve at present. I not trying to be harsh but by experienced. Any certificates you have are all just for decoration despite Degree holder, Master holder etc, they are nothing, because a true employer will only judge as per your learning experience and not certificate or working experience.

As mentioned, assume the candidate A with 5 years of "Working experience" vs the candidate B with 2 years of "Learning experience". I bet you can't see what are the differences between them. You can laid back, slack or anything that counts as "Working experience", and the quality product that delivered is low is still count as "working experience". A learning experience that is to judge a candidate that has the value to deliver quality of products within the shortest time frame possible, by bring a good profit revenue to the employer despite the candidate with lower duration experience.

The example above is how you should be like in future. For now, i would advise you, regardless any amount your receive whether or not high or low. You will need to have a positive thinking mindset, a fresh graduate is like a blank paper, any learning is your experiences, so start from there. Once you have the skill set that you think that you are good to go, that is where you can seek what you actually want in future.

You got skills, but no education background also, BEM wont let you legally call yourself Engineer.

That's my point. I understand you're trying to make a point about people who flaunt a piece of paper without any other technical knowledge to back them up.

Yes, the 1st step is the basic qualification to pass as graduate engineer. Degree from accredited university.

Hi, thanks for ur advice ....Back to the point, which type of company can enable me to learn better ? It seems that if i work in a big company , i have limited things to learn since you said that i will be assigned to certain part of project only, am i right ?

Legally you're right.

In real life, companies couldn't give a flying f**k as long as you can complete a project at agreed price.

Depends on what kind of company. If consultancy, that's necessary. If you cannot be recognized by BEM, you cannot endorse engineering drawings. No use

U will still learn, differently. And also depends on your willingness to spend more time to learn beyond your assigned task.

with current economic, best to go with the flow...beggar can't be chooser.

it looks like after yew years of experience, the salary is actually quite promising as I think, but i couldnt find the salary for fresh grad btw.

Deepavali holidsy not complusary lah..

Complusary is Agung..Labour...National and State Holiday...
The rest can pick .

LOL That's where you're not so correct.

No, that's where you are wrong.
If you cannot register with BEM, no consultancy will let you do any design work.
Without BEM recognition, you cannot get Ir. , thus your career will only be stuck at draughtsmen at most, not even engineer in consultancy.

Site work, you can still do things, but again, you cannot get Ir. title, thus your pay grade is also limited in that sense.
Maybe you can get into management position, but the official title of manager may not get to you.

I'm way way way beyond that already.

are you Ir. or not?
If not, my point still holds.

Not saying a good foreman can't go far in a big steel company, but there will be legal limitations on what you can do, especially in the professional field if your education background is not up to a certain standard.

I most certainly am not, will never be, and do not want to be.

But under me, I have completed hundreds of projects worth millions.

Furthermore I am in a position to make or break many a graduate's dream to be one.

Your point is still faulty.

This post has been edited by ipohmali70: Feb 27 2019, 09:02 PM

my welders also worked and completed hundreds of millions worth of projects la.
my point is (some, heck most) companies will have requirements for their management to hold certain qualifications, some even funding them to get a MBA.

I've never said that you can't succeed with a mere welder's qualification, but having a degree or professional certification will give you an edge when it comes to climbing the corporate ladder.
Also, my original point, legally, you can't call yourself a lawyer, doctor, engineer without proper education, even if the doctor's job is to just poke at you with a stick.

I get your point is that an experienced uneducated staff is better than an inexperienced educated freshie, but what are you even arguing about that when TS already graduated with a degree in civil engineering?

Point is, I am not an engineer and never claim to be one.

No argument there.

Peace to all and all the best to TS.

How you want to learn complex when you cannot understand ABC? You got no knowledge now, so you cannot choose. And doesn't mean the company wants you even if you want the company.

You can try, no harm to try. Limited or not, they are still experience.

I can choose the type of company that i want to start my career first, right ? I just want to know that which type of company can enable me to learn more.... I actually gt several offer during my internship, and I feel sorry to turn down the offer one by one... Maybe i shall change my 'strategy' now, applying the type of company that i am interested. Not like last time applying many company at the same time ....

rm3k gua

You are coming from a different point of view. Yes, money can be earn from many ways.

TS is asking about the route as an engineer...

When should i start to apply for jobs ? I am about to finish my study in July this year. Is it too early to apply now ?

Did you have to take a pay cut to make the switch?

I start searching after my unofficial result came out. if you are really bright student, the offer come even before u finish your final

Can start applying with your current grades/certs/qualifications. Just make sure to include expected graduation date in your CV.

Nope but I got only RM200 increment and additional one month of contractual bonus lol

Hmm, You can choose them as you see fit. I will give you some tips

1. Big company - Name is known and easy to get offer after you think that is enough for you to improve where you are lacking. You can get what you want to learn from here, step by step. Even though you might become a support or assistant before you are fully becoming a independent, this is a good place for you to grow your career.

2. Small Company - Name is not known unless well known branches. This place is a fast pace working, and the boss of the company is expected you have a solid skill contribute to the company, meaning they expect you to independent with the most least supervision. You will need to act and make decision without someone willing to babysit you all the time.

Big company helps you in term of learning curve, you can take your sweet time in this company to learn something. Of course there are a time that you need to rush for deadline project.

Small company helps you to sharpen your skill by act independently. Train your time management and also stress level, so that you wouldn't be surprise once you hop to another company work while under pressure.

Aside, you can apply as many company at the same time, no harm or no need feel sorry for them. They know you nothing, they treat you nobody, and you are nobody for them too. Of course, you can apply more than 50 applications at the same time, and choose the most suitable out from them. One after another interview, you gain experience of what the company goals and objectives. You can decide from there.

If you apply only 1 or 2 while you are feeling sorry for them, you ain't gonna get a job very soon. Because the time you are waiting for their evaluate during your interview is wasting time. And you do not know what is the result in the end of the day.

Normally, I would take 1 week waiting, after that you can treat the result as failure if still no answer given from the particular employer. You can follow up to them to ask for updates too.

That's pretty decent changing to a new field.

how about stop looking at the pay when choosing what to do, especially when u are just fresh grad, no experience and no commitments.

Do what is best for you, know what you want and go get it.

If the position like pays you rm2.5k per month, you will last much longer compared to being in the position that you don't like for RM4k per month.

unofficial result of last sem? Is it too late ?

Big company ? I am afraid there is less chance of getting promoted ? Some ppl told that i should work and learn in small company first, then only jump to big company with few years of experiences, is it true ?

I would say 1-2 month before you complete your study/getting official result. It will take about 2 weeks in average to get an interview if your cv makes the cut and you pass the initial screening (phone interview, online assessment,etc). The selection process differs from one company to another so i advise you to spend some time research about the job scope and company that you want to apply for. Program like the management trainee/associate or any sort of graduate program from large company usually involves rigorous process with multiple stages so it could take up to more than a month to two.

Do take note of the job posting as well because some company will state if the job would require you to commence at certain month. You don't want to waste your time or theirs in interview if they're urgent in filling up a particular vacancy but you haven't made yourself available to work due to study.

ok, then. I shall wait for another 2 months before start sending out my job application

if your results is excellent, you can try.
I prefer to have proven documents with me prior iv.

I wish to apply before the final exam, then, when should i start applying ? is 3 / 4 months before completion of study considered too early ?

most of the friend i know under civil engineering ended up becoming IT programmer or other IT related job
reason?
environment issue
pollution issue
allergic issue
work life issue
time management issue
stress issue
money issue

if you have the passion and knowing your direction and what you wanna achieve....then go ahead and endures it
if you just go out there holding a paper and hope for the best...good luck, you might end up crying everyday looking for help to cope stress

Haha. May I know how to jump from civil engineering to IT without any experience in programming whatsover ?

i x know man, they just went it there and adapt those shit
when i heard about that switches, i am also wondering like you on how the heck they did it or even get those job at the first place
but believe me...they are still doing it up til today and its fully office based...hahaha

Wanna stay office, i think go consultancy. Higher percentage of office works

If you like to work in the office then engineering is not the line for you.

i prefer design more than staying at site at the whole day Go to site once in awhile should be ok for me

This post has been edited by pw8799: Mar 2 2019, 09:43 AM

Not for you to decide willy nilly.

Circumstances and pressure will dictate.

Forgt to ask. Is it necessary to include expected salary in the resume for fresh grad ?

No, you don't have power to command.

in any case they will have a box to fill in the application form.

If the salary I placed is too high , will the interviewer keep me out of their consideration straight away ?

Depends on company.. but personal experience says yes.

I have a colleague who applied for a job online, put 10k expected salary, the company never call. Update his profile there put 9k expected salary straight away got a call within a week.

I thought the interviewer will screen the candidates according to the qualifications and capabilities and call them for interview rather than just expected salary ?

Be ready to get scold. Ppl very rough in this field.

I'm ready

no, because they already have a number for fresh grad. they will just offer u. take it or leave it

If i purposely put low expected salary to get the chance of interview, but once I gt the offer, can I still nego with them ?

This post has been edited by pw8799: Mar 4 2019, 10:08 AM

as per my experience with banking, even if you put 1000 as your expected, they will still offer what they have set for you.

but why put low salary just to score an interview?

If anything, I'd say low celery means you have low self confidence, hence a pushover at work, thus cannot deal with outsiders.

OR even worse, low celery = low skilled, meaning I have just fired another quota filling idiot.

Just put the "market norm" la.
Honestly, I've never landed a job where I lowball my celery.

2500 to 3000 should be ok?

So they wouldn't care the salary you put? I am wondering if all fresh grad in the same company will get same salary? All different? I also heard that those who scored first class honor tend to get higher salary?

Anywhere is the same, chances of getting promote is very slim at anywhere other than start up company. Climbing in corporate world is very competitive, because there are too many other staffs who are the same level with you. You will need to be something so unique than other, let your boss recognize and acknowledge your skill so that it will be easy for you to climb. I am one of them, 1 year+ in corporate, now trainee to be manager. If you believe you can do, you can do it.

I understand the world trend and technologies are. Teenager tend to use the remaining time so called "Work life balance" to enjoy their entertainment and so on, same goes for families. Once you set your goals and objectives, there is no excuses. This is depends on the person's individual whether they are passionate, initiative and hardworking on an objective.

Nobody can help you any further, at most I can give you advise. Otherwise, you can have your own policy, every 2 years hop one company to gain additional knowledge that your company cannot provide this opportunity to you. Although there are companies who willing to provide these opportunity, however these would be more or less dealing what the company's aim, but not your individual objective. Don't be afraid, you not try yet you never know.

Let me ask you, what will you see yourself in 5 years time?