does that 10% make a big difference under our hot tropical sun?

should i just go with the 75%?

Topping up RM400 for that extra 10% from the price they quoted me.

just wanna know if its worth paying for that extra 10% or it does not make a significant difference when it comes to car tint vs our tropical weather.

park

i saw you posted recently

you also looking for new tint?

Hello JPJ

This post has been edited by TunZ: Nov 28 2018, 09:00 AM

KEK

IR =/= VLT

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 09:01 AM

Even 75% and 85% VLT is way more than the minimum of 70% imposed by JPJ.

i dont need too dark now maybe.. so i'll just go with the allowed VLT

they did say i could go all the way to 30% VLT for all windows, but i dont want.

maybe i'll stick to 50% VLT for all 4 passenger windows instead. including the rear

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 09:04 AM

If my car already have tint, can I send shop to make it more darker or have to do new tint

it does make a difference but u better make sure the VLT complies
else you're gonna waste more money reinstalling it

ask them to demo it out for u lah.....

my suggestion, go for the highest spec within your budget, no regret later

they did demo to me

showed me both 75% and 85%, although i dont feel that MUCH of a difference when standing next to the demo area (he told me to stand next to each tint to feel the amount of heat passing through.

both also within my budget but im just not sure if its worth paying for that extra 10% or not only

u need to stay longer to feel the effect.......my view is since both within your budget, go for the better one, after all, u already pay so much for your car, what the difference of additional amount.

Pricing, can be further nego one

BTW, both are non JPJ compliant or JPJ compliant or one yes, one no? Or, u don't care JPJ rule

This post has been edited by 2feidei: Nov 28 2018, 09:17 AM

if stand few second, it won't make any difference
but unless the constant sun, it will make a difference
BUT i already say it before, better watch out for your VLT else you're gonna be opening new thread abt how JPJ kacau your car
which will backfire easily

and for me lah...in terms of tint...workmanship > all

You mean put tint film on top of the existing one?

Can but both film will void warranty. The previous one will say, putting another tint on top void warranty. The second one will say, the tint film is suppose to be stick on glass

I suggest you replace the old one with new one.

true also... because still need to see how it performs in real life situation where we park under the sun for 30 mins to 1-2 hours



they did mention both are jpj compliance

but i can choose to go darker if i want to (at first i wanted 70% front, 30% all around)

so now im thinking 50% all around (safer)

front windshield as long as can still see, JPJ shouldnt kacau too much

since 50% all around can still see whole car interior

they say JPJ compliance is useless, there is only 2 way to know
1. the VLT %
2. shop warranty
the shop that i install at gave me a word that if JPJ stop u, u ask them to saman only...take the saman back to us and we will settle it for u

yea understand that too

but as long as its not too dark, lesser chance for JPJ to kacau also

hmm but im not sure if 30% is way too dark nowadays?

or 50% is good enough?

whats your VLT?

JPJ current rule for VLT is:
70% front
50% driver and passenger side
30% backseat windows and rear

I'm using 70% front and 50% for the rest. This is still in line with rule. Some people go for rear seat windows 30% but it look weird to mee. Not even between front and rear windows. For just read windscreen at 30% is still ok, but for me I stick with 50% because I like to see what behind me more clearly. I always monitor surrounding from time to time when driving to be alert. If too dark it is bad especially when it rain and at night.

something liddat lah, but, it look stupid for u to stand there for 30 min to 1-2 hours behind their demo to test

Kenot remember the compliance, but, whether JPJ want to kacau u or not, depends on your luck lah......visual verification is one thing, but, to be certain, they will use the equipment to measure one.

If u bad luck, if yours is non compliant, they use equipment, failed, then, u need to remove it, go puspakom for them to verify. Or, he say, sorry, no equipment on hand, they issue u notice first, ask u go JPJ office later for them to test, even though if yours is JPJ compliant one.

But, so far, in my mani years of driving, only kena once.

i plan to do that also!

either 70% front and 50% for the rest including rear

or whole thing 50% including front.

just wanna ask.. 50% is good enough to have your interior visible but not wayyyy too visible? including the passengers and driver.

and yes! quite OCD, its just looks so weird seeing front windows at 50% while rear windows is darker at 30%

thats why its either i go 30% for all 4 windows, or 50% for the whole thing


as far as i know, once we tint, its already not compliance, but its just as long as not too dark, they also wont really kacau you

30% is definitely too dark
stay with JPJ compliance which is always 50% and above
and u have to know tint works both way, meaning if its hard to see from the outside to inside
you're gonna have trouble looking outside from inside
especially at night

i see

then i think its better to be 50% all around.

because sometimes blind spots occur around our passenger seat windows too

or some idiot car/bike might be sticking too close to us on the left side and we cant see them (day time)

but anyway.. whats you IR amount?

i still dunno if i wanna go for 75% or use 85% although its still within budget. LOL

if not worth at least i wont be paying 400 extra. 400 can use for other things

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 09:43 AM

i don't remember my IRR% but definitely not 75% high
i don't have the budget for top brand tint like 3M, V-kool and huper optik that can archive such IRR% which still having legal VLT%
but my IRR% is enough to filter the dangerous ray, i can feel the difference between windows up and windows down...like many needle spiking my hand

Why want to use 75% or even more VLT 85% if JPJ allows down to 70%. It will be hotter. The TSER for 70% VLT for good one is probably range in 50~60%

i use tint with these spec :
vlt 50%, uvr 99%, irr 78%, tser 39%. ok for me.

actually Ts, even though VLT 50%, from inside is still bright clear even at night.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 10:01 AM

oh im talking about the IR, not the VLT

as VLT, i can choose if i want it to be JPJ compliance (at least) or if i wanna go darker on my own is also ok.

now im just now sure if its worth paying for that extra 10% in question of our tropical weather

if lets say i pay 400 more just so that 10% can help cool my car down 30 seconds faster.. then i dont feel its worth it lol.

but if that 10% does impact a lot then i can consider the upgrade package

RM 400 let say use 6 years


One year average RM 66 extra oni wat

yea still undecided.
And still waiting Anthony Loke reveal the new tinting guidelines

damn just saw the news

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...ll-be-given-em/

okay i think i better wait for it too before i decide to go to the shop again

no need wait la. later pelanpelantunggu.com.my. current one is good enough. itupun only vlt saja.

front vlt 70%
side windows vlt 50%
rear vlt 30%

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 10:08 AM

can go for irr75% with vlt 50%. won't regret one. eventhough mine tser only 39% but good enough when you compare inside with tint and put your hand outside.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 10:12 AM

My bad.

Look at it this way. It is not about whether it can cool faster or not but different point of view. The sun is continuously shining on the car along the way. With more heat rejection, the aircon will kick in less often compare to the one with less heat rejection, thus reduce fuel consumption

Anyway, the IRR is not everything on heat rejection. The TSER (Total Solar Energy Rejection) is the specification you want to look for if provided. The IRR can be more than 70% but TSER is only 45% for example. Go for highest TSER within budget.

in that case

75% = 46% TSER
85% = 50% TSER

so that 4% worth to upgrade? for Rm400 ahahaha

Worth as long as you feel good about it.

so the 4% does make a big difference when it comes to TSER?

Yes, bro..if leather seats lagi need to pay more. I'm using v-kool elite now, money well spent.

50% for front is really really dark, especially at night.
And its quite obvious during a road block.

Even 70% still can see your face clearly

Mine is double layer, still got warranty for the tint
original is safety tint from manufacturer, just layer tint on top.

JPJ compliance, got warranty or not?
Mine from Raytech, they give warranty, if JPJ kacau, saman they pay.

It cannot comply.... because the original screen already has some tint....my very expensive vkool 70%vlt tint is theoretically compliant, but at puspakom, it reads only 64% so had to strip off....

IR only contributes about 50% of your TSER.

so if IR 10%, .. is about 5% of TSER.

oh damn, yes my car is leather seat.

so the 4% TSER does help a lot if its leather seats huh?


so recommended to put 70% for windshield?
4 windows = 50%
rear = 50%? (although can go 30%, but i am just a bit OCD haha)

meaning to say, 50% is quite dark already at night? lol

i also went to raytech and they told me its JPJ compliance. maybe i should ask them again on the saman thing

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 10:46 AM

mine 39% tser is good enough.
if you ask me, 46% is ok. rm400 go use for something else.

windshield must 70% vlt.
side windows 50% vlt max
rear 30% max

even mine 50% can see clear from inside.
actually you are the same feel like me before.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 10:48 AM

i know but i wanna tweak it a bit by going either:

1. 70% front, 50% all around

or

2. 50% for the whole thing (rear/front/sides)

will the 50% be way too dark at night to not notice the interior and people sitting inside? or its okay?

jpj compliant must use 70% at front.

before


new tint




This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 10:55 AM

If you have rear shades, you may consider not needing to darken the rear windows beyond 50%.

I run 70/60/60 for 2 of my cars, but the darkest one is 60/30/30, but mainly because the car is black.

Does it help too much when you parked in the sun for the whole day? not really lol (and I use reflective shades inside when parked). But does it help when you are DRIVING in the hot sun? hell yeah

I've gotten away with the 60/30/30 for years mainly because I just open the sunroof. its a big one, so it lets A LOT of light in. they never bothered to pull me over.

my friend's 50% front never kena also, mostly because of luck. however, he has some issues driving in the dark, and far worse if it is raining.

This post has been edited by ViktorJ: Nov 28 2018, 10:56 AM

im using 3m...

if left under hot blazing sun..yes inside the car still hot but the panel expose to sunlight is warm and still comfortable to touch....inside cool faster when u on air con and start driving...that my exp...

if that is the case, i'll go for the 75% and save the RM400
winding down the window for 30 seconds after u get into the car cools the car faster

Thanks for asking because it makes me wanted to know also. Here is what I found out. I take an example from 3M Crystaline series. Here is the data:

CR70
TSER=50%
IRR=97%
UVR=99%
Glare Reduction=22%

CR60
TSER=53%
IRR=97%
UVR=99%
Glare Reduction=32%

CR50
TSER=56%
IRR=97%
UVR=99%
Glare Reduction=44%

CR40
TSER=60%
IRR=97%
UVR=99%
Glare Reduction=55%

CR20
TSER=62%
IRR=97%
UVR=99%
Glare Reduction=77%

Maybe it will not answer to your satisfaction but ut seems to me even the small percentage is probably significant. See how the IRR and UVR number did not change at all. Looks like it is not easy to gain the TSER but do you think the CR70 vs CR50 will not have significant heat reduction? The TSER difference is only 6%. With CR40 it is only 10%. I guess it might be significant and something you can sense in real world. Just my opinion.

It should be min instead of max

what i mean is max limit can go.
min 70% vlt.
max 30% vlt.
btw vlt term = visible light transmission levels.
lower number doesn't mean small number also.
i correct also.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:03 AM

bro, i know JPJ compliance is 70/50/30

but what i meant was i dunno if i should go for 70%/50% for 4 windows + rear

or 50% for all windows including windshield and rear


so 50% is harder to see huh

in that case i may consider 70% then for front while 50% for every other window

as i often (actually everyday) drive through dark alleys at night due to bad lighting system around my housing area.


haha but that 30 secs was just my opinion, im not really sure on the difference how the 75-85% IR and 46-50% TSER come into play

thats why im asking if its worth or not.. its within my budget but if can save, why not

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 11:03 AM

how much is the top up between the different tint models?

50% vlt front
1) harder to see at night, raining
2) hight chance kena tahan

your choice.

if ts still hard to choose, i think you should get inside a car with a same spec tint that you want.



This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:07 AM

i would say too small to tell
for me who is cheapskate, i would save that RM400

let ts pening with choices.
we both already knew the outcome anyway. lol.
btw, mine's bias because also put soundproof. lol.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:10 AM

if put sunshades won't have problems with JPJ right?

save some money also if compare to install tint

you have to cabut sunshade when got jpj roadblock. because sunshade also non jpj compliant.
i done that before. in the end i also bosan because cabut pasang every times. put tint is better for me.
i already adjusting to 50% vlt, when guard want to see my face, i just roll down the windows la.
when at 10am or super bright noon, 50% vlt is actually visible from outside like using 65-70% vlt.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:15 AM

No idea. I never use 3M

I was also so surveying on tints to replace for my car, then end up say got new guidelines so waiting for that news

pelanpelantunggu.com.my

you want to wait for all round 30% vlt ka?



This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:20 AM

As long as you won't get pulled-off by JPJ then its worth it. Good tint lasts easily 5-8 years and provided if the shop didn't chap lap sure why now.

Just don't be those cb kia that use reflective tint that cause glare to other drivers on a sunny day can dy.

now i think again..

no point waiting because it wont go lower than 30% for sure. lol

either they will make it 70% for all (which will affect 95% of tinted car owners)

or make it 50% minimum

might even increase the rear 30% back to 50%

Advice to use sun shades.
Nowadays ask you to take car to puspakom and bring them the test.

pandai.
so far current spec is good enough.
imo 70% front is a must, rest 50% at least.

actually the current spec is this.

70% for the front windscreen, 50% for the front side windows, and 30% for the rear windows including the rear windscreen.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:31 AM

ya i think i will go for 70% front and 50% everywhere else

rear can go 30% but i very OCD

is like 1 side bright, 1 side dark.. feel like kereta kena potong

no consistency in the tint appearance

I using compliant tint + this shade for back seat, never kena block

don't like shade for front seats, blocking view.

jpj will only inspect the front side only, because main point is driver's view.
that's why logic now can 30% at rear side windows and rear windscreen.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 11:37 AM

What if all windows 75% but front only 15%. what are the chances?

you go to hell earlier than expected
higher blindspot.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 12:02 PM

they will apply 2nd tint on top of current one

okay thanks for the info. i think i'll stick with current tint since the car is still new.

70/30 for all easy

30 for sides + rear? lol

will it be too dark?

No, they will first, test the VLT compliance visually first, aka tengok pakai mata jer. If that one tak lepas, then, they will take out the equipment and measure it. Sometime, if u unlucky, they don't bring the equipment, then, they will give u memo ask u drive to JPJ office for them to test, where they got equipment. Some shop, they even got the equipment, so, after tint, u can measure on the spot oso.

If u tell the shop u want strictly JPJ compliant tint, they will tell u which one, and that one, if u kena saman, u bring the saman to the shop, they kaotim for u. Whether it is dark enuff for u or not, lain cerita lah......

If front screen is 70 light comes in so you're fine


Or huper optik 60/40/40 arrangement, cover saman

i see, i gotta ask if that shop got provide such services or not then

oooo ok!

then i think i will go survey at huper optik shop first

will ask them hows the process

so huper optik has 60/40/40 ehy!

seems more "balanced", not too dark, not too visible.

whats the price range like?

Yes.

u go those big brand shop HQ, usually got....apa brand u targeting?

considering huper optik as they have 60/40

if not then just raytech at 70/50

This post has been edited by mafioso: Nov 28 2018, 04:47 PM

Get the higher one cause not every 3 years u wanna cabut and install new one

oic....i pakai raytech. Consider gooding after 3 weeks pakai

But, in term of heat rejection, ok lah, quite fast cool down. Glaring reduction, ok lah, not perfect until no need wear sunglasses when sun directly right in front of u (front windscreen, higher VLT, less dark). Side one ok, quite dark, which I myself oso bit surprise, can pass JPJ meh, they conlanfirm say no problem. Ok lah, trust their word, plus they say if kena saman, bring the saman for them.

Workmanship so so only.......coz many foreign workers, less experienced, still in training. But, after service is good. Mine because the windscreen not properly cleaned, got 1 minor dot of dust, then, tint. Go complain, no question asked (initial I tot maybe haven't dried), straight away remove and re-tint (before that ask me got time or not lah, coz need about 30-45 min to do). Compare to other brand, famous one oso.....taichi manyak cerita..........

So, if u mau raytech, make sure u check their workmanship properly......

u mau more details about my tint, u pm me.....

it's all about brand and workmanship and after sales service.

if brand is good but the dealer workmanship or after sales is bad also consider bad.

finding a dealer who is trust able is hard to find.

This post has been edited by iskazulka: Nov 28 2018, 05:36 PM

Always compare with tser

the one thing i always wonder is, how true is that 75% or 85% or whatever % they are saying? As a consumer we dont have a tool and device to actually measure it for ourself and we get exploited.

Unless there is some device to actually verify it would be handy and not by just feeling the IR for few sec when they demo the tint to us.

thats why im asking if its worth to pay the extra 400 or not

IR is 75% / 85%
TSER is 46% / 50%

Agreed, honestly speaking, Raytech brand, of course cannot compare those big boys like Llumar, VKool or 3M lah....that league of their own.

And, the quality, I can only say based on 3 weeks usage jer.....which I am quite satisfied.

Worksmanship, err....I would say need to be improved, but, they compensate with good customer service. The disadvantage is u need to check thoroughly their work, else, u got to come back to re-do. Just time factor only