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post Dec 21 2018, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 21 2018, 01:00 PM)
anyone just walk in.. see see the galleries.. later ask for calendars. they give u??
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yes and they were very generous. based on my experience in 2017 & 2018 in getting calendars and angpao packs.

request 1 and they will ask again whether that's enough.

in other perspectives, it's actually helping the company to create brand awareness and strengthen traditional marketing.

"budget" must be created for value creation activities to uplift financial outlook.
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post Dec 21 2018, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 21 2018, 11:37 AM)
ASB lowest dividen giveout ever in history.
Thanks to the change in government. Thank you PH. Thank you LGE.
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Nothing to do with LGE actually.

Juz you prefer no change in government that offered you rumahwip in bukit jalil.
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post Dec 21 2018, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 21 2018, 08:06 PM)
Aiyooo.... How many times needed to say leh...
PIDM is kinda "useless". They don't really have the funds to " cover"... Please refer back previous post by @vanitas 🙏
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PIDM has base reserves, at least (few Bil and it's growing), whereas PNB has zero base.

Whilst the government power and the interjection can happen, they usually decide to mitigate on bigger/major issue.

Also why must all banks collapsed at same time, it can be closed down due to badly managed or unsustainable business or poor m&a.

So don't think it can be conclusive.

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post Dec 21 2018, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 21 2018, 11:02 PM)
yes. I agreed PIDM got some reserved.... but PNB zero based? it's new info to me... care to explain  icon_question.gif

I don't think there's any history of banks collapsed / bankrupt in Malaysia  hmm.gif
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what i meant is for same ground of comparison, PNB does not hav protection like PIDM, they rely on the reserves.

that's the thing. if no banks bankrupt b4, then the probability to have all banks bankrupt at one time is even more insignificant.

this basically is just vanitas self PIDM methodology on "fund not enough" to pay every account holders.

PIDM remains PIDM, coverage remains coverage, stated in black and white that's all.

Government intervention can be anything and anytime, not necessarily they need to save ASNB 1st b4 bank holders or vice versa.
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post Dec 21 2018, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 21 2018, 11:00 PM)
well, on the other hand, we don't expect all the banks to collapse at one time. and pidm only covers up to 250k per person per bank. i suppose many don't have that much amount of money. as for the rich fellas, you may be right that it's 'useless' for them.
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yes agreed.

to add, it is 250k for each and every bank.

haha so just put multiple 250k at different banks lo.
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post Dec 21 2018, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 21 2018, 11:30 PM)
Quick math, 250k x 20000 = 5b.
Assume Malaysia population is 30m, 1% of high net worth individual = 300k.
Assume only 1 bank bankrupt out of 15 banks.

So PIDM only able to cover that 1% people?
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this math formula is not valid, because malaysia population does not equal to bank account holders.

if PIDM can only cover 1% people like you said, then ASNB can cover how many %?

using reserves is not a protection/coverage mechanism by default.
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post Dec 21 2018, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 21 2018, 11:44 PM)
I just counting HNWI, and HNWI without a bank, very new to me, keep under bed huh?

It is not if, it is fact. For ASNB case, I will run if it got no reserves, I told you before.
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That's not make sense either. Compensation scheme is to cover a pool of shareholders, not specific person.

No facts showing if a billionaire is one of account holder, the insurance company pay to him first and/or pay to him only.

Up to 250k means it will be distributed, regardless of whether a person is HNWI or not.

On the reserves part since u mentioned it, then it is same way of doing/operating business.

BNM and Private Banks also got their reserves mah.
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post Dec 22 2018, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 21 2018, 11:58 PM)
I am just giving example PIDM doesn't have the fund to pay 1% of HNWI, didn't said must priority give them first. And you are right, it should be distributed fairly regardless b40 or t20.

Fact>>
PIDM reserves is few billions, while total FD by Malaysians is 800+ billions, without counting saving accounts. It is fact that PIDM only has the fund to cover 1% of total FD by Malaysians.
So it doesn't need all banks bankrupt, just 1% bank bankrupt may cost everything of PIDM.

Opinion>>
On the reserves part, everyone got their own opinions, and I doesn't say my opinion is correct or wrong.
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as mentioned that's the extreme case, coverage remains as coverage, same goes to any insured scheme.

it is for purpose not for speculation/estimation/assumption.

on pidm perspective, it remains yes for banks and no for asnb.
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post Dec 22 2018, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 22 2018, 09:01 AM)
Fact 1: PIDM got few billions reserves.
Fact 2: Total FD by Malaysians is over 800 billions.
Fact 3: Banks got PIDM, asnb no.
Fact 4: PIDM should be fairly distributed if possible, not by b40 first.
Fact 5: Anyone (especially HNWI and T20) could put 250k in conventional and Islamic, and different banks for their FD. So actually it is not 250k insured per person, but up to 250k x 2 (conventional and Islamic) x 15 (number of banks that he may subscribe, estimate figure only), which is up to 7.5m. And I haven't taking count spouse, parents, kids accounts for the rich.

Nothing speculative above. All facts, up to readers here to interpret.
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Only after I corrected some and challenged on the status quo from other perspectives.
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post Dec 22 2018, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 22 2018, 11:12 AM)
Well, it is not the first time, even maybank also face similar case...

So for me, I safely ignore pidm, fixed price, or only profit can distribute dividend thing...

I only trust "power", as long as the "power" want how, then it is how...
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post Dec 23 2018, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 23 2018, 12:20 PM)
- TH is a saving product, hence it can be capital guaranteed.
- ASNB is a fund, there is other capital guaranteed fund, but ASNB fixed price fund doesn't fit in the definition, so they use the term fixed price.

It is all about how rule and law set, so some can uses the term capital guarantee, some can't (if not mistaken epf also can't use the term).

Also due to how rule and law set, some banks can't be protected by PIDM, but other entities.

Edit 1: PIDM did a very good job on gaining confidence on capital protection. A lot of people prefers PIDM than guaranteed by MoF or government of Malaysia.

Edit 2: or can anyone explain the differences between fixed price and capital guaranteed? How can it be fixed price but not capital guaranteed? Even the unit worth 0.5, as long as it is fixed price, you can still sell at 1.0. Unless it is 0.
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fixed priced merely the price of units being fixed, it can have positive or negative cashflow/gearing in the accounts and losing capability to pay you back even it stands at 1.0000 or whatsoever.

capital guaranteed you'll able to get back totality of money invested from day one (by fund company). basically it is just how the investment being structured (supported by contribution plans and hedge mechanism); either highly investing into low-risks or skew towards higher risks returns.
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post Dec 23 2018, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 23 2018, 12:29 PM)
Given gov is the one borrow / issue bond, and they could print money, of course can guarantee...
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nothing is guaranteed in this world especially investment
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QUOTE(dlttdltt @ Apr 2 2019, 02:41 PM)
I'm at the maybank branch now for withdrawal. And they say the can't print out the statement anymore. Is this true or they just don't want to do it?
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i just printed the statement at maybank, which shows last year vs this year in single page . no issue at all.

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