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badguy93
post Feb 27 2019, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 25 2019, 10:37 PM)
I plan to work in consultant firm , which type of company should I go to ? Those big company or shall i start with small firm first ? Since I have 0 experience, I wish to learn as much as I can in the short time
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No company will hire you if you ever say this...

QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 26 2019, 01:26 PM)
I plan to learn things and gain new experiences... Should I join small firm first so that I can learn better? My uncle advised me to join those big company as I have good cgpa now... But really not sure now...
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Big company is normally for people who seek for laid back environment, especially for fresh graduate. Because the projects or any being assigned is split as according the skill set. You would most probably end up become a support type engineer until you managed to be independent without the need or least of supervision. There is no shortcut.

Small company is preferred their candidate to be 'Can Do' type. Because they are well independent and able to manage multiple projects by themselves. A well manage time management can survive this, otherwise you will end up being a joker within the company.

QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 26 2019, 01:27 PM)
I have to say that I am not those outgoing type of people, I think consultant job suits me better
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Nope, you cannot be consultant if you are not those outgoing type of people. And, a consultant required experience up to 3-5 years or your learning experience that is consider on par with any seniors. Consultant required high knowledge of such technologies being used, understanding the flows that is used in the minimal provided time frame and provide support for your clients.

QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 26 2019, 01:29 PM)
Yea, sure for now. . I plan to jump after few years of experiences.... But I really what's goin to happen in the future....
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There is no shortcuts. Don't think of how you gonna be like in your future, it's not gonna happen if you don't improve at present. I not trying to be harsh but by experienced. Any certificates you have are all just for decoration despite Degree holder, Master holder etc, they are nothing, because a true employer will only judge as per your learning experience and not certificate or working experience.

As mentioned, assume the candidate A with 5 years of "Working experience" vs the candidate B with 2 years of "Learning experience". I bet you can't see what are the differences between them. You can laid back, slack or anything that counts as "Working experience", and the quality product that delivered is low is still count as "working experience". A learning experience that is to judge a candidate that has the value to deliver quality of products within the shortest time frame possible, by bring a good profit revenue to the employer despite the candidate with lower duration experience.

The example above is how you should be like in future. For now, i would advise you, regardless any amount your receive whether or not high or low. You will need to have a positive thinking mindset, a fresh graduate is like a blank paper, any learning is your experiences, so start from there. Once you have the skill set that you think that you are good to go, that is where you can seek what you actually want in future.


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post Feb 28 2019, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 27 2019, 05:10 PM)
Hi, thanks for ur advice thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif  ....Back to the point, which type of company can enable me to learn better ? It seems that if i work in a big company , i have limited things to learn since you said that i will be assigned to certain part of project only, am i right ?
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How you want to learn complex when you cannot understand ABC? You got no knowledge now, so you cannot choose. And doesn't mean the company wants you even if you want the company. brows.gif

You can try, no harm to try. Limited or not, they are still experience.
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post Mar 1 2019, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Feb 28 2019, 07:29 AM)
I can choose the type of company that i want to start my career first, right ? I just want to know that which type of company can enable me to learn more.... I actually gt several offer during my internship, and I feel sorry to turn down the offer one by one... Maybe i shall change my 'strategy' now, applying the type of company that i am interested. Not like last time applying many company at the same time .... nod.gif
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Hmm, You can choose them as you see fit. I will give you some tips

1. Big company - Name is known and easy to get offer after you think that is enough for you to improve where you are lacking. You can get what you want to learn from here, step by step. Even though you might become a support or assistant before you are fully becoming a independent, this is a good place for you to grow your career.

2. Small Company - Name is not known unless well known branches. This place is a fast pace working, and the boss of the company is expected you have a solid skill contribute to the company, meaning they expect you to independent with the most least supervision. You will need to act and make decision without someone willing to babysit you all the time.

Big company helps you in term of learning curve, you can take your sweet time in this company to learn something. Of course there are a time that you need to rush for deadline project.

Small company helps you to sharpen your skill by act independently. Train your time management and also stress level, so that you wouldn't be surprise once you hop to another company work while under pressure.

Aside, you can apply as many company at the same time, no harm or no need feel sorry for them. They know you nothing, they treat you nobody, and you are nobody for them too. Of course, you can apply more than 50 applications at the same time, and choose the most suitable out from them. One after another interview, you gain experience of what the company goals and objectives. You can decide from there.

If you apply only 1 or 2 while you are feeling sorry for them, you ain't gonna get a job very soon. Because the time you are waiting for their evaluate during your interview is wasting time. And you do not know what is the result in the end of the day.

Normally, I would take 1 week waiting, after that you can treat the result as failure if still no answer given from the particular employer. You can follow up to them to ask for updates too.


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post Mar 4 2019, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 1 2019, 01:51 PM)
Big company ? I am afraid there is less chance of getting promoted ? Some ppl told that i should work and learn in small company first, then only jump to big company with few years of experiences, is it true ?  rclxub.gif
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Anywhere is the same, chances of getting promote is very slim at anywhere other than start up company. Climbing in corporate world is very competitive, because there are too many other staffs who are the same level with you. You will need to be something so unique than other, let your boss recognize and acknowledge your skill so that it will be easy for you to climb. I am one of them, 1 year+ in corporate, now trainee to be manager. If you believe you can do, you can do it.

I understand the world trend and technologies are. Teenager tend to use the remaining time so called "Work life balance" to enjoy their entertainment and so on, same goes for families. Once you set your goals and objectives, there is no excuses. This is depends on the person's individual whether they are passionate, initiative and hardworking on an objective.

Nobody can help you any further, at most I can give you advise. Otherwise, you can have your own policy, every 2 years hop one company to gain additional knowledge that your company cannot provide this opportunity to you. Although there are companies who willing to provide these opportunity, however these would be more or less dealing what the company's aim, but not your individual objective. Don't be afraid, you not try yet you never know.

Let me ask you, what will you see yourself in 5 years time?
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post Mar 4 2019, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 3 2019, 12:10 PM)
If the salary I placed is too high , will the interviewer keep me out of their consideration straight away ?
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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 4 2019, 02:10 PM)
2500 to 3000 should be ok?
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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 4 2019, 02:12 PM)
So they wouldn't care the salary you put? I am wondering if all fresh grad in the same company will get same salary? All different? I also heard that those who scored first class honor tend to get higher salary?
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Just put whatever salary you think is suitable, you may tell them that is a negotiable if they think that is too high for you. You can negotiate with them, but you need a condition to do this following, they are expecting you to have a skill that they are satisfy, otherwise don't do lol, its risky.

When you put too low salary just for the sake of them calling you, you better give up. They see you have no confidence in yourself. Normally i will do "Hantam saja, scare what" ? Anyhow, you need to have a unique skill set that they will satisfy at the end of the interview, otherwise try at your own risk. You can also do observation and learn from mistake for every of the company you interview.
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post Mar 5 2019, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 4 2019, 09:10 PM)
I'm wondering the extra few hundred ringgit for first class hons holder is applicable for all types of company? or big company only ?
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Every people can improve, regardless of grades. Some people has certain limit of improvement and some will keep growing until impossible level. A few hundred Ringgit doesn't do much when you don't have any value in the relevant field.

QUOTE(victorian @ Mar 4 2019, 09:16 PM)
Don’t ask too many questions. Once you get into the real world you will know.
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You sounds like, must be some evil HR out there. brows.gif

QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 4 2019, 09:18 PM)
I'm worried that its too late to know  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 5 2019, 07:56 AM)
Bro, when did you start to apply for job last time ? I plan to apply now, but I'm afraid that's too early. I'm about to finish my studies in July  rclxub.gif I'm worried that the interviewer will just put aside the resume first without looking at it since there're still about 4 months to go.
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From what i understand your situation, you are very desperate for a job, you are scared to face the real world. You are afraid there is no job for you after your graduation. There is a lot of opportunity, so don't be picky. For now, just take anything as your learning knowledge, if you are so concern with your salary while you are a 'FRESH-GRADUATED', then good luck in your findings. Like i mentioned, there is no such thing of high salary as well as maximize your learning in a company, what skill would you contribute to the company in order to have them get back what they have invested into you?

Remember, They don't pay you to their industry to learn. They pay you to expect something in return. If your mindset stays like that for months, you will expect your end from that company very soon. bruce.gif

Even for me, I wouldn't hire my candidate with learning purpose and low confidence. So yeah, put aside of your worry and concentrate what you suppose to do. All these nonsense thought will just get in your way. Best of luck.
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post Mar 6 2019, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 6 2019, 09:08 AM)
Is it possible to reject the offer once I agreed to join them? Let's say i already received an job offer from a company and i accepted it. But, after that, i gt better job offer from another company ... Then how ? Is it ok to reject the first company that offer me the job ?
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If your offer letter did not mentioned that you cannot revert back upon signed and submit then should be no problem.
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post Mar 8 2019, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 8 2019, 02:01 PM)
Besides jobstreet, any other job application platform for job seeker in Malaysia?
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Monster, linkdn
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post Mar 14 2019, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 14 2019, 03:15 PM)
is it too late ?  rclxub.gif But some companies actually invited me for interview now btw.  hmm.gif
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you will end up get the same result from the hr ... 'its too soon'
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post Mar 14 2019, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(pw8799 @ Mar 14 2019, 03:52 PM)
haha, then why they asked me for interview ?  hmm.gif
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Company urgently need people, they will need you to start once your exam is over ... alternatively, they will KIV you..

 

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