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 ILLEGEAR Selenite Discussion Thread V1, world’s first 17.3” bezel-less laptop

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SaiyanGoku
post Mar 20 2020, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(YVONNE@ILLEGEAR @ Mar 5 2020, 03:14 PM)
Hi, you may try to reset back the undervolt back to factory default  -50mV.
Overtime the undervolt setting get unstable which might cause random BSOD on the system.
Do try to reinstall all the drivers from our support page to avoid is driver conflict from windows updates
Do let us know if there is any improvement.
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Updating drivers did nothing. I disabled Page file and that seems to have solved the issue for now. Still using the same -120 mV undervolt.
I checked how well my laptop was repasted with Kryonaut and as expected, it didn't look good (check the attachment) bruce.gif . Kryonaut pumping out won't be this clean.

As for reported battery life, it is 7 hours now. rclxm9.gif



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SaiyanGoku
post May 20 2020, 11:11 PM

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My battery has swollen even though I rarely use the laptop on battery. It has been about 10 months since my purchase.
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post May 21 2020, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(AZIM@ILLEGEAR @ May 21 2020, 05:49 AM)
May I also know if you have notified our Support Team? In regards to this matter, I would recommend for you to consult our Support Line directly as well for easier communication regarding the rectification procedure by using the contact number below:

018-261 8599 (WhatsApp)
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Yes Azim, I've notified them.
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post May 21 2020, 09:31 PM

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Those who have Selenite with 2060 and 9750H, could you please measure power draw without battery (HWInfo or Afterburner)? I have tried running multiple benchmarks and games without battery plugged in and I keep getting Power Limit throttling and GPU never goes above 30W even on turbo mode (no settings applied, stock V-F curve and no undervolt).
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post May 21 2020, 09:39 PM

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post May 22 2020, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ May 21 2020, 07:09 PM)
Update:

Took me almost 6 hours but somehow I fixed it, I think. Had to try with multiple Intel and nvidia driver versions. There is no GPU PL throttling observed for now but I am running the laptop on direct power without a battery.

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post May 22 2020, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(pluginbaby @ May 22 2020, 05:59 PM)
What's your power profile. Is it gaming or equilibrium. Is whisper mode enabled in GeForce Experience?
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It is Balanced mode, with both whisper mode and battery boost set to off in GeForce Experience. I don't even know why the issue was there. I only removed the battery and that shouldn't have mattered. I began to think there might be some problem in power adapter or the motherboard.


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post May 23 2020, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ May 22 2020, 05:56 PM)
Update:

Took me almost 6 hours but somehow I fixed it, I think. Had to try with multiple Intel and nvidia driver versions. There is no GPU PL throttling observed for now but I am running the laptop on direct power without a battery.
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Okay, so I don't know how and why but Power Limit throttling is back bangwall.gif bangwall.gif bangwall.gif

I did restart the laptop but it didn't change anything. Seriously getting frustrated with this bad experience. vmad.gif

I did some more testing (for about 3 hours) and found out that Power Limit throttling issue gets "fixed" after using DDU, doing a restart and then re-installing latest nvidia driver (445.87). This is a temporary fix as it doesn't survives a restart or power on after hibernation.

Illegear should work with ODM and get this issue fixed ASAP (via a BIOS or firmware update). I am unaware if mine is an isolated incident but as a customer I shouldn't have to face this.

Note: Laptop is working on direct AC power without the battery plugged in because it has swollen and needs a replacement.
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post May 25 2020, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 25 2020, 11:56 AM)
Hi SaiyanGoku

It's not related to BIOS/firmware, and it's normal for performance throttle after removing battery from the machine, and the throttle would be fixed after you get the battery replacement. Your laptop is still covered under 2 year carry-in warranty so kindly send in your laptop  and we will replace the battery. Thanks!.
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So, are you saying a 230W power adapter is unable to supply full power to laptop but a 4100 mAh battery does? Why does the issue gets temporarily fixed after re-installing driver but comes back after restart?
What am I missing here?
As for the battery replacement, if I could send it, I would've already instead of asking for your support. :|
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post May 25 2020, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(YVONNE@ILLEGEAR @ May 25 2020, 03:35 PM)
Most of our models required the present of both the charger and battery in order for the laptop to perform optimally.
The laptop CPU will perform relative same with or without the battery but the GPU clock and memory speed will decreases due the motherboard power delivery designed required both charger and battery power supply to operate efficiently.
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Could you check this with ODM? That's not how it should work. Battery should be treated as a backup option and not primary power source for the GPU.
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post May 27 2020, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(alexnvidia @ May 27 2020, 05:55 PM)
this is the problem with companies like illegear. their support is basically limited to send in ONLY. No matter how much evidence you provided over the phone, email, whatsapp, even video, they will not entertain you other than you sending in your laptop. They will give you a bunch of reasons like they need to check the laptop, they dont want you to damage the laptop etc. But basically what what they meant were you don't know what you are doing, you are not qualified to service their laptop and they dont trust you at all. Which is why i really hate support from companies like this. sending in your laptop means you are without a laptop to use for days or weeks and there is no guarantee you'll get your laptop back problem free. Trust goes both ways and unfortunately, not all their support staff knows what they are doing. In the end, if the issues are not serious and you need to use your laptop, you'll have NO choice but to live with the problems.
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There are no international flights from India till further notice because of Govt order. I found that DHL and FedEx can ship Li-Ion batteries if properly packed (gave references to support team) and I am ready to pay shipping for it. They shouldn't have any problem sending it. unsure.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif

QUOTE(alexnvidia @ May 27 2020, 06:06 PM)
Unfortunately, illegear support staff is right about this. most ODM use this trick to save money on PSU. Rather than supplying us with a bigger PSU, they reduced the PSU size and use the battery instead to provide the extra juice when the PSU is not supplying enough power. In your case, you laptop could be drawing 240W-250W during gaming but the PSU is only rated for 230W, so the extra power is provided by the battery. This is why sometimes after a gaming session you will notice your battery discharged and depending on how long you game, it can discharge 10-15% or more. They have a fancy name for it like "hybrid power source" but it's just a marketing term to reduce cost.

You can read more about it here
https://www.asus.com/me-en/support/FAQ/1039026/

So you might not realize it, but if you game a lot, your battery is also under a lot of stress. Example, if your battery is only lightly discharged to 95% after a gaming session, it will charge back that 5% after that. and we all know that battery is under a lot of stress when it's trickle charging at the last 10-20% which explains why your battery got swollen up. in fact, if you take note, a lot of times after you shut down the laptop and go to sleep with battery at 100% charged, the next day when you power on, the laptop will start to trickle charge again (lost 1-2% charge doing nothing) even though it was completely shut down the night before. This is just one of the several annoyances we have to live with this particular laptop.
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In my case, battery never got discharged during gaming. It was always at 100%. And yes, I used to loose that 1-2% after a cold boot.


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post May 28 2020, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(alexnvidia @ May 28 2020, 07:57 PM)
Yes it's clear and I appreciate you guys work with ODM to prevent future problems but it does not solve anything on the user side, does it? Owners are still faced with lengthy RMA process leaving us with no laptop to use.

What you do with the defective parts and how you deal with ODM is your back end process. What i'm suggesting is you should come up with solutions to better serve customers, putting customers first instead and reduce customer downtime. Your customers paid a lot of money and expect equally good experience within the warranty period. Speaking of experience, the software (apps, drivers, bios and firmware) support side of thing leaves a lot to be desired too.

And from the looks of it, illegear has international customers as well but has no support to service those customers. This is something you guys might want to explore or expand into.
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Regarding the driver updates, there is no way to know which driver is latest and when it was released if we check the driver download page. I'm thinking to look into driver updates by other OEMs who use same chassis because of this. :|
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post May 29 2020, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 28 2020, 09:26 PM)
We always try our best to do more than what we committed in the warranty and that's why we offered a new battery for Saiyangoku without having him to send back to faulty one.
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While that is great of you to try but shipping standalone damaged lithium battery is completely prohibited. Airlines, customs, shipper might allow new one but everyone of them would refuse faulty pieces.
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post Jun 1 2020, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(gigigigi99 @ May 31 2020, 08:06 PM)
I thought illegear laptop very good on thermal cooling ? how come still need still need cooling pad ? shocking.gif  icon_question.gif
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Only purpose cooling pad can have for this is to lift the bottom enough for vents to get unblocked. I did notice a big drop in temperature if it is used in AC room vs non-AC or fan room. Currently using Noctua NT-H1 because I was disappointed by inadequate application of Kryonaut and its performance as a result of it.
Something like this stand works just as fine:
https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Adjustable-.../dp/B07F778L16/

BTW, I am using 4 empty tic-tac boxes under laptop feet as what we call "Jugaad" in India for the same purpose.
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post Jun 2 2020, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ May 30 2020, 10:33 AM)
Can i have your serial number too?
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Is windows 10 version 2004 update safe to install on Selenite with 2060/9750H? Could you please share the full size logo or your OEM windows iso image (without license)? I would like to retain that logo and other OEM vendor info in Control Panel -> System after doing a fresh install.

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post Jun 3 2020, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Jun 2 2020, 10:29 PM)
Hi Saiyan,

Do you mean this logo?

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Yes Prince, I meant that logo (the new one is also good icon_rolleyes.gif ). I can add it to my own windows iso.

BTW, could you ask the ODM about the possibility to make a 92Wh battery for Selenite (upgrade from 63Wh) like the Selenite Pro? Selenite chassis has enough empty space even after removing the 2.5" drive bay.

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post Jun 4 2020, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Jun 4 2020, 05:11 PM)
Will try to get the logo for you.

We tried but the selenite battery just doesn't fit the screw holes.
FAE told me there is a new EC / BIOS for alexnvidia ID-S machine to fix the power draw. Can you pm me your SN to see if yours is the same as alexnvidia??
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Leave the screws, what about physical dimension? Does 92 Wh battery fits inside the chassis and charges? Also, is there any bios/ec update for Selenite?
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post Jun 28 2020, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Jun 22 2020, 04:57 PM)
Please flash the latest EC and BIOS from below link
https://support.illegear.com/Drivers/Laptop...2_FlashUtil.zip

Do note that during the flashing process be sure you are not working on anything. MAKE SURE YOU ARE PLUGGED IN WITH CHARGER source.
Open the F.bat in the Afuwin64 folder to process flashing the Bios and it will restart and enter bios few times.
After successfully flashed and entered into desktop, open the F.bat in the Afuwin64cap folder to proceed flashing and updating the EC.
Do note that during the flashing process the laptop will reboot few times, be sure to plug in the charger during the flashing process.

10th Gen. Command Center Update (Except IONIC and ARES)
https://support.illegear.com/Drivers/Laptop...32_ILLEGEAR.zip
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Any BIOS, driver, etc update for 9th gen Selenite? Could you work with ODM to make defect free >90 Whr battery for it?
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post Jun 29 2020, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Jun 28 2020, 09:31 PM)
Hi amir, can i have your BIOS/EC versions?
Latest bios for selenite 9th gen is

Bios N.1.54 and EC 2.09.09

Kindly check if you are on this version.
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MsInfo32 says they are Bios N.1.53 and EC 2.07

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post Jul 1 2020, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Jun 30 2020, 10:59 PM)
Few months ago my selenite's keyboard started cannot use, and battery seems to give issue until my windows corrupt. Send in for warranty service, and they said they have changed my Keyboard + Battery.

2 months later, i notice the underside of laptop start to kembang. I open inside and see the battery already kembang like going to explode anytime. Illegear technician asked me to remove the battery, as I couldnt send in my laptop due to in the middle of important work. So I use it without battery.. until today.. The keyboard starts to give way again. No lighting no input.

Both items that claim to have replaced , but now having similar issues again.. I am really starting to doubt the quality of the servicing. Maybe I look too highly on the brand .. sad.gif I still recommended a lot of ppl to buy this, but my laptop only entering 2nd year, and already meet with such issues.. aiks..
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What is the rated battery capacity of your selenite? Also, is it 8th gen or 9th gen?

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