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 StashAway MY, New instrument for Malaysian?

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post Mar 4 2019, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 2 2019, 02:57 PM)
I read few more sources and concluded that DCA is most secured way.

LUMP SUMP strategy very dependent on on the price movement pattern
LUMP SUMP might be good on SPY ETF as SPY price chart pattern is constantly growing

but said Nikkei 225 Index chart movement, then there is a risk of lump sump strategy is purchased at a high price.

Guess i will stick with DCA
Mostly here DCA weekly? anyone DCA monthly?
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DCA monthly, now easier since they have JomPay which you can setup to be recurring at your bank.
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post Mar 4 2019, 09:48 AM

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Hi folks,


My portfolio is 36% risk index
My question as follow:
1) Do you guys have multiple risk index portfolio?
2) The currency impact and portfolio return means?
3) In conclusion, for return I shall only refer to the "Total Returns"?
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post Mar 4 2019, 09:59 AM

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What's the expected return for etf?

I have the choice of either putting more money into my ASNB (6% returns a year) or do something else with it.
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post Mar 4 2019, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Mar 4 2019, 09:59 AM)
What's the expected return for etf?

I have the choice of either putting more money into my ASNB (6% returns a year) or do something else with it.
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sharing u some article info

StashAway: Responses from the CEO and my thoughts

he Weekly Horse: Review of StashAway’s new “High Risk” Portfolio

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post Mar 4 2019, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Mar 4 2019, 09:59 AM)
What's the expected return for etf?

I have the choice of either putting more money into my ASNB (6% returns a year) or do something else with it.
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I had the same question like you and contact the customer service for more info since Stashaway don't show its yearly return for each risk index. Please bare in mind, I just copied and pasted their reply to my mail. It's probable that the info might be outdated.

QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Dec 11 2018, 01:31 PM)
It's ok. I have contacted StashAway for more info and received a reply from them. So, i would like to share it with everyone here.

Expected Returns (based on historical data)

Core Portfolios:
StashAway Risk Index 6.5% - 8%, our projected returns are 5.0% - 5.6%
StashAway Risk Index 8.5% - 10%, our projected returns are 5.7% - 6.2%.
StashAway Risk Index 10.5% - 12%, our projected returns are 6.4% - 6.6%.
StashAway Risk Index 12.5% - 14%, our projected returns are 6.7% - 7.0%.
StashAway Risk Index 14.5% - 16%, our projected returns are 7.2% - 7.4%.
StashAway Risk Index 16.5% - 18%, our projected returns are 7.7% - 8.0%.
StashAway Risk Index 18.5% - 20%, our projected returns are 8.1% - 8.4%.

Higher-Risk Portfolios:
StashAway Risk Index 26% - 36%, our projected returns are 8.5% - 9.3%.
Please note that these projections are based on historical monthly data (from January 1982 to December 2017). We do not endorse that historical returns are reflective of the future. As economic cycles change, returns could be higher or lower than these long-term projections.


Actual returns (July 2017 - July 2018)

Here are 7 anchor portfolios to illustrate the range of risk and returns we earned in the last year. The following chart shows gross returns in SGD of these portfolios, ranked by risk (low to high), compared to the returns of their respective risk-based benchmarks.

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Our portfolios have yielded between 4.3% and 6.6% gross returns in SGD over the last year, characterised by a very positive market for the first 7 months (July 2017 to January 2018) and a more turbulent one for the subsequent 5 months (February 2018 - July 2018).

All of StashAway’s 28 portfolios (excl higher risk portfolios) have outperformed their same-risk benchmark. In the same time frame, an investment in the Straits Times Index (STI) would have yielded only 0.8% positive returns. Note that the risk of the STI is approximately 2x the risk of P28 over the last 10 years.

Previously, we have named our portfolios 1 to 28 as P1 to P28. However, we've introduced "StashAway Risk Index" and the portfolios have since been renamed.

Previous Model:

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post Mar 4 2019, 01:36 PM

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this return thingy is before fee or after fee?
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post Mar 4 2019, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 4 2019, 01:36 PM)
this return thingy is before fee or after fee?
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After.
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post Mar 4 2019, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 4 2019, 02:01 PM)
After.
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ic...i tot they say gross?
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post Mar 4 2019, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 4 2019, 01:36 PM)
this return thingy is before fee or after fee?
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If you talking about the return in your stashaway app. It has already included the conversion fee into USD.

For annual fee, it'll be deducted monthly. So, you will notice a bit loss of ROI at the end of each month.

However, when you choose to sell, you will be charged for the conversion fee to MYR. This fee will be only shown in the end of the sale.

For the projected return stated in my previous post, I didn't ask Stashaway about it but I think that it's gross as the annual management fee varies according investment amount.
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Mar 4 2019, 03:57 PM)
For the projected return stated in my previous post, I didn't ask Stashaway about it but I think that it's gross as the annual management fee varies according investment amount.
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I thought the management fee is 0.8% AUM p/a or something like that?
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:00 PM)
I thought the management fee is 0.8% AUM p/a or something like that?
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so need to deduct 0.8% across the board from the advertised 4-6% return?
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 4 2019, 04:05 PM)
so need to deduct 0.8% across the board from the advertised 4-6% return?
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I THINK if it is gross, then yeah.
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:07 PM)
I THINK if it is gross, then yeah.
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then left 3% to 5%? =(

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post Mar 4 2019, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:00 PM)
I thought the management fee is 0.8% AUM p/a or something like that?
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https://www.stashaway.my/pricing

Not sure if you opt for a lower risk index the management fee will be lower. If its 0.8% off the board, best stick with an index which aims for higher returns.

0.8% for a low risk low return profile will eat quite a high percentage of your profits(if any)
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ Mar 4 2019, 04:11 PM)
https://www.stashaway.my/pricing

Not sure if you opt for a lower risk index the management fee will be lower. If its 0.8% off the board, best stick with an index which aims for higher returns.

0.8% for a low risk low return profile will eat quite a high percentage of your profits(if any)
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Hmm oh you are right, it IS variable.

Yay, that is actually good news rclxms.gif
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:23 PM)
Hmm oh you are right, it IS variable.

Yay, that is actually good news  rclxms.gif
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I think they change it.

Last November it was across the risk index.
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 4 2019, 04:24 PM)
I think they change it.

Last November it was across the risk index.
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ok I is confused now.

I thought it always was same across the risk index, but the only variable part is the invested amount?
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 4 2019, 04:24 PM)
I think they change it.

Last November it was across the risk index.
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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:27 PM)
ok I is confused now.

I thought it always was same across the risk index, but the only variable part is the invested amount?
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I started investing in Stashaway since end of Nov 18. At that time, I know that the annual management fee varies according to invested amount, similar to Stashaway SG.

If they charged previously based on risk rating as stated by Ancient-XinG, it was before I started investing.

Nevertheless, the mail regarding the projected returns according to risk rating was done in Dec 18 when the annual management fee varies according to the invested amount.

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Mar 4 2019, 04:36 PM
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post Mar 4 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Mar 4 2019, 04:27 PM)
ok I is confused now.

I thought it always was same across the risk index, but the only variable part is the invested amount?
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QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Mar 4 2019, 04:34 PM)
I started investing in Stashaway since end of Nov 18. At that time, I know that the annual management fee varies according to invested amount, similar to Stashaway SG.

If they charged previously based on risk rating as stated by Ancient-XinG, it was before I started investing.

Nevertheless, the mail regarding the projected returns according to risk rating was done in Dec 18 when the annual management fee varies according to the invested amount.
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Aduhh.

Sorry sorry.

I myself also konpius.

**Nothing change in fees structure since they landed Malaysia.**

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post Mar 4 2019, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 4 2019, 04:45 PM)
Aduhh.

Sorry sorry.

I myself also konpius.

**Nothing change in fees structure since they landed Malaysia.**
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I guess we just konpius sendiri xD

Do you guys think with the 0.8% to, lets say realistically lah, 0.5% p/a fee, it would impact the profit too much?

Another aspect is the FX. Although 0.1% conversation fee is not expensive I suppose, but I think we never really looked at the actual FX rate it was converted at. Manatau it was at some crazily unfavourable rate.

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