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post Oct 8 2018, 11:39 PM

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so, today CN market down and so far the Oct have been not really good.

all the emerging markets are down at the mean time.

India drop a lot.

is the crash starting...

should have trim down all EQ 3 months back..
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post Oct 9 2018, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 9 2018, 07:20 AM)
3 months later, you may be saying you should have trimmed down all in October  biggrin.gif
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haha.

but definitely may18 is the turning point of my port. too bad. real bad.

now only I realize GFC will happen. no matter what. and now it's end of the cycle. with trump on throne, he will just try to boost US as far as possible. but it will not canceled out GFC.

we already see Asia Pacific on plateau.... I suppose it will not having bull run again. but bear.
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post Oct 9 2018, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 9 2018, 10:05 AM)
2 strategies :

1. Sell everything, take the cash put in something very safe like FD. But return is low. Downside is what if no correction ? Lose out on dividends and low entry price (ie. expensive to buy back later)

2. Expect the correction, hold on to the portfolio for a few years for it to recover. Still receive dividends. Dividends from eg Reits are still better than FD. Upside is if no correction, return is much higher than money in FD. And entry price is preserved (ie. capital gain).

It is a difficult decision  biggrin.gif
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indeed hahahaahah.

you apa macham? decided to stand outside the ring till when haha. you exit very early worr 2017 end?
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post Oct 9 2018, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Oct 9 2018, 11:14 AM)
Me strategy #1  sweat.gif

Exited mid 2017. That time put in 15-24 months maturity and overseas property. Some starting to mature and still reinvesting back to safe products....

Because the older I get, the smaller my LP  laugh.gif
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Good move I must say.
I now also plan to trim down all eq. Just close 1 eye. 10 eq to 90 bond fund.

QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2018, 11:48 AM)
My 2 cents + rationale on my look ahead on this topic using one share in the last crash as example ....

Scene 1 - the ugly (damn ugly!!!)
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What to do?
I don't want to see my asset loosing value like that!

Scene 2 - the pretty (too good to be true, alias mission impossible)
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Cannot be that lucky to time it at the highest and at the lowest!
So what to do?

Scene 3 (later)
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History will not repeat exactly but it tends to follow ...

P/S No share split or share bonus during that period in my last check. I excluded dividends to simply the calculations.

PP/S  I used $100,000 as illustration to highlight the impact. Not that I have that amount. Ha.
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No really possible to time. As we can see on the UT thread. Whn the market started to volatile, many people started to buy when the price drop 2%. But end up M-O-M the price drop and people still thin, that is discount and buy it. End up? Cathced the falling knife. Now market bottom no where to be seen.

Next up to look up for prop bubble. In previous crash, always strong related with props. Aiyo, I so tired of this.

Crash just let it crash la. Walao. Look at the graph I also headache. Plateau don't know until when.
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post Oct 9 2018, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2018, 12:56 PM)
Instead of selling before the crash or at the highest price, what about shortly after the crash?

Let me finish my Scene 3 graph.
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actually depend on how much you gain. If the crash is strong enough to cancelled out your gain..... that's bad...
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post Oct 12 2018, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Oct 12 2018, 09:47 AM)
Mini meltdown in the US stocks since Wednesday, is this the start to bigger crash or just another 'traditional' black october occurence...any thoughts?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...nd=premium-asia
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QUOTE(Fortezan @ Oct 12 2018, 04:35 PM)
Truth is nobody knows, those who believe this is just a correction would have collected yesterday and tell you to do the same in hope that price can be pushed higher, those who believe a major crash is coming would tell you to save your bullets in hope that price can drop further for them to collect at a bargain
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no idea... but I am rally tired of this. Crash just crash la...

Still remember Last FEB? Almost same and rebound.

Just hope this time around dead cat bounce and the true correction can go on for Q4.
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post Dec 3 2018, 08:10 AM

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alright.

US agree to stop the 0119 tariff.

so what now... has the recession actually came but we don't realize it?

or yet to come?

but for me. the recession must come. headache owh
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post Dec 3 2018, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 3 2018, 09:30 AM)
Nothing to be happy. 90 days je. Then expect china/asia Pacific to fall again
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knnnn.

this gonna be long shit.
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post Jan 8 2019, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Jan 8 2019, 09:33 AM)
Do you all think that we are  currrently at the beginning of recession? IMHO, I think so based on what I have read although some analysts beg to differ.

Based on last recession in 2008/2009, by the time the recession was recognised officially, it was over and the market had went upswing. We know that it is not possible to buy at the bottom and if the market stays bearish for longer period, what would be your investment strategy. 

I am beginning to pick up some slowly in small quantity, especially reits and dividend growth stocks which have historically able to outperform the market index over the long run and also some stocks which are too cheap to ignore.
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last year analyst from schroders mentioned the recession shall happen in 02/19 if based on the chart and datas. but who knows
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post Jan 8 2019, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 8 2019, 02:25 PM)
Official numbers like economic recession gdp data is normally lagging behind the market.
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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Jan 8 2019, 02:40 PM)
That's right, this has been proven during the previous recession.  Based on what I have read and gathered, I would think that we may be already at the early phase of recession.  This is still very much debatable as opinions are split on this.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 8 2019, 02:44 PM)
There are early indicators for early stage of recession but few people understand or know how or where to read. those have too much to loss or vested interest tend to ignore or couldn't see negative news.
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true.... that's why when we take those report or review.
A said this months. B said that months. C said another month....

combine it and got time frame. couple with indices.... perhaps we can see the directions. now all market booming. last time recession also having obvious uptrend before free fall.

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post Jan 16 2019, 03:57 PM

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the market really gone haywire.

bad news but indices gone otherwise...
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post Jan 18 2019, 08:18 AM

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it would be a miracle if the 10 years cycle never happen.

V shape recovery for us eq. wtf does it mean FML. the fed old stop playing around.... driving me nuts!!!!!
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post Jan 18 2019, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 18 2019, 10:09 AM)
Same replies as in the above !!!!!!!
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meaning now is the best time to buy?

the 10 years thing already over?
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post Jan 19 2019, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Jan 19 2019, 09:29 PM)
The Economy is one of the best in our history, with unemployment at a 50 year low, and the Stock Market ready to again break a record (set by us many times) - & all you heard yesterday, based on a phony story, was Impeachment. You want to see a Stock Market Crash, Impeach Trump!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...607079308251136

weekend entertainment
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LOL.
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post Mar 1 2019, 02:08 PM

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Ok....

So sifu.

Stay invested for non market player peasent like me?
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post Mar 18 2019, 05:51 PM

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Hang seng and cn all fly high.

Does 2018 it self qualify for a "crisis"?
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post Mar 23 2019, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(buncho89 @ Mar 23 2019, 04:54 PM)
something something inversion yield curve...recession incoming?
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 23 2019, 06:29 PM)
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/706073410/st...cession-warning

"We don't see that occur that often, but when it does, it's almost always bad news," said Campbell Harvey, a professor of finance at Duke University.

That's why warning lights started flashing Friday morning when the yield on the 10-year Treasury note slipped below that of the three-month bill. The last time that happened was just before the Great Recession.

Harvey's been keeping a close eye on these rare, "inverted" yield curves for more than 30 years, and treats them as a kind of early warning signal.

"My indicator has successfully predicted four of the last four recessions," he said, "including a pretty important call before the global financial crisis."

Harvey won't actually forecast a recession unless the yield curve stays inverted for at least three months. But even a flat curve — in which long-term yields are just slightly above short-term yields — could be an indicator the economy is losing steam.

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Saw another inverted yield study with some detail on the frequency and its aftermath. Can't find it now.

Bad news? No. I have sold my important shares. Ha. Sorry to be naughty. Ha. That is one of the reasons why I decided to sell early to avoid worrying on bad news like this, sleepless nights asking myself should I sell the next day, next week etc.

**  Norway pension fund (the world largest) is planning to sell its O & G shares.

**  N Korea and USA denuclearisation didnt go as expected.

**  China and USA trade is not progressing as what DT said

**  BREXIT is progressing many many km but just going round in a circle.

**  you fill in the blank
Wait and see .......

P/S  Saw this weeks before ..

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Look at the deflation line in the last 2009 recession and compare with now. Both negative. Maybe just coincidence.
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This theory have been flying around since last October.
Surprisingly, the market does fluctuate a lot across the last few month.

And reading back those finance analyst back in June to December. Esp on end Dec and early Jan, making me highly doubt the credential of them.....

As the previous member mentioned, the previous trigger wont trigger the "incoming" crisis. But what will the trigger point this time?

Trade? Brexit? NK US? All are pointing each other but despite dragging so long with no outcome, the market still going up and down like nobody business.

I think you have been wwnt tru 07 08, was the market like that too before falling off the cliff? I mean the sentiment around? How is the environment?
I was too young then. I dig back only found the week lehman tumble, the whole world shock. But I suppose weeks or months before the market already shaken abit? Wasnt much expose because that time internet is yet a "thing" like now.
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post Mar 28 2019, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Mar 27 2019, 04:39 PM)
Saw some data on historical inverted yield.

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Using average and 1 std deviation on these data, estimates of likely recession timing IY1 and IY2 are included in the previous graph.

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Interesting . . . . .
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Hmm meaning 2020?

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post Apr 8 2019, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 7 2019, 09:12 PM)
According to some regulatory reports, next financial or economic crisis will likely trigger by fed rate rise and impact could be more widely than previous crisis.

De-gearing is a common sense going forward.
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Meaning 2019 = 2017

2020 = 2018

Fed will be no hike this year. In fact there's signal to reduce in q4.
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post Apr 8 2019, 11:20 PM

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I look back the timeline of 2008 crisis.

It's took nearly half a year to cook up the crisis. Starting from bad lending. IT WAS JAN that fed decrease the rate. And some of the policy was made to boost the housing. Then the gov keep buying back bad debt and Indy Mac bank was the 1st who face a bank run.

Up to Sept 2008, the collapse of Lehman brother trigger it.

Gov decided to let go because they already take up Fraddie, as well as AIG.

Not sure whether I got it right or not because I was too young during that time.

As you all mentioned every financial crisis will have a totally different trigger point. I suppose after the crisis in 2008, they regulated it and prevent it from happening again.

But fed being suddenly Dovish is a signal and of they quickly lower down the rate then we should be aware. 1 thing I realize is that during that time gold shoot and oil down. Which is contra to what we are having now.

Putting those things aside, Honestly speaking, 2008 mortgage crisis reflect exactly the same as we face in props sector in Malaysia, right now. Just that BNM tightened the rules few years back to prevent it deteriorated.

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