After all the arguements happening here, i would like to conclude that consumer should be aware of what he is buying always. By right, the consumer should get the product with the quality at the price he/she paid for.

If this topic is clearly for the defamation of Link2u connection, i have no point arguing and arguing over and over again, because this will lead to no end. Even there is an end, one party suffers damage, while what will the another party get?

To Ryo`,

Sorry for my misunderstanding that you had bought the phone. If you withdraw from buying, of course you can do it, with reason that the phone navigation button is scratched. But for the camera shutter. At 1st, you had mention the camera shutter button, but now you mentioned camera shutter.
I am quite confused of this, and if you want to see actual picture of the phone, you can browse for the picture at

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n73-pictures-1550.php

And what we sell is exactly what is shown there.

And for the 2GB Mini SD. This one, i would recommend that you should refer this case to the agent that sold you this. The set i sold to my customer are bundle with 2GB Mini SD with the "Nokia" print there.
And for your knowledge, i am not the director or owner of the company. So please be aware of what you speak like accusing me of swapping the memory card with a DNA brand 2GB to get more profit.

As a conclusion, consumer must becareful of what they are buying and dealing with. And for Ryo' who accused me of not being a honest businessman or seller here, would like you to apologize to me by saying that because you had say things that is just out of your mouth. If i am a cheater here, i would be selling crap and spoiled products and wouldn't be here selling again after i sold a few product.

And if i had directly or indirectly hurt someone because of my sayings, i would apologize here too.

In your service,
Daniel Lum

Pls refer to the bold sentences for my reply

This post has been edited by Ryo`: Jun 19 2007, 06:00 PM

Ok. For the 1st question.
The button to shoot/take picture. It is silver in color. This one i am sure of it, and it is not black in color. Take a browse on the link that i had provide you with.

I may sound like a director or owner of the company, but actually i am not. I am just a trainer staff there, and knows quite a lot in the phone industry.

For your walk in purchase of the N73ME, whether recommended by friends or just a normal walk in, then this is beyond my saying already. What they ( the company responsible staff at that time) do, i have no control over it. But it is still something that i need to investigate out since you voice this out. It may due to the irresposible act of some staff there. But this is just an assumption.
Yes, it is not correct to bundle up the N73ME with a DNA Mini SD 2GB. I agree that statement of yours. And for the different in box, this need to be investigate again as i would say.

Thanks for your detailed reply on the situation that you had faced. In fact, by telling out the whole situation, things are better now in a sense that the seller here from link2u connection are not to be blame, because they are also just selling. But they are to ensure that the product that they are to sell and deliver to the customer should be now and in good condition.

Please provide me with some of your details through PM. I will investigate this matter with you through PM.
Provide me the followings:
1. Approx time and date when you go to company.
2. Self walk in or refered by agents?
3. Offered to buy or already intended to buy?
4. The name/outlook of the staff that offer you the phone.
5. Your name and contact.

Thank you very much for your corporation.

If we are found wrong in this area, we will apologize here to the public.

In your service,
Daniel Lum

Refer to the bold sentences for my reply, would like to hear from you soon

This post has been edited by Ryo`: Jun 20 2007, 12:07 PM

hey guys, I am newly step into this thread. However, I'm consider myself as one of the victim in this Link2u MLM structure. I sign up as membership in Early of May 2007 for half yearly subscription of RM388 to be an agent to get the price lists from them on selling mobile phones, IT gadgets.

At first, their explanation was fantastic and show us about how good their services before sign up. After we sign up, I feel cheated and most of the time when I start t order stock then they mentioned no stock la, No longer have the product la, and many many more extra reason to reject order.

I try a few times then I fet up with their services, therefore I give up and look for my own sources of supplier. Just to share with all of you, actually when you really do homework then you can score. I wanted to share with all lyn members actually you can walk into any AP company like CSL, I-mobile and get a dealership free from them and immediate open an account and provide you with the price list. Another best thing would be, you can't even believe all the phone prices are 10-15% lower than what Link2u prices. You may be angry and feel cheated by this gang of people from link2u.

So on, I got all my stock from few AP company and the price are great and earn more compare to link2u. Another things to share, as per Daniel explanation on the packaging of AP phones, I can share my experience so far from CSL, I-mobile, Nefion all this big AP company. Their phone was perfect and you will not see a single of the set same as the N73 they sell. Most of the AP set, come differently and are not packaging together as per Daniel mentioned. I experienced most of the time when I took the phone set from AP company, they will provide you phone then collect boxes from another specific place. The AP company allowed you to check all set before you leave the place therefore shouldnt have any scratches or silver colour button like N73.

I am actually looking forward to get link2u provide me a refund on the memberships signup. May i know how many victims so far are being cheated by the gang of people in Lyn? Do you guys planning to get back a refund from them and start sourcing by your own.

Hi~ just want to share something here.... ^^

on the 23 May 2007, morning, i received a call from steve1227 saying that w810i got stock, and N73 Music Edition also got stock. So, ryo decided to purchase the phone together with the w810i that I wanted to buy for my brother. I agreed to buy and told him that I will be there to take the 2 phones at 7pm in endah parade.

at 7pm while I am on my way to endah parade after work, with ryo, I called the number that steve gave me (which I really forgotten his name and did not save his number because I did not tend to remember this issue as I am really really angry =.='') and he said tmr only got stock. I was in a heart attack status that I freaked out. Basically, it is claimed that both the agent and supplier had a misunderstanding but still it is not an efficient way to do things. I reached their office and waited for 1 hour for the w810i. While waiting, I was looking at ryo's N73 ME that he wanted to buy. To be honest, the condition of the phone really doesn't, at any way, looks new. The navigator button in the middle had scratches and the color has worn out, the box itself looks like its been used, and the content in the box, like very kosong larrr compared to the one he bought and also 1 of my fren, who is also a N73ME user.
at 850pm, I only got my w810i which is later on, I am super late for my brother's birthday dinner. *faint*

To Bonescythe,

I understand that you are working under Link2u, I will not blame you if you are siding them. But like you said, please do investigate this matter. Also, 1 thing that I am still curious and wonders about, the office is at endah parade, the store itself is at sri petaling or desa petaling cos he told me it is in sri petaling. as i know, it doesnt need to take 2 hours to take 1 stock.

He said that it need soooo many procedure just to open the store. I basically thinks that it is kinda ridiculous, its your store ma, how come no one from the office has access to it? my 2 hours means that since the time I called him and told him, he could have went off after that. To me, link2u the image is really bad already as for the service that I got, the efficiency and the communication is.....(=.='') Hope to get a reply from u soon. Thanks in advance.

Btw, steve is really a nice guy and he did his best to get me the w810i on that very date itself. I feel it really is the communication within and the efficiency of the service larr.... really hope you will investigate this matter as I do not want their company to be the word of mouth in the forum too...

2 hours to get 1 phone. Because they need to get it from another supplier mar,

of course need time. Procedure to open store? ahaha, dont know who will believe.

Even big AP company like comsat, csl do not have a store.

Does this picture help?
Source: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=produc...3_music,gallery

This is funny.... lolz~ FYI, there is this phrase in english (which is in proper english language and it is not a harsh word) slapping your own face / slapping our own face. Its something like peribahasa. FYI only ya... haha...

That is what he told me through the phone.... then while waiting, I asked how long more, he said that his collegue is getting it from KL. There I lagi confuse liao.... I didnt' ask more as I was too busy calming myself down that day lolz~~~

Yes, i agree with this picture.
The button is coated in black color coating for the N73ME only.
And beside that, the button got blue color light when the phone is in use.

Yes, as i had mention to all of you here.
I will surely investigate this matter till the truth of it.

By the way, please do not mistaken me as a director or owner of Link2U connection. I am just a normal unpaid staff in Link2u connection only.

I will do my best in getting a reply to all of you here. The truth shall be revealed, so that we will not be bugged of this case again and again.

For those who had help in giving out useful information in this area, a very thank you for your information. I believe with this, things and trouble will be able to come to a solution.

In your service,
Daniel Lum

All the while I've been kept on mentioning the set that I getting from Link2U is N73ME with SILVER color camera button right? So does this prove that the set that they tried to sell to me is RECON set?... Provides if they admit it's their fault la of course.

Comparison:

N73 Normal Edition:


N73 Music Edition:


One more thing, as you said you are not director or owner of Link2U connection, what if you found the staff guilty after the investigation, I wonder what action can you take as a unpaid staff, apologize on behalf?

This post has been edited by Ryo`: Jun 20 2007, 05:40 PM

unpaid staff can run an investigation in a company? Do u believe? ahahah....funny

Yes, i am an unpaid staff, or just agent.

For me to investigate about this problem, because i find that there is a problem here, and would want the truth to be known and revealed eventhough it is very indirectly related to me.

For me to ignore this and keep on living my life without all this problem and trouble, i can do so as i dont have to take care so much about this. I can still continue to be my agent and service my own customer to the best and make sure that they are satisfied.

I am a person who take ownership of what i am doing and what i am involved in. Since i am from Link2U, then i feel that i have a responsibility here to clarify things out, eventhough sometimes the truth is unpleasant to be known. But before that, i need to investigate before making a jugde on it.

To Mr "thunderbird" statement. If you feel that it is funny or whatever, mocking me of what i am doing or what so ever, i can't care much about it if you want to do so. Or you are thinking why there is such a person in the world doing somthing that wont benefit him at all, i cant care much about it too. I am just helping Ryo' out in this whole thing, and also to reveal the truth in the public. And by right,i can avoid all this though.

If it is really Link2U wrong, then it is Link2U wrong. If it is another factor, then it is that factor.

What ever, hopefully someone will believe you.

i don't really care much about it and why don't u just starting

the investigatin instead of spending time here?

And mind to tell if u just an agent, how could you investigate

it? It doesn't make any sense here. You can just question ur supplier

but not investigate, that's a huge different.

Why don't u just admit u working in Link2U? There's nothing to be shame.

This post has been edited by thunderbird: Jun 20 2007, 09:56 PM

This is a big problem if they sell u N73ME with N73 button...Most probably they reflash N73 into N73ME and change the housing...

Yes, it is in the process with Ryo' already.
And if you insist that i am working there, or i am a staff there, that you can go to the office and check whether Daniel Lum is working there or not.
I am not in shame declaring i am a Link2U agent, but i cant admit something that i am not doing, like you said that i am working for Link2U there.

I use "investigate" because the action is investigating about the problem. Or if you dont like the sound of it, then i can use "check with them", or "find out what is happening".

And why cant an agent investigate? We paid rm388/688, of course we should know what is the company doing. If the company is hiding from us, then it is not right. And if you dont trust what i do/say or whatever, and you would want to just go against everything that i say, then let it be, because i cant control you either for the mouth of yours i cant control, but only my own. Yes, it doesnt make sense to you, because you are just an outsider and dont even know how our company structure is, but you are just acting like a pro saying everything that comes out from your mouth. Maybe worse to worse, i can just ignore what you are saying. But i will surely want to know Ryo's case.

I am straight forward and direct. Maybe i will hurt you by saying this. Would hereby apologize to you too if i do.

If u just an agent, u still an "outsider" also, not much different.

I don't have interest to know where are you working because non

of my business.

This is a community forum, i have the right to speak out from my mouth,

so what?

Hello, just now u said u just an agent, now using the word "our" company,

if you just an agent, that's NOT your company, you are just an agent.



An agent can run an investigation? altough u paid an amount to join, but,

so what?? Have u ever heard people who joined those direct sales company

able to investigate the company? You make me laugh again.

Brother, i did say i take ownership of what i am doing.
Yes,i am an agent. And Link2u is a company, and i would want to consider it as my company also can, because i paid for it.
Do you know that when you do something and treated it like yours, you will give 110% to it. But if you are just going along, your effort is just 50-60%, and will die off.

And yes, that is your mouth. So i cant do anything of what your mouth wishes to do.

And as for that "investigation". Nothing can defeat a man's will when he is determined to do it and achieve it. Havent you see people that are limped or born imperfect can become a successful being in the world?

And as for the conversation between you and me, i find that talking with you will surfacely seems interesting, but what you are talking about are just mockings, and negative talks. Contentless from top to the bottom. Rather than seeking a solution, giving out supports, you are emphasizing on mocking people.

hey people.... chill la..... seriously if this goes on, there wont be any solutions out of it rather than just plain arguements that has no conclusion.

to thunderbird,
I believe you are kinda angry and feeling unpleasant after all the cases that had mention earlier here. but you have your rights and he has his right to do whatever both of u wishes rite?? after all, no one can control both of u ma... so let him be if he wants to investigate/find out/etc cos at the end of the day, he gets nothing but the truth about the company that he is paying. no offence larr... but really... chill la bro....come lets hug! haha!

to Bonescythe,
It is great to have someone like you who give the client the best service, a perfect phone and etc. but both me and ryo' are kinda unlucky larr. that is why we need your help (that is if you are willing to do it) to find out why does link2u do this and what is the purpose. honestly speaking, link2u's name is all over the forum. it is abit unpleasant too for ppl to misjudge u as the "owner/director/etc" larr cos i am sure this will affect ur sales too...i am glad that you are willling to help out as you are aware that it has no benefit to you, but at the very least, you get to know the real truth about link2u. isnt it a benefit too? =) I hope that you will find the answer to this matter and foresee it asap. good luck~

btw, ryo' did mention alot of times that he wanted to purchase the N73ME many times... or isit just a misunderstanding from you earlier on? =)

This post has been edited by bB_BerNi: Jun 21 2007, 05:21 PM

Hi there ~ i am steve1227 who dealt with berni for the w810i white and ryo who almost bought the N73 me ...once again i apologize for the mess i caused but it is really a misunderstanding btw me and the staff there, when i heard they didnt place order for you, i as well nearly got a heart attack.

I have not running this business for sometime for quite awhile for some reasons, and didnt check my thread until just now i saw my thread and there is a guy call thunderbird left a msg on my thread, say i pretend innocent cause of copying fruities thread (Honestly i didnt copy , anyhow its not important anymore), then i started to check his post history ( feel like he is very proud of himself of being a senior forumer and keep comment on ppl post,very funny), interestingly i found a post call Link2u and i am linked to here.

Ryo, must say sorry to you 1st as i myself not at the scene and i didnt even know hows the product, its my fault and if i knew that i wont reserved it. U know i sold N73 me b4 and it has no problem ( those are not reserved 1, and not cheaper 1). For your issue i have some similar taughts like you but i didnt insist and breaking the walls to get explaination from company cos my fren is 1 of the shareholder. I am really not sure its a recon set or not (till now), but its quite funny when they answer u they deal with DNA,did they really told u like this?

p/s : I think you/berni mistaken another person as me ...i nvr go office deal with ppl.

Well, just to share something to u guys tat the main reason i retreat from selling hp is mainly due to my day job. And another quite important reason is the service and efficency of office, especially after berni's incident ( i actually stop running bizness 1 week after the incident),i have lost confidence because quite a couple of time i promised to get the stock on certain day then i arrange deal with customer but eventually i end up breaking promise. I understand they also face problem but its quite distracting to me as i am breaking my reputation lo.

p/s : Berni sorry again as i had really do my best to get u the phone, i dont know the detail thing that happens btw u and the staff tat day but sorry for the mess.

And finally the reason i gav up is the margin is not very very nice and there are a lot of others agent started to sell here already. Somemore they promised us to free deliver the stocks to us at 1st but after tat change policy will have charges if 1 delivery, otherwise need to take stock directly at office.With all the reasons stated,i decided to stop lo.

Not supporting my fren but the goods from L2u basically have a competative price and they selling new set lo... But when come to bizness i think they are not up to standard as the company don have a proper system so far as they are new. Just my 2 cents to other L2u agents here, think before there are some special sets or shipment sets tat require waiting days la..cause the stock always delay 1 and u have no stock to give customer, and inspect the goods before give customer la,don like me lo ( i dont noe hows the company do now la, i just share my experience).

And finally thanks for Berni saying i am a nice person, i am happy le .. . Ryo bro glad tat u voice it out la ... else i also don think so much things ( actually i didnt even think it might be a recon set, i just tot it was a spoilt goods case)

REgards

Steve