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 Clearing stocks before the coming crash, what have I missed out in the analysis?

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prophetjul
post May 7 2019, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 5 2019, 08:11 PM)
Just watched an interesting video

https://www.ted.com/talks/michele_wucker_wh...ion?language=en

About not seeing or accepting what is happening right infront of us, the gray rhinos.

Her real estate in NY nearly doubled in 4 years and she sold it as she saw the writing on the wall before the 2008 financial crisis. I hope that I can also use that line later with the sale of my shares recently. Ha.

See how relevant are her 3 points to you.

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Did stocks doubled in the last 4 years? That's 18% pa CAGR. I think that figure for stocks is inadequate for the last blow off leg.
Maybe a 30% CAGR for 3 years for stocks may be more appropriate since its a financial note unlike property.

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post Mar 23 2020, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 23 2020, 09:15 AM)
Another -2000 points tonight
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post Mar 23 2020, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 23 2020, 09:57 AM)
It is pandemic and country lockdown cause recent crash.

Pandemic and country lockdown will stay forever?
People won't be travelling again?

This is several key questions we need to ask ourselves.

Yes, the damage done is really severe, which I viewed is more severe than 2008, but I don't think it is end of the world.
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If this drags on for some time, people will lose their jobs and this will cause social unrest, especially in the capitalists countries.
Already Australians are feeling the pinch.


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post Mar 23 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 23 2020, 10:16 AM)
NEW YORK state is the one to watch.

Risk of financial center shutdown?
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post Mar 23 2020, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Mar 23 2020, 11:31 AM)
Worst than 1997 when klse <300?
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The index compnents were different then Plus many of these companies have grown leaps and bounds.
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post Apr 10 2020, 10:38 AM

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-wi...t-it-2020-04-09



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post Apr 16 2020, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 15 2020, 05:27 PM)
I don't know it may last how many couple of years.
But previous 2008 financial crisis, the QE worked for 10+ years.
Now the QE magnitude is even bigger than last time.

I don't know why some worry about the country debt too much or Fed balance sheet. 

Debt in country level is not the same as company or individual.

Company - bank will chase you to pay back the principal + interest.

Country level - no one ask to pay back the principal, as long as they have the ability to serve the interest promptly. And with near zero interest rate, not much interest to pay for.

Even the country pay back the principal, typically like treasuries, those trillion of USD money, where to go? Buy newer issued treasuries, there is little avenue for those trillion of money to go to.

Another difference
Company no money to pay debt? bankrupt.

Country no money to pay debt in their currency denomination? Print the money, at the expense of inflation aka money become smaller. Once inflation set in, debt is partially solved, or kicked down the road forever, as long as the inflation is contained at rate that is not too severe.

Newer debt feeding old debt especially at country level is a continuous process of kicking down the road, and can last very very long or solved by inflation as well.
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No Fed or Gov in their right mind will want fix a debt problem. It will mean reset.

So the rational thing is to KICK THE POVERBIAL CRSIS CAN DOWN THE POVERBIAL ROAD!
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post Apr 19 2020, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 18 2020, 06:25 PM)
Hi bro,.... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

Well,... I have done the following :-

1) Took profit on Frasers Centrepoint Trust when I started becoming suspicious,... I held this counter for a few years.

2) Took profit on Netlink NBN Trust, held for a few years too.

3) Cutloss on Lendlease GCR yesterday when it rose to 0.64,...

4) Over many buys, bought more of and averaged-down the US-, European- and UK-based SG REITs.

5) Averaged-down Sasseur REIT.

6) Averaged-down Capital Mall Trust.

Thinks that abt covered it all,... don't know if I have made money,.. because I poured back everything into the mkt,... and still holding cash now,...

Bought too slowly,...
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I sold

In March at downturn

50% of EC World
100% of Sasseur
50% of IREIT

held Accordia
AIMS
Cromwell OUCH! Too slow

BOught back IREIT
EC world

Bought Ascendas
Lippo

Sold Lippo laugh.gif
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post Apr 28 2020, 09:21 AM

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One thing for sure, looks like deflation is rearing its head.
Negative treasury yields. Now negative oil futures.
Everything is pissing air out of its highly inflated insides
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post Apr 28 2020, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 28 2020, 10:00 AM)
Negative oil futures is about speculation that went fail or the buyer of futures can't take the delivery hence needs to "force sell" when near settlement.

The money pumped doesn't 100% go into the real economy, and lot of them ended up in financial market instead.
That's why some people complained why real economy is facing difficulty time, while stock or investment market keep on going up.
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Deflation is when supply outstrips demand. There is a lot of oil stocks presently.
The futures was negative fir that reason. And don't be surprise to see another negative come up again. Storage is running out very fast
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post Apr 28 2020, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 28 2020, 10:10 AM)
The decade old of oil is running out myth is debunked totally, remembered 12 years ago when people said oil is running out, that sent price to USD120. 

It doesn't make sense for physical delivery seller to sell at negative price, USD 10 or USD5, yes may be due to oversupply, but not negative -37.
The oil futures is still in contango situation.
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Yeah

Peak oil theory. Till they used shale oil.
Well, basically the oil producers cannot store the oil any longer.
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post Apr 29 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(propertyfeature @ Apr 29 2020, 09:26 AM)
Same, I have been buying my targeted shares in parts. Waiting for a large correction, then will start to buy big
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What IF the Biggie does not come?

OR How long are you going to wait for this event? What are your triggers in the event the correction does not come?

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post Apr 30 2020, 10:00 AM

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But Fed will QE to infinity. So says Powell

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-powell-c...-213347357.html

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell called on Congress to provide further support to households and businesses as the COVID-19 shutdown continues to grip the U.S. economy.

“This is the time to use the great fiscal power of the United States to do what we can do to support the economy and try to get through this with as little damage to the longer-run productive capacity of the economy as possible,” Powell said in a press conference on Wednesday.
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post May 6 2020, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 5 2020, 02:25 PM)

And guru Sokoloff is into gold, good news for the gold followers. Didn't know that price of physical gold can be higher than paper gold (ETF etc), like it is now. Maybe it has always been like that, I didn't know.
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That's me. Since 2002. laugh.gif

Paper gold is manipulated gold price. The short side play on gold is just criminal. Now that the mines and mints are closed due to Covid19, there is a bad shortage. Physical holds a 15 to 20% premium presently.

Cheerio.
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post May 6 2020, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 6 2020, 09:05 AM)
Wah, the first Golden Sifu here! Ha.

Where do you keep your physical gold? Dont mention it here as some may ... Ha.

2 questions:

A. Besides being a precious metal, what other reasons prompted you to get it as an investment asset (eg vs silver etc)?
B. What is your plan for the coming years, cash out or continue to build your Fort Knox?

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A. In 1999. i was reading about how banks were using cheap money and basically leveraging about 10 times on the deposits to create loans through the fractional accounting system. How CBs are just lining up banks with easy money. Which they are. Like now.
So after 3 years of research, i took the plunge.
My preaching line to my friends was "The returns will be better than FDs over the next 5 years"
Gold in MYR was 1100 at the time. So essentially its a hedge for my savings, not really an investment.

B. Since gold savings has become a substantial portion of my total asset, i have taken profits along the way and also bought more.
So i have traded a certain portion of the gold holdings in paper. BAD ME!
But as i look at the charts, i noticed a pattern forming like that of the early years for me.

In2008, when there was QE, gold price retraced from 900 to 680 and then zoomed to 1900 in 2011. That time QE was only $900 billion to $4.5 trillion in the books of the FED.
Today, its much more that that.

i also noticed that the so called cup and handle pattern which formed in 2008 to 2010 is also noticed in 2011 to present day. See the cup pattern forming there, the bottom being 1050. If we see gold dropped to 1600 to 1650 to form the handle, i will take another major position.
This cup and handle pattern is supposedly a very powerful pattern to catapult the price to 3000.
In 2008, it went from 680 to 1900. Will we see it going from 1050 to 3000?
We will see.
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post May 7 2020, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 6 2020, 02:53 PM)
Thanks. I still cannot bring myself to invest in gold. It is not like other products where there are industrial usages (yes, gold is used in electronic products but demand is more fear driven). Maybe I will try gold producers as they are actually producing something. Ha.
My layman's view, when the gold price comes down, maybe it means economy is getting better. Then still worthwhile to try it?
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Gold is not a commodity. To me, its a hedge against incessant money printing, which happened in 2008 and happening now.
Therefore, I find it better than FD.

Gold producers is a totally different thing.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 7 2020, 09:37 AM)

Thanks. Yes, read that investing in gold is better than investing in gold producers. But I also read that some say gold producers are better. My mindset is like this, invest in gold producers when the gold price is on the uptrend. High gold prices, these producers will also make good money. Maybe not as much as gold. When gold price is on the downward trend, gold producers will get a smaller margin. Then get out of these shares. Too simplistic to be workable? Maybe, maybe not.  sweat.gif  confused.gif

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Invest in the right one, you will hit jackpot.
Gold producers are like gold derivatives due to its equity characteristics.

For eg, lets say that their profit is $100 p oz sold and its P/E is 15 and gold price is $1000 and share price is $15

If gold goes to $1100, its profit goes up to $200 p oz sold. Suddenly share price may rise to $30 , all things being equal. smile.gif

So there is a tremendous leverage on price of gold.

Presently, its very good for producers with price of oil down at the basement as fuel costs is a very expense component of most mines.
Unless they are heavily hedged on higher oil prices! laugh.gif

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post May 7 2020, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 7 2020, 10:09 AM)
Gold has little industrial uses, is a purely speculative commodity almost like BTC. Many claimed gold is a hedge against inflation or excessive fiat money printing. However, gold price didn't move in correlation with u.s fed qe all the time.
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Gold price does not move in tandem with QE. I have already shown that in the last QE in 2008, it deflated with the rest of assets. and only took off from 680 to 1900 in 2009.

That's the reason why its said in 1900, an oz bought a 2 piece suit. In 2019, it still does.
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post May 8 2020, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 7 2020, 02:23 PM)
Actually, no one knows for sure what will be the final outcome of printing so much money (USDs) out there. The only thing we know,.. or rather I'll speak for myself,.. I know,... is based on this action since 2008, the economy has managed to 'come back up' and asset prices grew and grew. This is the observation,... based on historical events,...

When you invest in gold producers, you are taking on the risk of the producing company too. You are not benefitting on the direct 'inverse correlation' of gold vs other financial assets. I believe gold is the portfolio stabilizer for the future, not bonds or Treasuries anymore,... JMHO.
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Yeah. Gold helped me to steady my portfolio recently due to the rout in equities.

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 7 2020, 07:58 PM)
Convert the vertical column to MYR, then hit yourself again. Harder..😆
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Yeah......gold is also a hedge for MYR vs USD. Gold is at its highest ever in MYR terms. thumbup.gif
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post May 8 2020, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 8 2020, 08:40 AM)
You see identical trend on both 2008 and 2020 on gold price.
Gold price dipped together with equities or when economy recession, as investors will have a mindset of sell everything (just like happened during mid March) including gold to raise cash in turmoil time, but rise back afterward when massive QE being announced.

Nothing to do with economy goind bad and gold price rise. It is QE that pushed up the gold price.
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Lets hope they behave the same way!

In 2009, it went from 680 to 1900. QE = 4.5T

2020, QE = 20T? 1600 to ?

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