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post Mar 11 2019, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(singk @ Mar 11 2019, 08:20 PM)
proton proclaims the persona FL is 32% cheaper to maintain in five years of ownership compared to Bezza. i'm surprised.
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From my experience of 30k service , the price are not real.
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post Mar 11 2019, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Mar 11 2019, 03:54 PM)
i plan to buy a used bezza X from a direct owner. If i settle his loan amount, can i keep his car until he transfer ownership at jpj, then only i release balance to him? If seller dont agree i keep his car, i only worry he wont do the transfer ownership after i settle his bank loan. if that the case, what can i do to protect my right as a buyer? Appreciate your advise to those who experienced buying used car from direct owner. TQ
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post Mar 18 2019, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 17 2019, 11:16 PM)
Hi, I am currently deciding whether to get a basic car for daily use in a small town like morning drive to market, sending kids to school, etc.. Forsee don't do much long distance travelling. Shall I consider Bezza 1.0L? I look at the owner lists, all are getting 1.3L variant.
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1.0 in safety the difference only rear headrest
If compare to advance it has ESC etc but for city drive most likely no need

1.0 will be cheaper to run and maintance
Road tax insurance interest and purchase price all will go down a significant percentage

For gxtra now 1.0 has same interior pattern as 1.3 , last time were all black in plastic

1.0 has more steering vibration and more engine noise but still ok , all Axia on road has the same engine.

I totally agree to buy 1.0 as you can save 7k if not mistaken compare to 1.3

You don't have keyless and push-start but I think not a issue at all.

1.0 worth the price , 1.3 overpriced in my opinion

And I not very satisfied with the product given that I paid 45k.
Proton Iriz/Persona will be a better product for that price but should be not as reliable as perodua .

Just my opinion driving 1.3premium .
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post Mar 19 2019, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Mar 19 2019, 03:52 PM)
Perodua cars are somewhat over priced imo.
Probably based it on their track record..
Just compare them with non Mitsubishi protons on the roads and u'll see some disparities..

Altho they've been "taken over" by Geely, I think there's still away to go before proton rids itself from the not so great oem suppliers, like the gearbox, Lucas brake system, etc..
And start getting Geely parts that Geely cam source in greater numbers and drive the prices down while integrity, performance, reliability up.

Once they get completely onboard with Geely's eco system, then we can make new and clean comparisons...
At the moment, there's still lots of legacy parts from the old proton designs that I'm not that comfortable with..

But having said all that..
If u have friends that have protons and perodua, it's highly advisable to get with them and and do longer drives with those cars to get a clearer and hopefully unbiased views on day to day ownership of said cars..

Luck!
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what is Lucas brake system? in my opinion proton iriz brake are way better than bezza >.<
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post Mar 19 2019, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 18 2019, 11:34 PM)
Thank you for the feed back, I will go to test drive it before making any decision.
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another few thing about accessory

1. speaker 1.0 got 2 , 1.3 got 4

2. audio system have no bluetooth ( now update got )

3. side signal light for 1.0 at front fender instead of side mirror

4. no fog lamp

5. no rear headrest

6. instrument cluster no orange lighting

7. keyless & pushstart

8. no original tinted ( not a good tint anyway , too light )

9. seat design are different i believe ( less bucket )

10. no rear usb charger

11. tyre are different brand i believe

12. no electric side mirror need manually adjust ( not sure )

13. door trims no fabric plain plastic

14. cannot adjust seat high @.@! ( i am not a tall person and i set the seat lowest , this is very important for driver )

15. only remote release for trunk ( 1.3 got a button at trunk there , you still need to have your key nearby , another near fuel release)

16. no front sensor ( i never use this )

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post Mar 19 2019, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Mar 19 2019, 05:54 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Industries

https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/MY...en_2084467.html

they did the braking system for proton...

things like ESC, ABS, control software and modules...
proton doesnt do these, they subcontract out..
just like their gearboxes...

since its done just for proton, and the amount of cars/modules supplied, their cost per unit is higher (usually la)

its like chinese MOQ (minimum order quantity) for a particular set price...
the lower the number, the higher the price..
proton's numbers are not much compared to toyota, honda, etc...

now, if we add proton's numbers of production to geely's, (with volvo etc, under geely's umbrella) then we'll get better price per unit..

there was a study once where its said that for a car manufacturer to break even is to have a in country (not counting exports) population of 70 million people...
msia doesnt have that n have 2 "national" car makers...

proton's ratio of cars exported and sold in country are negligible when compared to other carmakers like toyota, honda, vw, merc, bmw, etc...
in other words, proton's main customers are msians...

all these things point to very unfavourable conditions for proton to survive on its own without bail out money...
its ALL about the numbers...
proton cannot survive in a free market world where there's no additional protective taxes on foreign made cars...

in a way, proton (and other GLC companies) have been a burden to the rakyat no matter how u see it..

msia shud have left the car industry (which was already saturated with lots of other players in the world) alone and channel its efforts to mabbe aerospace (like Embraer of Brazil), or mabbe medical science... something that leap frogs the current meta of current tech..

all that money spent on proton, perwaja steel, MAS etc...

anyway, hind sight is always 20/20... sorry for rant...
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Proton brake has no problem in my opinion , gearbox was cvt without torque converter thus it was laggy compare to torque converter as the clutch need to adapt first by computer. ESC if not mistaken they use bosch , all these company are " Big " and well known company i believe , maybe they provide different quality of product for different price

Agree on your point that car industry competitor was too strong and our own country population cant support this business much.

Agree on another point as well , so many others thing that we can focus on , but i do see alot of " Genius " here going oversea only........

should not go too far on this topic >.<



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post Mar 23 2019, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Mar 23 2019, 04:54 PM)
I'm contemplating between X & advance. Is 6k additional worth for the highest spec? Pls do tell me pro & cons as well. TQ
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Body kit
Leather Seat ( semi real I believe )
AntiRollBar at rear ( not very sure )
ESC etc.... ( Stability control which heard aid in handling , feel more stable )
TouchScreenHeadUnit
BiggerSpeaker total 4
Start-Stop
RegenarativeBraking ( not sure if you will feel different in driving )
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Steering leather wrap with control
Reverse camera
Different design 15inch rim
SideMirror can electric control retract

Should be no more

Advance has high satisfactory owner from my observation , but priced at 51k for a A segment car .....
( The bigger segment are wider )
Picanto A , Myvi B , Civic C , Camry D

I won't spend so much when there are other choices for the same price

Myvi 4 airbag esc
Iriz/persona ESC across variant

The best example will be compare saga highest variant to bezza price

The advantages I can see will be the most reliable sedan at this price , no more than that. ( My car has various small problem though)

Do not buy car for grab , July are new laws started implement , alot might quit and increase cost etc... And we driver income has been reducing time by time

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post Mar 25 2019, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Mar 25 2019, 07:34 PM)
May I know your reasoning?
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Actually it depend on what you need or want , we cant say this it not good or whatever , if you plan to buy a good sedan full of feature dont mind the value as long below 50k for example , or you want value for money etc etc , there were pro and cons for this car , you want cheap to maintain then at first you should not go to the highest spec as it was overpriced in my opinion , thus you can buy the lowest spec to save even more , if you dont mind about money so much then why not try proton persona or kia picanto ? as that 2 might provide a better quality or even value for money , just the maintenance resales value and fuel will be higher.
by all mean , those car when compare to bezza high spec are in the same price range.
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post Mar 28 2019, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(gld998 @ Mar 28 2019, 01:48 PM)
You forgot the mention airbags... I think the advance have 4 or 6 airbags compared to lower spec variants.
Accident time, survival is key, I have standard sedan cars get whack by trailers and its scary!! icon_question.gif 

Money can earn but you only have 1 life. console.gif
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Bezza only have 2 airbag , and priority for safety , go for proton. also i really recommend youngster getting Proton Iriz/Persona for it safety
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post Mar 28 2019, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(_Zephyre_ @ Mar 28 2019, 03:17 PM)
The Bezza only has 2 front airbags throughout the range.

Like the previous poster said, for better safety within a similar price range, it might be better to look at the Iriz or Persona - 6 airbags and ESC across the range (and tougher steel too, I heard), even though both the Bezza and the Protons achieved 5-star ANCAP ratings.
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iriz/persona only top spec 6 airbag , that also about 55k for top spec.

Proton use up to 1500mpa grade steel , while Perodua use 590.

those test were base on a car hitting a wall , at this time the car will just need to cover it own weight
while at real world , when you are hitting a heavier and bigger car , you need to cover the stronger one.
this might be a great example , a kid fist vs a man fist , both hitting the wall feel the same pain on themselves , but when the kid vs the man .........

accord has 4star ncap and bezza has 5star ncap
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info about safety for car can be find on various test lab website , iihs.org , euroncap , aseanncap , ancap

this is for everyone

a few rules to judge a car safety although not necessary true
( example the Mazda CX5 that drop to sea from penang bridge , because higher car has higher center of gravity , thus more chance to have roll over )

1. size ( the bigger the safer )
2. weight ( the heavier the safer )
3. height ( the higher the safer )
4. structure and design

then should be those safety feature , also a car handling like moose test etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcD4WeuiI3s << an example of both car with 5star rating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NESquSzqPHM << volvo

the use of rating -
let say kancil , they cant even save themself and failed at test
kancil vs kancil - both car will gone
bezza vs bezza - both car will safe

atlast , speed kill , regardless of protection.

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post Mar 29 2019, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(gld998 @ Mar 29 2019, 07:19 AM)
Drive a Ford Ranger XLT 2.2. Full specs with 6 airbags. Definitely safer then any sedan or SUV.
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I not really sure about Ford Ranger structure , but most pickup and lorry , they their strongest was the ladder frame ( basically the underbody ) only are super strong , and the above was weak ( a-pillar and above ). If they vs car , they win , but if truck vs truck , both gg.

anyway due to their height compare to normal road car , yes they are much safer.




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post Mar 29 2019, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Mar 29 2019, 10:37 PM)
check tire pressure, tire threads, brakes, water n oil levels, etc...

just came back from a solo road trip (friends were busy) up to teluk anson, sitiawan, Lumut, then back on hyway 5 by the coast...

joined the NSE and doing 110-120 kph...

did it at 18+ kmL
with some overtaking along the B roads..

the tire roar/noise along some of the rough roads is LOUD...
lol

total of 400+ km done on this trip..
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Bezza tyre noise is an unacceptable level for me. nearly cant talk actually , need to raise some voice. and the resonance , echo......

but on new tar road , total silence >.<

not really sure about rear passenger noise , but for driver , very loud
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post Mar 31 2019, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 31 2019, 05:02 PM)
For resale value in later years. Which one can commands a better TV?

Bezza 1.0 or 1.3 Premium?
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what is TV?

lower price depreciate lesser , if just plan to use for few year , can consider 2nd hand car.
as i check price on carlist , 2nd hand 1.0 seem better priced.
you can check and see , what i notice is original different is about 7k , but 2nd hand price diff is about 3-4k
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post Mar 31 2019, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 31 2019, 06:34 PM)
Typo error. RV.

Planning to use the car for between 7 to 10 years as of now. So a used one will be a better buy?
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7-10years buy new car thumbsup.gif

Budget and Reason why bezza?

forget about RV , choose the one you need.

1.3 will be a better car than 1.0 but if want save up the most then 1.0 will do.

but does 1.3 worth the selling price or not you judge yourself.
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post Apr 1 2019, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(jtan.pdr @ Apr 1 2019, 12:36 PM)
ya, certain stretch of rough roads is old and needs resurfacing.
plus heavy trucks use these roads also.

from the trip:
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Wa 19.7 very very good , mine max reach 16++

that day used Iriz go Teluk Intan ( An Soon ) , and back , ave. 6.5l/km , about 15.3km/l

significant different on fuel consumption , but handling thumbsup.gif , somehow feel suspension not enough support , body rigidity was there.
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post Apr 1 2019, 05:29 PM

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Hi all , anyone know why Bezza 1.3 air filter so expensive?

i checked with the link below
1.0 axia , bezza , alza price 40++
1.3 price 110++
1.3/1.5 myvi + aruz price 70

Wasn't Myvi 1.3 use the totally same engine and gearbox with the Bezza 1.3??

( refer Air Cleaner Filter )
http://www.perodua.com.my/service-maintena...wmyvi-1300cc/40

you can change the car type but maintain the service interval
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post Apr 1 2019, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Ciypher @ Apr 1 2019, 06:52 PM)
I can only make an educated guess that the Myvi use locally made Proganti Filter while the Bezza uses Indo made Denso with Daihatsu branding Filter...
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Educated guess mean that someone told you so? if the item are different then i am ok with the price , if totally same thing and simply put a price.......
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post Apr 3 2019, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Apr 3 2019, 10:47 AM)
hi guys,

Is it a good time to get bezza 1.3 Auto advance right now?
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As long got discount and the car suit you should be ok , dint see any news about bezza going to update.

how much you got for the quote , 50k?

maybe for you 7-10k different was not much money , but if use percentages to count , that was 20% from 50k.
10k enough for you to maintain the car for 3years? included petrol everything

If you can afford , go for base spec honda / toyota , they are a much better car. ( in term of overall quality )

bezza overall isn't a bad car , just that overpriced.

sorry talk abit more , let say your Saving was 1k per month , that will cost you 10month of saving.

for me that was alot of money especially at my age 27, that it can be use for alot others thing such as investment , down payment for house , etc etc.

and i dont get the point of buying overpriced economic car.

if you like bezza alot and money was not a concern at first , then yes , or this was your only car in the house and you will use it to fetch others alot , then yes. you can consider MPV like Alza Ertiga as well.

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post Apr 3 2019, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Apr 3 2019, 02:08 PM)
appreciate your advice. Well, i only aiming for bezza atm as the price and fuel consumption better than honda or toyota. However for driving comfort, honda and toyota sure win as a better car....Hmm, i guess bezza X could be a better option but i dont want to regret later where other safety function like ABS, HA and EBD which cant be add on for X.

I really hope perodua will do a facelift on the interior by replacing all turning old school knob to digital....In this era, turning knob really piss me off. Even new myvi comes with digital button control.

Like my earlier post before, im still contemplating to choose X or advance. Well, from your advice, definitely to get X right. Ive been aiming since last year even before SST kicks in...Regret didnt order that time. More worse, bezza booking now needs 2 to 3 months time....really speechless for a car that already 3 years old in the market. Perodua must have a malfunction brain. If you think bezza is a best seller, so produce more la....like that also cannot think properly. Suffer to those who want to buy. doh.gif
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I prefer 1.0 since the interior has no different currently , but you do lack certain things especially seat adjuster.
if you want safety then go for proton iriz/persona ( Same Price Range ). Advanced version has it good , the only thing is price.

Honda can have same fc with perodua , you can ask some honda owner , their 1.5 are fuel save with the cvt. ( what i heard from my friend )

At last is your choice since you are paying for the car.

Last question here , have you test drive Proton Persona? ( If not , you should )

Myvi has better safety than Bezza , premium x has additional 2 airbag while lower price.

https://www.carbase.my/perodua/myvi/d20n/1....emium-x-at-2018

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post Apr 4 2019, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(kratosgrab @ Apr 4 2019, 12:40 PM)
I don't have good feelings towards proton car. Still prefer Perodua made car.
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just test drive and give feedback here , perodua car are " for sure " more reliable than Proton and more fuel save , but there were things that worth to buy a proton too.

alot people , include my friend all , never test drive proton and straight go buy perodua d , and buying perodua can never test drive straight buy, haha

just try all the model in your price range

Picanto , Persona , Myvi , Bezza

My friend bought a Mazda 2 , at first he test drive Polo , he tell us confirm buy Polo d , i keep told him test drive others model , Peugeot , Mazda , Ford , all same price range why not test drive , at last he choose Mazda 2. ( he dint test drive ford and peugeot )

Test drive only , take some time , this is 50k investment and you going to use it everyday for years.

Economic wise , Perodua still the best to go la , just see you can find anything that worth change your mind from other car.

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