currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance..

the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor??

I think if u do a search on this topic, there was a long discussion on this sometime about a month ago about the competency of amd chips versus intel chip.

Cheap, casual people hardly overclock.

Nuff said. BTW, E2140 (which most of the sucking bundlers are gonna use instead of E2160, and offer upgrades directly to 4/6300) isn't much to be excited about in OCing.
And most people who want to overclock already have a Core CPU.

i think amd will continue to slip in cpu race as long as intel come up with better main stream or even budget processors. amd seriously needs to make better processors and of course value of money.

is not far better 2 b honest, but in most application at stock speed, the intel win. only in games that i loose a bit only. this shows that Core arch is affected heavily by its cache (correct me if im wrong)

i think benchmark shows tat E2160 with half cache compare to 6300 doesnt lose much performance, so, prolly cache doesnt affect core 2 as much as they affect pentium series

http://xtreview.com/review204.htm
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/displ...tium-e2160.html

unlike AMD K8, Intel Core architecture, is placing more emphasize on L2 cache. From the benchmark, in certain tests esp gaming, you will see that with Athlon X2 and E2xxx, both having same 1 MB L2 cache, Pentium E loses to AMD. But anyway, Intel Core is sweet at its OCbility get a rm250 proc u may OC it on par with X6800 if u re lucky, but it shoudlnt be a problem to OC till 2.5 Ghz at least. That will pawn many higher end AMD X2 alrdy

but in another case, if u re a regular who dont OC, then I say go with AMD is better, at least its better in gaming and comes with hardware virtualization support.

hoho...amd or intel
the answer is gotta try urself
luck will smile on u if ur lucky and the speed suits u
but the building block is always...ur money
haha

AMD better at gaming? O RLY? Proof please.
Core has virtualization too (though I doubt anyone here actually needs/uses it).

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-2302-vie...160-review.html

http://xtreview.com/review204.htm

This post has been edited by 8tvt: Jun 15 2007, 10:00 AM

Hum... every business has their own way to compete for market share. If AMD lost like 5 years ago, it would be gone like Cyrix or Transmeta.

I am sure AMD will find their way to gain their market share.

u twisted my comment alrdy
I was just mention about the AMD lower end X2 is better than Intel's lowend C2D in gaming, when comparing clock by clock.
only E6xxx has virtualization in C2D. Maybe programmers of software testers will need it, for sure it has nothing to do with gamer.

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jun 15 2007, 12:22 PM

Clock for clock, AMD loses even for games. Compare the 1.8GHz c2 and 1.9GHz x2.

Also, is it just me or does that xtreview link look like a complete ripoff of the xbitlabs review? Some images they ripped off directly from xbitlabs without even renaming them LOL.

edit: i'm checking their other reviews too to see where they ripped them off from, so i can inform the original sites.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Jun 15 2007, 01:17 PM

hmmm ........ how about compare intel with intel ?

P4 3.0 HT better then C2D E2140 ??

any prefect answer ?

but if amd lowered their price sumore i guess they r still in da business... hope amd will survive this battle again... it's good not having any side to monopoly or else they wont' improve n v have nothing to gain... as now, this time, i guess intel has "BANG" amd kaw kaw... even in budget segment...

most (not all) software programmers or designers do not utilise the VT of the proc as owning secondary pc is cheaper n now pc is as small as lappie... look at acer... unless they creating programs to run at dumb terminal...

gaming better with amd??? old phrase... it's just like intel users saying amd proc is hotter... c2d can perform very very well or ahead of amd in all 3d n graphic software if the system has been configured correctly... it's just a matter of how the user setup his machine...

now even if buyer isn't aiming to oc the proc they can opt for intel as it performs very well in price/performance ratio...

AMD always depend the memory controller for the processor architecture... once the RAM have another new version, then whole memory controller have to re-design their socket ... I think this is the weakness of AMD, compare to Intel with discrete logic device on motherboard, thats why socket LGA 775 survive until now. =.=""

Smell like strategies in technology smarter than AMD.

Whats the point though? Socket 775 has stayed but practically every new chip they have needs a new mainboard or a new chipset.

haha just like the case of P35 n G33 now... soon the X38 coming...

For IkanAyam :

Consumers will think changing MOBO w/o changing Proc worth better than changing both... IMO, Once AM3(izzit AM3?) released, socket AM2 Proc can apply at socket AM3(correct me if I am wrong) ?

lol.. what u trying to say actually?