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post Apr 18 2020, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 18 2020, 11:00 AM)
Local Malaysian instis are ur normal suspects + private unit trust funds. Ppl like Epf and PNB always like to buy when foreign sell and when foreign comes back they sell.

Malaysian Retail at 23% is about the same levels in the past year or so, which is at a lower range. Historically I recall it's always been between 20-30%.

Fed is now buying ETF.. But not equity ETF at the moment. They are buying fixed income ETF.

Fed buys bonds and bond etf from banks and funds, creating new money out of thin air and handing it over to these institutions. Some of these money go to the equity market, which is a smaller market than the bond market.
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Noticed EPF, KWAP and AmanahRaya buying especially EPF.

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post Apr 19 2020, 04:44 PM

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What do you all think of Ascendas-india trust?
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post Apr 20 2020, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 20 2020, 01:13 PM)
https://valueinvestasia.com/how-to-find-the..._cid=997c3bece3

for those into S REIT.

Why Singapore REIT is better (same as HK REIT)? Land is very limited and thus demand will greatly exceed the supply, pushing up the returns in years to come.

I have been wanting to get into S REIT but have not. Will push the button soon.  devil.gif
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What S Reit you planning to get into?
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 22 2020, 11:35 AM)
By soon, I meant in the next 6 - 12 months. If we are still like this after 12 months, then we are most likely in a depression.

After the never-know-this-is-possible-below-zero-oil-price this week, maybe another big surprise is on the way. See this canary in the coal mine video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmSXtWeWZg8
2-3 of the top 10. Still looking for S REIT crystal ball. Ha.
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Yeah, never expect oil price to go to below $0. It just shows anything can happen.


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post Apr 24 2020, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 23 2020, 06:52 PM)
You are welcome, bro,....

I continue to be cautiously optimistic over the decisions that will be made by the SG govt...

Yeah, I think some offices will be impacetd by the new WFH behaviour being encouraged in these times.

Observe closely as many reports as you can during this earnings season, bro,... some positive egs :-
1) PLife REIT will be setting aside 1.7Mil in case this fund is needed to help tenants during these times. For the most recent reporting yesterday morning, 850K has been 'held back', BUT its dpu payout increased nevertheless compared to the previous corresponding period.
2) Keppel DC REIT's business update did not mention of any amt being held back.
3) Keppel Infra Trust's business update remains steady and the same dpu payout of 0.93c is given out.
4) Keppel Pacific Oak may have some small provisions reported next quarter, but the amt will be small,...

Without doubt, the environment today remains very fluid and things can change very quickly, but we still need to invest. I will bank on our years of studying and exposure to the mkt to be able to help us in these trying times today.

My total portfolio position is +14.99% at close today.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 23 2020, 07:08 PM)
Mapletree Logistics Trust's recent quarter results has just been released. Very good results,... no provision has been held back,.....

Have a look, bro,....
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Thanks for summary. No need to go and individually dig the info. now. BTW, do you think Singapore REITS (non shopping mall reits) will do better/worse than S&P and QQQ indices?

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post Apr 26 2020, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 25 2020, 11:01 PM)
Ok bros,...

If we include potential divvy payouts into our measurement, then I would think the SG non-retail REITs will do better then the S&P Index. The think abt the SG retail EITs is not so much as not being able to bounce back (which I still carry the belief that they will bounce back), but the problem is with the Temporary Measures, the tenants do not have to pay rental for 6 months and are obligated to pay ALL 6 months after that.

If the pandemic situation does not improve after 6 mths, the SG govt may extend this Temporary Measures for another 6 mths up to one year. I really can't see how a tenant is able to pay accumulated rent after one year. The security deposit will not be able to cover much.

Chances are as good as zero dpu payout for retail REITs this year because this pandemic is the main reason affecting their business.

For the financial assets segment of my investments, I hold mostly REITs and stocks, bros,...

Timeframe-wise,.. I see everywhere,... people are mentioning 6 mths to one year for recovery.

I continue to scour the landscape to invest into REITs and stocks that can continue to pay out divdiends to us,... in sectors that will not be impacted badly. I continue to carry the belief that I can be paid to wait for the recovery.

REITs will give me capital gain too as the economic ecosystem continues to improve, and as I wait fro more capital gain, I will be able to reap dividends along the way. Of course, I must have the analytical skills, the experience and the wisdom to choose the right REITs.
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Thanks. Was wondering whether to do any averaging down for the Sg reits as worried whether it will go bust and/or the price currently will be the new normal. After reading your view, I guess I will do at least 1 averaging down if price drop to a desirable level.
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post Apr 26 2020, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 26 2020, 03:37 PM)
Choose your REITs carefully, bro,... Chances for a REIT to go bust today will be lower !

Worst that can happen is it stays where it is and not being able to give out dividends for the next one year or more. Or,... the REIT will do an equity fund raising.
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Thanks. My choice of reits are quite ok I think. The one that is more worrying is Mapletree NAC. I was thinking that it may rise near Olympics and when HK more settled (due to riots), that's why still holding on to it.

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 29 2020, 04:49 PM)
5 traffic lights to be green before putting my foot to the pedal. The engine is already running, wasting petrol but petrol is so cheap now.

I used a similar method for my decision to sell back in late 2018. I got 80% red but decided to go anyway, no need for 100% red. No regret. Very happy the way it has turned out. Saved me some money and also peaceful sleep despite DT, Kim, Xii etc I kill you, you kill me rhetoric and later the covid19.

I didn't know Baltic is a Miss. Ha. Still available?
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Eh, if you sold your shares in late 2018, that means for about 1.5 years, you have not been in the stock market?
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post Apr 30 2020, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 30 2020, 11:11 AM)
Yes and no. Ha. I sold 98% of my overseas shares and kept the accounts alive. Why? For me to know lah. After that, I did not buy any overseas or local. Yes, this scary tiny tiger is hiding in the bushes.  rclxm9.gif  whistling.gif
We are on the same brain wave! Ha. This huge QE is like extra big plasters and extra strength panadol trying to cure cancer patients. Temporary relief, yes. Solving the problem? Better ask doctors here. Ha.
There is an exception to everything. Like too big to fall (see what happened to Enron). FED is mighty and can ride this out? Maybe. Alone, no country now can displace the giant USA. But together, with key countries, they can and will push USA down from the 1st position platform. Even in the 1970s with huge demand by countries to convert their US$ to gold, their gold reserve was declining. President Nixon later axed the gold standard for the US$. My personal view is, the US$ strength is partly artificial. Eg oil and gas transactions must be in US$ (dictated by the middle east country in return for military support?). Also, surprised to learn this fact when I asked a bank on how they calculate my card overseas expanses. If I go to country A and buy things using my card, the calculation will (1) convert A$ to US$ and then (2) US$ to RM. Any fees involved for (1), don't know. Nonetheless, step (1) is just creating demand for the US$. Heard Russia and China have started their oil and gas transactions using non-US$. Will they continue? Will that grow? No idea.

If my memory is right from what I read, Dutch Guilder was the global currency in the old old days, later British pound took over later. And later US$. Which will be next? RM !!! Ya, only in my wildest dream!
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Thanks. You must be very patient to be out of the overseas market for so long.
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post May 2 2020, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 1 2020, 10:00 AM)
Luckily to me (some may feel contrary), I do not have the urge to buy, buy. 2 of my friends have been buying consistently before Feb 2020. I think they feel that money is wasted and must be invested, thinking that buying = investing. Not saying they are wrong, it is their money and maybe they feel better after buying. And yes, they would be making money if the Feb crash did not happen.

Good video I got in the email last night. About US$ and oil. More than 30 mns long. Yes, this is a marketing video about his club. Nonetheless, still worth watching it to learn more about the $ and oil.

If I have one of the 7 oil US companies, I will get out now. Why? A quick one, if US$ is no longer the global currency, interest there will shoot up, those companies with high debts will be in the frying pan. Ditto for non oil companies with high debts. Many oil companies are now not that healthy even with US$ as reserve currency on their side.

Think airlines will survive and a necessity in the coming decades and the strong ones are worth buying especially during this lockdown period.

Few words of caution, don't just follow what other people say. Due diligence is on yourself to do your own analysis.

If anyone here subscribes to it, please share some tips with me. Thanks. Ha.
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 1 2020, 10:58 AM)
USD will remain the global currency for the foreseeable future. The reason is that there is no alternative. It's the no 1 global currency with 80% market share of global trade. Which upstart currency will take away a big chunk of this 80%? The 2nd currency is EUR which is a mere 5% of global trade n EUR in my view is actually going ro be in deep trouble soon.

At the same time, I do believe that one day, USD will no longer be the dominant currency, but this will happen slowly and in a much longer run. Perhaps earliest is in another 10 years, maybe then we can see a viable alternative to start to gain ground and then maybe another 10-20 years for USD dominance to really end. That's like in 2050 time frame.

N I expect US interest rate to remain 0 at least until end of next year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/fed-decisio...-come-back.html
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I hope that USD will remain the global currency for many years--not because I like USA but because if there's no other good alternative currency, then the world would be in a much worse place. For all of USA faults, having China as a main or 2nd main currency would be even worse knowing how China operates. Euro is just too weak with countries like Italy in the fold. Germany is strong but then no more deutschemark. Swiss franc used to be a safe haven also until it had no choice but to devalue its currency (when euro plunged years ago ) to save its economy. Japanese yen is another safe haven currency but not the main and cannot be the main with its aging population.

Oil--who knows what will happen in the long future. I remembered before shale oil was discovered, everybody was saying oil is so limited and how price will shoot through the roof. Even when it was just starting out, how expensive it would be for it to extract it. Even when shale was operating profitably, nobody expected $0 much less negative oil prices. Seems that there's a first in everything.

Yeah, agree that don't simply follow everyone blindly. DD is needed
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post May 3 2020, 04:14 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 2 2020, 11:24 AM)
Minta maaf. Bukan tak mahu tolong. Kawan sini UPSR murid sahaja, masih belajar macro economy 00001. Tidak berkelayakan untuk mengajar.  notworthy.gif

I believe in the sayings:

A. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.  thumbup.gif
B. The harder I tried, the luckier I get.  rclxm9.gif  whistling.gif

Malaysia BOLEH semasa mencuba!
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For me, some countries will always want to dominate/flex their muscles more unfairly than others. Just look at China now wanting to own many parts of the South China Sea. If not for USA and some western countries, they would have bulldozed even further with their intentions. Without a strong presence in both military, currency and economy to counter countries like that, the world becomes more dangerous. When power is much more spread out like having a few currencies as global benchmark or require too much compromise/negotiations between different countries, then it would be harder to counter more dangerous countries/powers. That's why while its always good to have powers like NATO etc, we still also need a more dominant country that can stop these unwanted moves by others without every step having to negotiate with other countries.

USA do abuse its power too but at least less dangerous than some other countries and at least do provide some checks to some countries (not saying that USA does everything right because obviously they don't and they have done their fair share of harm). By having USD as the main currency, it helps to give strength to the USA while at the same time bring stability to the rest of the world.

Take for eg the stock market. While very few if any countries can claim that their stock market is safe to invest, USA is the exception here. If one were to continously invest in the broad USA market (and not individual stocks) through its ups and downs, one still can make $ despite all the money printing--for the main reason that the USD is the main currency and USA is still one of the biggest superpower left with some very good companies. This gives the man on the street a chance to make some $ especially with interest rate worldwide going down. Only the rich can invest in properties but the stock market requires much less $ and thus more accessible to the common man. Japan with its extremely low to non existence interest rate for example have caused its citizens to continue working into their old age (also due to their aging population). Thus, stock market remains one of the very few options left to earn a return higher than inflation rate.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 3 2020, 12:15 PM)
Emm,... bro,... the biggest advantage of investing into the stock exchange is the ability to pullout quiackly when situations changed. The liquidity is there,... provided the mkt is NOT halted like what The Philippines did a few weeks ago.

If you invest into properties, you can't seasily sell of your property for funds.

And,............. in the world today,... don't know-lar,... I observe landlords everywhere are being targetted. If times are bad, it's not easy to collect collect rents or evict tenants anymore. Countries will formulate laws and temporary measures to PROTECT THE TENANTS rather than the landlords !

So,......... looks like no point buying more properties,... better just buy one big hse to stay in, one holiday house and invest the rest.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 3 2020, 01:45 PM)
Fair points.

To me, US was the good guy many years back and China was the communist state - you live it my way. But now, the good guy is becoming a bad guy while the old bad guy is becoming a more liberal guy. US has so many bases all over the war (to protect the world?) I may be wrong here, don't think China has any military bases outside China.

Cannot remember the name of the guy who revealed the electronic spying they did on other countries and also their own citizens who later fled to Russia. OK when they do that and not ok when others do that.
To me, both have their pros and cons. Sold my house when I could not stand it any more with tenants calling me to fix this and that. I did an analysis comparing the house rental vs FD. Yes, the house return was better. But only slightly. Not worth the headaches I get. Ha. But some more resilient people can make it without much problem in the real estate sector.
Good. Like to have more info. What is the frequency I should tune in? Ha. I feel the same too. If no more dip, then this crash is really weird, very different from the past. But they say, there is always a first for everything.
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China has been expanding/building islands/ports to be military/guardposts etc including in South China Sea and its own country. They are also doing the Belt and Road Initiative. Look also what they are doing to countries in Africa continent--for example taking over ports etc by offering loans. While China has become more liberal (in a way they have to as they want the world to accept them and their currency), their really ultimate aim nobody knows for sure. But they have no problem to be more 'brutal/drastic' than the West.

USA has caused harm for sure. I've never thought that USA is the knight in shining armor as it has its own faults. But between countries such as China, Russia and some other countries that I will not name, I still prefer USA dominance as they are 'kinder' and because of their liberty and laws, their citizens are more daring to stand up to injustice. Choose between the lesser of 2 evils.

My friend bought several houses a few years back and I think the price has almost doubled--don't think it was rented out. The thing is with stocks and houses, there are several ways to get $--dividends/rents and capital appreciation. So if don't want to have the headache of bad tenants, then just buy for capital appreciation.

A lawyer friend revealed before that companies do buy commercial lots and just leave it vacant even if it takes years until they can sell it for a good profit. People think that these commercial lots are not bought as they have for rent/sale (some for years) but actually the developers have already sold them. It was an eye opener for me.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 3 2020, 04:10 PM)
China is not self sustaining in natural resources, is hungry for resources. Contemporary history showed, CPC doesn't hesitate to bully her neighbours and trading partners, and start foreign conflict to distract domestic issue.

Given amount of misinformation campaign by CPC on covid19, expect China will become more aggressive in pushing it's weight around.

Unless bought before 2012, doubt property price doubled. Property price is the least transparency among investible assets. Asking, transacted, valuation, auction, spa, market value, etc could be substantially different.
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Some activitists like the lawyer guy still missing after exposing covid19 in China. Scary.

Anyway, not sure when the properties were purchased. Yeah, property price are less transparent.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 5 2020, 02:58 PM)
2 main culprit.

1. Money supply is tied to gold, hence inability to print more money when needed.

2. Fed acted wrongly by raising interest rate at that time. Raising interest rate causes liquidity crunch, which led to vicious cycle or economy recession.

Now Fed is doing the reverse, unlimited QE, and zeroing interest rate. Factor 2 is the most devastating.

Economy is all about money flow. The more money flow, the more dynamic the economy is. Above 2 factors are hindering money flow.

The debt theory has been there since after 2008 crisis especially when first QE being introduced, and for the record, DJ has up from low  6k~8K points to now 23K, a whooping 300% rise in 10 years.

If Fed is raising rate to 10% now, then I will have no doubt another great depression will be repeating.
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The world is moving to lower and lower interest rate. This was the main impetus on why I went back to the stock market as FD rates kept dropping.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 6 2020, 09:26 AM)
BURIED.  laugh.gif

A.  In 1999. i was reading about how banks were using cheap money and basically leveraging about 10 times on the deposits to create loans through the fractional accounting system. How CBs are just lining up banks with easy money. Which they are. Like now.
So after 3 years of research, i took the plunge.
My preaching line to my friends was "The returns will be better than FDs over the next 5 years"
Gold in MYR was 1100 at the time. So essentially its a hedge for my savings, not really an investment.

B. Since gold savings has become a substantial portion of my total asset, i have taken profits along the way and also bought more.
So i have traded a certain portion of the gold holdings in paper. BAD ME!
But as i look at the charts, i noticed a pattern forming like that of the early years for me.

In2008, when there was QE, gold price retraced from 900 to 680 and then zoomed to 1900 in 2011. That time QE was only $900 billion to $4.5 trillion in the books of the FED.
Today, its much more that that.

i also noticed that the so called cup and handle pattern which formed in 2008 to 2010 is also noticed in 2011 to present day. See the cup pattern forming there, the bottom being 1050. If we see gold dropped to 1600 to 1650 to form the handle, i will take another major position.
This cup and handle pattern is supposedly a very powerful pattern to catapult the price to 3000.
In 2008, it went from 680 to 1900. Will we see it going from 1050 to 3000?
We will see.
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Thinking of buying some gold too but too late as price already too high. So thanks for the analysis. Hopefully will fall to a nice level to buy some
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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 6 2020, 02:53 PM)
Thanks. I still cannot bring myself to invest in gold. It is not like other products where there are industrial usages (yes, gold is used in electronic products but demand is more fear driven). Maybe I will try gold producers as they are actually producing something. Ha.
My layman's view, when the gold price comes down, maybe it means economy is getting better. Then still worthwhile to try it?
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When price goes down, yes economy is getting better. For gold, if we don't know when to enter, have to hold for years. Otherwise, next time when there is fear in the market like during covid19, quickly grab gold before it rises.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 9 2020, 08:27 AM)
I concur with this.

Gold is essentially a crisis hedge. QE is needed in crisis. QE is the catalyst for sudden gold price rises. However, as the effects of QE is felt in the economy, the effects on gold is slowly felt and so we see the rise of gold from $680 in 2009 to $1900 in 2011.

Dow gold theory is just a ratio just gold/silver ratio. However, the Dow gold ratio is trying to demonstrate the purchasing power of gold with respect to the DJ index through time. Just like the parable of gold purchasing a jacket through time.
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QE was still ongoing (a third round of quantitative easing, "QE3", was announced on 13 September 2012--wikipedia) but gold price started dropping from October 12. In this instance the continous QE did not cause gold price to rise but stock market continue to rise. How do you explain that?

Basing on this in my view, it would seem that QE although initially would cause gold price to rise but after a certain level/time, gold price will stop rising as its a non-producing income asset unlike stocks which can still grow as the companies produce earnings. Thus, it would be more attractive to hold stocks compared to gold. Now if this is true, then there will come a time, that gold price will stop rising and drop despite the humongous QE as the economy improves from covid19 and companies start recovering

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 10 2020, 08:12 AM)
As I have said, its not instep with QE. QE is but a catalyst. And some have put it as the Rate of money printing rather than QE per se.

Of course every asset has a cycle, no matter whether its gold or equities. What you have described is the end of the gold bull. Which was the beginning of the equities bull. Nothing new there.
And the proverbial gold does not produce an income. That's the reason I call it a hedge, rather than a pure investment in the normal sense.
And I compared it against FDs if you had read my other posts on gold.

I guess the question is "So What"?

Since investors always looks at returns and I have looked at it as a hedge against such as Covid 19, since I started investing in gold in 2002, gold has returned me 11.5% CAGR over the last 18 years.
Not bad a non income producing asset, No?
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QE generally will cause gold price to rise but QE is not the only factor for gold price to rise. Wow, you have really done well in your gold investment. So in your view, is now the right time to buy gold and how far higher do you think gold price will rise? How often do you buy gold and do you sell it. What's your gold strategy like?

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 11 2020, 01:06 AM)
Bro prophet bought one commodity 20 years ago and held on to it through thick and thin,...today, it proved that he bought the right thing that kept appreciating when given sufficient timespan.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 11 2020, 08:56 AM)
QE is a catalyst to push gold. A big catalyst. Others are like war, pandemics, etc. Basically CRISIS.

I have only bought gold 3 times in the last 18 years and sold once in 2011. My biggest buy was 2002 where I changed 90% of my FDs to gold.
Then in 2008 I sold all my banking stocks and put them in gold and others.

As for speculating forward prices, I expect gold to correct to $1600 to 1650 an then catapult to $2800 to 3200.
Depending how MYR does against USD, results in the returns. But then, I have never had faith in the MYR anyway.  laugh.gif
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Thanks. Its like you got perfect foresight looking back. You bought at the lows and sold at the highs.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 12 2020, 04:01 PM)
Bro Langstrasse,

We have discussed a lot abt the USD's future, bro,... emm,... I can't tell for sure what will happen to the USD in future, so I've decided to hold a few types of currencies to hedge my currency holdings. I must learn to earn these currencies with investments since I have no intention to work overseas. Then I must learn how to move the currencies around in the most economical way,.. as much as possible, though sometimes it's not possible,...

The hardest part is HOW TO EARN the different currencies.

Bro Wagyu,.. emm,... maybe no need to go so far away,... just open multi-currency accounts in SG is adequate. ....
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Are you opening the multi currency accounts in banks in Singapore? Wouldn't the exchange rate kill you and I think they don't pay interest on the foreign currency

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