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confused, cut or gain?
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TSalcohol
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Aug 1 2018, 04:15 PM, updated 8y ago
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Guys/Sifu..
I want to drop my body fats to around 12-15%ish but do not want to compromise on losing my muscle gains. Need to lose that stubborn belly fats. I do not know whether I should be cutting my calories or going for calories surplus. Currently just started back workout.. 3 days a week..
Help?
muscle 39.4% body fat 22.1% weight around 80kg height 180cm
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internaldisputes
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Aug 1 2018, 05:03 PM
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You definitely need to eat less. Probably cut back on alcohol.  Muscle mass will be reduced unfortunately but if you keep your macros in check (carbs+proteins+fats) you won't be losing too much.
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TSalcohol
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Aug 1 2018, 05:44 PM
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aiming for 20/50/30 macros.
eating 500 calories less than my normal amount should suffice ?
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Xaser_3
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Aug 2 2018, 12:48 AM
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I am also in the same situation you facing at the moment. Height of 179cm and mass of 84 kg. I exercise and workout 3 times a week for 20 mins but damm hard to loose that annoying belly fat.
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Kaellis
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Aug 2 2018, 08:23 AM
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How do you get the fat estimation?
Any body pics or measurements?
easier to just cut until skelly then do lean bulking
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internaldisputes
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Aug 2 2018, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 2 2018, 12:48 AM) I am also in the same situation you facing at the moment. Height of 179cm and mass of 84 kg. I exercise and workout 3 times a week for 20 mins but damm hard to loose that annoying belly fat. I think you need to workout more. One hour a week is not intense enough.
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Xaser_3
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Aug 2 2018, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Aug 2 2018, 12:16 PM) I think you need to workout more. One hour a week is not intense enough. Yes, you are right. I need to find the time to perform more workout sessions. Thank you for the feedback.
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TSalcohol
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Aug 2 2018, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(Kaellis @ Aug 2 2018, 08:23 AM) How do you get the fat estimation? Any body pics or measurements? easier to just cut until skelly then do lean bulking estimation based on the electronic weighing scale nia.... Just wanted to know .. based on my stats... should cut or should bulk Looking at the replies.. seems like its best to cut till fats is low then only lean bulking.. as u said
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overfloe
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Aug 2 2018, 08:59 PM
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Yes, exactly. Assuming ur bodyfat estimation is on point, eat less (calorie deficit). Get enough protein during your cut (2g per bodyweight), fat around 20% and fill up the rest with carbs. Cut your calories by 15% as a start. You should be able to maintain your strength and muscle mass with not so aggressive cut. After 2 months, recalculate your TDEE and daily cal intake. Lift weights at least 1hr per workout session. Cut until your bodyfat level is less than 15% (lower the better) before you start to lean bulk.
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Xaser_3
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Aug 2 2018, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 2 2018, 08:59 PM) Yes, exactly. Assuming ur bodyfat estimation is on point, eat less (calorie deficit). Get enough protein during your cut (2g per bodyweight), fat around 20% and fill up the rest with carbs. Cut your calories by 15% as a start. You should be able to maintain your strength and muscle mass with not so aggressive cut. After 2 months, recalculate your TDEE and daily cal intake. Lift weights at least 1hr per workout session. Cut until your bodyfat level is less than 15% (lower the better) before you start to lean bulk. Sounds like a lot of serious discipline and dedication in order to achieve.
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TSalcohol
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Aug 3 2018, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 2 2018, 09:46 PM) Sounds like a lot of serious discipline and dedication in order to achieve. To be great we have to discipline abit lo... have to sacrifice some time off from my gaming/mamak session .... sleep early, workout more.. but counting calories is really hard work... I have to admit haha!!
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Xaser_3
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Aug 3 2018, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(alcohol @ Aug 3 2018, 11:35 AM) To be great we have to discipline abit lo... have to sacrifice some time off from my gaming/mamak session .... sleep early, workout more.. but counting calories is really hard work... I have to admit haha!! You are absolutely right Bro, hence the reason why I gave up counting calories a long time ago. I just eat moderately without over indulgence.
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lingleeyen
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Aug 3 2018, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 2 2018, 08:59 PM) Yes, exactly. Assuming ur bodyfat estimation is on point, eat less (calorie deficit). Get enough protein during your cut (2g per bodyweight), fat around 20% and fill up the rest with carbs. Cut your calories by 15% as a start. You should be able to maintain your strength and muscle mass with not so aggressive cut. After 2 months, recalculate your TDEE and daily cal intake. Lift weights at least 1hr per workout session. Cut until your bodyfat level is less than 15% (lower the better) before you start to lean bulk. ^This. TS remember to lift those compounds and keep the weight 'heavy'.
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overfloe
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Aug 5 2018, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 2 2018, 10:46 PM) Sounds like a lot of serious discipline and dedication in order to achieve. Yup. Calorie count is important during a cut, but not so during maintenance. Count is also important during a lean bulk as you do not want the excess fatgainz by eating too much.
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Xaser_3
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Aug 27 2018, 06:17 PM
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Great news, I cut my diet and abstained from eating any oily and fried food the last 2 weeks, increased my workout to 6 days in a week and I am so happy I actually managed to shed 5kg's. Thank you for all the advise and encouragement guys!
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internaldisputes
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Aug 27 2018, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Aug 27 2018, 06:17 PM) Great news, I cut my diet and abstained from eating any oily and fried food the last 2 weeks, increased my workout to 6 days in a week and I am so happy I actually managed to shed 5kg's. Thank you for all the advise and encouragement guys! Wow, that's awesome. Congratulations! Keep it up!
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Xaser_3
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Aug 27 2018, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Aug 27 2018, 07:31 PM) Wow, that's awesome. Congratulations! Keep it up!  Thank you, Bro! Appreciate the motivational support 👍👍✌
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DrBarbarian
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Aug 28 2018, 11:30 AM
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I reduce my calorie intake by around 500 for 2 weeks... can really feel weak while working out now.....
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Xaser_3
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Aug 28 2018, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Aug 28 2018, 11:30 AM) I reduce my calorie intake by around 500 for 2 weeks... can really feel weak while working out now.....  I know the feeling after reducing my calories. Sometimes I felt as though I was hallucinating until I realized it was actually my body which is weak.
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TSalcohol
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Aug 28 2018, 04:15 PM
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i'm counting my calories now.. still seem pretty hard to achieve 190g of protein daily but my carb always hit 100g easily .. haha
my split 95g C/ 190g P / 85g F / calories goal of 1900 .
working out hard 3 days a week. loss around 1kg so far.. 79kg. It's been a month now.
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