Perodua Viva....has DOHC, DVVT, EFI engine. Come's with fancy side mirrors and a copy of Toyota Avanza. Fuel consumption...I agree its low but Power!....a BIG NO!

Proton Savvy...AMT, Mutli point fuel injection, Maximum SPEED of RM 170km/h , AND AN ACCELERATION IF 12.6 SECS (0-100km). Oh! I almost forgot, the toughness to go with the excellent accelaration.

If both these cars are for the younger generation, why would you compromise for a car which has NO POWER but is just nice looking. It's like FALLING FOR A GUY WITH JUST GOOD LOOKS BUT A ROTTEN CHARACTER/ATTITUDE!

What's your take?

ERM.....Viva loh, Savvy's looks is really really....BIG NO...

Viva still ok...

Its because its not an umbrella crony company. Besides, the 1.0 engine (fitted onto kelisa) can easily touch 160 on auto.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jun 12 2007, 06:53 PM

Popcorn anyone?

savvy can reach 170km/h...wow..

dunno y... but since viva came out, savvy looks more delicious to me...
myvi still win...

like I said...its like falling for a guy with good looks but horrible attitude!

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Added on June 12, 2007, 7:07 pmIn a jiffy my friend!

This post has been edited by kris407: Jun 12 2007, 07:07 PM

r u an owner of kelisa?
r u really really really sure can reach 160kmh??
i dun think auto top speed is higher than manual top speed

not to forget, viva max cap is 1.0, savvy is 1.2... how to compare this both car??? viva of coz underpower lar with compared with savvy...

With a slight downhill, above 160km/h is possible in auto. Safety is another issue. Acceleration from 0-100 about 8 seconds, eventhough spec stated 17.8 seconds.

that's what I said but Perodua salesman said that the Viva can race with Savvy...damn powerful because of the alphabet engine

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Added on June 12, 2007, 8:01 pmNo way...unless you've modified the engine!

This post has been edited by kris407: Jun 12 2007, 08:01 PM

he said easily woorrr

no need to modify kelisa ....it is easily can smoke any car with stock inside....if not just test drive both cars and you judge urself....i think you are a fool complaining here since you know the forumers have pride defending either savvy or myvi or viva.....

i'll take savvy, because its saves fuel. it is just normal car either savvy or viva, it is still very common and nothing worth to show off. better get bmw/mercedes to show off la..

For that i will go for a savvy instead, i prefer the looks of the mini euro look hatch (esp the facelifted version) which si fun to drive rather than the compressed dull looking avanza.

in this case,i might take savvy..but of course it's the facelift version

new face lifted savvy all the way.

viva avanza

savvy wins hands down.

Viva skinny wheel, taller body, body roll and rear wheel start to lose control if you push the throttle harder. Drive for 10minutes, you will get bored. I am not a big fans of K-cars..or V-cars.

How many of us(K car owner, kelisa, kenari, viva) going beyond 150kmh, 160kmh or >160kmh at usual driving??

Again..and again, Viva or Savvy, overpriced products..get yourself an old technology, 1.5(M) WIRA, rm3-5k discount, OTR RM40K..bigger space, comfort, better handling, isn't it a better deal? Don't shoot me...

Viva 13cents per km
Wira 1.5(M) 17cents per km
difference 4cents, per km

travel 2000km per month, additional 4cents per km = rm80 per month = rm960 per year only...and Wira is DIRT cheap to maintan...LoL..

MY 0.0000002 CENTS...

This post has been edited by ralf: Jun 12 2007, 08:52 PM

Perodua claim the Viva have 60bhp++ on their 1.0 engine at 6500rpm.. believe it???

btw new Perodua car hav speed limit at 140kmh on their ECU.. the car wont go higher than 140kmh...

if i were to get a car below 40k, i would love to get savvy facelifted AMT version....

Really after viva came out, savvy looks even more appealing to me.

With the price tag of 44k for the premium model is really is a SUPER EXPENSIVE 1L car. And then u get a tall unstable body skinny tyres. It sure will limit the handling capability of this car. Of coz the main attraction of viva is the spaciousness, but i guess when u fill the whole car with 5 ppl(even though it might be much more comfortable with 4 ppl inside) u will wish for a bigger capacity engine.(even my wira 1.3(m) have problem climbing hills when the car is full with 5 ppl) And taking these 5 ppl on a long trip might not be a good idea becoz of the limited boot space.

For 45k u can get the savvy high line AMT. Altough it sound expensive just think what u will get with this price. 1.2L engine, Automated manual transmission, Super tough body, Lotus tuned suspension, Bucket seats. THe back seat might not be that big compared to viva but it sure will fit 2 adults and 1 child comfortably. The extra grunt of the engine even translate to better driving experience when u need it. And dont forget that its fuel efficient too

Lastly, i think between these two cars, the better choice would be the Savvy. It just gives a lot of extra for this kind of price

Or as ralf said just buy the wira 1.5(m) for 45k and u get bigger space, bigger engines and bigger everyting( even bigger fc lol)

just my opinion

This post has been edited by haze: Jun 12 2007, 09:53 PM

It's a tough call but I'll still choose Viva.

i'll chooose sawi over vulva if i have no other choice.. i'll take myvi if i have to choose between these 3..

Got BUcket seat mar??? or bucket seat look alike ..

I assume the 1L perodua is the same engine as Kelisa with VVTI .. thats a 3 piston 12 valve DOHC ...

savvy is a 4 piston , 16 valve SOHC .. if i remember correctly.. the savvy should have more torque to play with, thus better power, more fuel saving ...

Juz my another 2 cents.. lolz

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: Jun 12 2007, 10:34 PM

test them side by side in EURO NCAP.
the 1 who receive better mark is the better 1 !

This post has been edited by ulet: Jun 12 2007, 10:37 PM

It cost more than 40k for a face-lifted Savvy AMT.


If that were considered bucket seat, then even Vios and Honda City and Iswara have bucket seats.



Savvy alone is an expensive small little car. In the end, it is the pricing of Viva made Savvy looks like a better deal. By comparing MyVi and Viva, Viva is so cheapskate. With all these, I'm seeing more Savvy on the road than before.

Without regard to hypermount's fanboyism...... I will go with savvy this time.

Personally....the viva is disgustingly horrendously UGLY. I've never seen a more gay car rolling on the roads.
Hell I'd rather be seen on a 90cc kapchai at a billionaire's party, than being seen in the Viva at a pool party among friends.

I dun give two farts about what safety features the Viva has. In a car like that, you're in an accident at 60KM/h, just say hello to god for me.

Then the savvy's...... it's ugly....but the R3 bk ain't half bad. And the 1.2 renault engine is a pretty solid justification of good engine quality. I've driven it, I like it. It's a lil small....but the viva's no truck either.

My vote, savvy.

i will choose savvy over this viva anytime

Even without the R3, Savvy facelift with a silver metallic looks pretty good.



Agreed. IMO the only Viva worth to buy is the 28k version. Imagine, we need to pay extra 50% just for 1L engine upgrade with some extra safety stuff?

Considering:
(price of 1000cc engine - price of 660cc engine) + safety stuff + body colored bumper + electric side mirror = 14k+

WTF?!

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 12 2007, 11:21 PM

Although i would usually go perodua, this time I'm resting my vote on the savvy. however with the savvy h-line being 45k, might as well add 1k and get the basic myvi auto. well tht's my 2 cents

with 44k, 1 is 1.2L, 1 is 1.0L, then savvy got lotus handling...

in term of spacios, both almost the same... so .. savvy really win all

dont u think they intro viva to help savvy sales and bring proton back to life?

I drove my fren's kelisa 1.0 ezi to 160.

Besides, if a 1995 kancil 660 manual can do 140.. a 1.0A kelisa can do 160.

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Added on June 12, 2007, 11:46 pmEasily being that I don't need to race down a distance of KL-Penang just to get the speed

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Added on June 12, 2007, 11:48 pm28k for a high rev engine and 400 bucks more to respray bumpers is not too bad. IMO, either that or just get a used kelisa and fix it up, more worth it.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jun 12 2007, 11:49 PM

I think add a poll should be the best.

i think i will still go for savvy, spacious and better performance

just my 2 cents

Wiralution is famous for high maintanence... dun think of jus petrol...

should think something like tyres,engine oil, etc.. wira's window motor also got problem d.. summore wan to buy wira a..

back to savvy vs ViVa.. i will go for savvy for now, if we compare by spec.

i will take Savvy...

Better FC, better acceleration, better handling, better chasis, 4cylinder and 1.2l engine...

i like ur term.. hehe.. which is really true


while ABS is not really a WAH factor nowadays, it have been used 10-20 years back.. one might said that this extra safety feature not really useful but when it really work and safe your arsed from accident, then u will realised. i'm not poking you..

what you guys think for the savvy's TUV rating??

well , viva is damn cramped inside . u close ur door , habis . u feel ur hair has more space to stand . 3 adult 100% cannot sit behind .
savvy looks small but inside .. slightly bigger than viva .

yea i tested both car in show room and that is exactly wat i feel

I'm sorry, bt I hv to disagree with you abt getting an old technology, it's because of mentality like ones you've suggested that caused Proton unable to move forward. Becuz "you don't need Lotus handling to get you from point A to B", or "you don't need better/newer/fancy looking car to get you from point A to B", so just be Mr. Cheapo and get the cheapest and basic ones out there. So long they're reliable and have high re-sale value, that's all what a car should be like. And then, ten years from now, we'll still be hearing Proton producing 30 years old car, Proton this and that, while P2 unworthy of its cheap success tactic will get the support of everyone save for petrolheads.

Better handling, are you sure? Savvy is better than Wira n all the rest of Proton's old models. I've nvr sat in Viva before, bt I've seen it before, and it looks quite big, bt Savvy needs nt worry abt nt being able to boast as the most spacious cabin. It is actually able to fit me and my 2 big frens just nice at the back. And with Lotus RnH, tough body strength (I still remember results showed its 3X stronger than Wira's body), Renault engine, its a bargain compared to Viva. Only problem is.....it's a Proton. And Msians, hate Protons. Oh yes, they can dig up from all kinds of sources and produce Oxford-level arguments to bash Proton, just becuz his PW failed 5 times, his door handle broke after a few hours out of the showroom, then glorify the cheap bastards who oni know how to paste their badge from its parent company, knowing well they'll never develop their own cars. Ever.

That said, yes, I personally prefer the Savvy, bt relistically, I definitely made the wrong choice. Kinda surprised to see quite a number here prefers the Savvy over Viva too, however, this obviously will nt reflect the general Msian car consumers. I can foresee Viva sales taking over Savvy's overall sales since launched in 2005 by the end of.....mayb this year?

Savvy, coz of its reliability ... one of the few Protons that you can actually rely on.

Viva? We have to wait a while to see if there are any problems whatsoever with the car, for now, Savvy is the better choice.

are ya sure? i've test drove both cars before. Cabin space for savvy might be slightly bigger, but viva's way longer for leg space.

and when i pushed the driver seat way behind, i just couldn't sit properly behind. Either my knees had to bend or my head gets knocked. I'm 175cm.


Viva's more spacious actually

i love savvy more than viva...

savvy is more good looking than viva

Like someone said earlier in the topic,

Viva 1000cc and Savvy are comparable enough to each other... they are placed within the same 40-45k price range.

Viva is a pretty girl who can't accomplish much really... (actually, I don't feel it's good looking at all. It's just a small Avanza).

Savvy might not look very good in the outside to most, but once you know her well enough, you'll learn to really love her for who she is =D.

The only problem with Savvy is that it's a Proton. I like quite a number of Proton cars, really, it's the company management and QC that I have gripes with.

Viva is meant more as a practical point A-to-B car. Power and handling, there is no way it can outmatch Savvy. DVVT makes a difference, I agree, but did you know that Savvy's engine has VVT as well? It is a continental engine and most of them have VVT as standard these days. Savvy is more of a driver's car.

And I find it hard to believe that a Kelisa Auto can reach 160km/h. My family had a Kelisa SE Ezi before, and I could never reach above 145 km/h on a straight highway (used KESAS), pedal to the metal. Maybe the SE spoiler gave too much drag? XD

Viva and Savvy are both modern-enough cars, really, and I don't find it hard to believe that the 1000cc Viva has 60 bhp. It's a Toyota/Daihatsu engine, and if you didn't know, Toyota already has a 1000cc engine making almost 80 bhp.

Still, my personal pick would be a manual Savvy. The current 1000cc engine is still too underpowered for my tastes =P . The facelift actually did the right thing by removing the "Waja-nose butt".

This post has been edited by mTk: Jun 13 2007, 09:01 AM

DVVT in perodua is a mere Marketing Strategy, what the hoohaa with all the fancy technologies if the outcome is not satisfactory

DVVT may be a marketing strategy (besides a technology) but it still is what it stands for - Dynamic Variable Valve Timing.

Fact: DVVT = VVT-i. Avanza 1.3 and Myvi 1.3 both use the exact same engine, but one is labeled VVT-i while the other one is labeled DVVT.

as refer to topic budget 45k below:
savvy 1.2cc amt transmit wins over viva 1.0cc (dvvt) auto on every aspect...

like refer to bigger cc engine:
44k wira 1.5cc manual hatch win over viva...

when refer to interior space:
43k myvi 1.3cc manual wins over viva again...

if sporty looks:
45k gen2 1.3cc auto wins over viva again...

So in the end the Viva premium might not be the best buy for the 45k price range.

If i were REALLY to buy the viva i might just take the 660cc. But with the price tag of 28k then i might just take the iswara instead

And when ppl say that iswara body is made off milo tin the viva 660cc is also a small car witout any safety features so both of these drivers would die in a crash

JUst my 0.2cents

i'll rather skip both viva 660cc and iswara 28k...
viva over price 28k, no power window, no rim cap, no power stearing...

iswara is like 20years old re-manufacture car...
why cant they give us something better options...?

rich boy man....

but how about if compare both to your waja?

i think savvy will win against waja
but quality wise perodua hands up

Viva with DVVT definately not comparible to Savvy's engine .
test drive one and red line it then u will know ...
it is so ... ... not delivery enough .
savvy engine has damn good torque but it sounds kinda loud .

obviously , i would choose savvy over viva . i dont like sitting behind and fell my left and my right is just so close .

at the same time , dont flame me ...kenari back is better than viva .

talk about the seat , fornt seat adjust wayyy to the back . if u sit behind , u can ask the driver to push in front a bit . but for viva , u feel spacious , but both the side is so cramped ... u cant ask the car to extend outer a bit .

btw , i wanna comment , the 90 degree door opening is rubbish . purely marketing gimmick .

Crunch..crunch....Cola anyone? Or u guys want teh tarik ais kurang manis??

Try read the perodua viva review from last week's NST' CBT session, written by a woman instead. Gosh the review is so lame and amateurish, she even praised the viva's 90 degree door opening.

Havent got the chance to drive Viva n Savvy but I have seen n felt them in n out at d showroom when launched. I'd prefer d Viva coz:
- better leg space ie. length
Lets face it neither Viva nor Savvy r suited to carry 3 full grown adults at d back over long distances in comfort. D recommened passagers for d back r 2 adults + 1 kid. But d Viva does hv d edge for d extra leg space

- Practicality
As A segment cars, I'd just treat them merely as transportation from point A to B. No need d super-sharp handlin, 0-100 pickup n AMT features. In fact I'd be lookin for cubby holes, pockets, head room, durable interior dressing, boot space n decent handlin. If handling was important, I'd get myself a Swift or Satria Gti

- Engine
I wont argue which engine is better or newer. Instead judging from previous history when d Tiara was made n a European unit was used, it was considered a total screw up for owners who were lookin for cheap n easy to maintain drive. Further more how many Waja 1.8 r seen on d road? it also uses a Renault unit. So I'd prefer to play safe n follow d majority than worryin bout spares in future

- Looks
Its a very personal matter. But my 1st impression when I looked at d Savvy's steering was how it reminded me of a toy steering (cold n terribly hard) though d Viva does remind me of an mini Avanza wit tiny wheels tat might tilt over at any sharp corner

Lady/girl/woman view is different. An extra undertray in the driver seat for handbags (or foldable back seat) might book 100 points for them.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jun 13 2007, 06:02 PM

just do a real life test like what honda did recently with their city ler...

take a Savvy H-Line and a Viva Premium....

pack 4 adults in with holiday luggage, pump full tank, go cameroon for the weekend and come back...

see which car passenger is fresher and which car consume more petrol

settle...
a real world application comparison done.......

for sure savvy . when u drive it u will for in love with this little cute car. it someow looks like a hot rod!!! yeah with a bit mod on body kit will be more nice

Just to let you know....PROTON IS HAVING A CARNIVAL IN THE CURVE FROM THE 14TH TO 17TH JUNE 2007 and ofcourse, special promotion on loan interest rates.

This post has been edited by kris407: Jun 15 2007, 08:33 AM

Yeah, it is possible...but it's certainly NO EASY task...

It's not all on the CC... The power to weight ratio is important as well...

It's for its occupant's safety...u don't want the vulva & mawi to topple...

I'm 180 and I fit comfortably (not needing to pushed the driver seat way behind) in the Savvy...if u're refering to the Neo, then I'll agree with u!

U do realize the Savvy is a 1200cc car right???

U can go with the RM500 000 RapidKL busses or LRT to travel instead???
Or the made-in-china Nazas...

typical Malaysian review, only praise very shallow stuff. that review was rubbish.

Honestly I lost interest in CBT reviews after they pitted the MyVi, 1.3 Neo and the Atos (i think) together. and then said that the Neo loses points because it's a 2-door.

LIKE DUH! it's not even in the same category!

and comparing the MyVi premium with the basic Neo 1.3, not very smart ain't it

actually it's 1150c

This post has been edited by synn: Jun 13 2007, 07:54 PM

Becuz "you don't need Lotus handling to get you from point A to B", or "you don't need better/newer/fancy looking car to get you from point A to B", so just be Mr. Cheapo and get the cheapest and basic ones out there. So long they're reliable and have high re-sale value, that's all what a car should be like.

You got it right, absolutely correct.
In fact, i am an old man that i don't care about the marketing gimmick, lotus handling, VVTi, DVVT. Old man like me want a bigger car, bigger space, bigger boot, comfort, good for highway crusing and suit for family ride, old man don't really bother about fuel consumption since it doesn't make any much difference.

a) A small pocket rocket which doesn't look handsome has the best handling among all.
b) A cute little machine drinks very little milk, some said it is girlish, some said it is expensive
Which one do you choose?? It is your money, spend it wisely.

Wholesome in Many is better than Awesome in some

i choose nothing.............

savvy got prob?like gen?if no den oklar..but not stylish lar..no fun..ahha..viva le..i saw a denso logo on the engine...but duno lar..havent try..very plasticky..

its hands down on to practicality vs performance. if you're one with a family and requires spacious car for small compact car, then its more of a need. savvy is more on a solo single or a prelim age of a family where you still have the young mind's edge on driving fast and saving penny

Try the star's monthly motoring section. It's even worse, totally amatuerist reviews . The only worthy local reviews is from autocar asean, top gear mysia, torque, asean auto and cars.com.my.

you forgot to add LYN FnF

i notice quite a number of forumer always said use the car to transport A to B.. now tell me which car cannot transport u from point A-to-B?
so if what u mean is juz reach destination enough, no need abs lah, airbag lah, good handling lah correcto?

Any proof to backup your statement ?

Are you sure ? Ive tested one before and im getting around 18-19 seconds.

That is because of the gearing, 5 gears let you play more.

Savvy is around the same size i suppose, but for both i prefer savvy because of the looks and the tough body and of course the R3 stuffs.

is it typo buddy?

that for lame reviews or worthy review category?

Well no matter its for point a to b car or what, its good to have ABS and airbags n other safety technologies in the car. U never know when u gonna need it esp during emergencies.

choose savvy laa....save FUEEEL...

Too many wannabe sifus here

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This post has been edited by bysquashy: Jun 14 2007, 08:25 AM

previously we have savvy vs myvi...
then we have myvi vs viva...
now we have savvy vs viva...

Next we will have myvi vs savvy vs viva

Yeah...all the talking and the Savvy still not selling...so boring.

Seem i will buy Savvy instead buy Viva kakakakakaa....3 years installment settle it

Both sucks, save for a few more k get Myvi.

I'll take viva rather than savvy. I really dun like savvy look at all...although savvy more powerful and tougher...

their promotion will never end...
stock is flooding at open space...

[OT] ya right... as if LRT enough space to fit every1 when peak hours... more like sandwich..!
rapidKL busses i must praise them for alwaz coming late... [OT]

my 43k option is 1.3myvi manual...

8 sec, is it sport car

flame war review....

100%

I think RESELL VALUE and MAINTENANCE COST are another big issue we (normal malaysian - low income, only able to get a cheap national car and buy a small house) have to concern.

How is the resell value for Savvy? Hopefully it is not like Tiara where u sell at 3k also no ppl want.
I think there is NO second-hand Viva at this moment (if got, that car sure got big problem 1); but I guess resell value of Viva is not bad (referring to the resell value of other P2 cars like MyVi, Kelisa, Kenari)

I'm not sure about Savvy maintenance cost, hopefully it's not as "maintainable" as Tiara.
For Viva, as i heard from the P2 SA, it can share many spare parts with Kelisa.

ya, heard it too...fella say its a D. Mira in disguise.....so next time expect to see "JDM" miras on malaysia roads....hahah........mom just bought a myvi, so far no prob...waiting for a chance to swap its front to Toyota Passo if got money..

you should watch the stress test on both car.... lol.... try to ask some guy from proton. they know....

the made in china Nazas are worse, the CKD units arrive without any rust protection so are rusted through! then they need to sandblast it to remove the rust and make the steel frame thinner some more. according to sources, those cars dont even pass JPJ's crash safety tests! dont even think about IT!

but naza's has airbags and abs wor

it the car itself will not hold together in the event of a crash then no amount of airbags will save you. abs doesnt help you stop you faster, it just helps to keep you from locking up when you suddenly stomp the brake pedal, so it will be a more controlled braking! it is not for tailgating the car in front, in some cases like in the wet, it will increase stopping distance.
the best safety device is still the driver and you start by not choosing a made in china naza.

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Added on June 14, 2007, 12:29 pmi guess you just ordered one.



This post has been edited by dickybird: Jun 14 2007, 12:29 PM