yea blame someone who bring the 'big stadium vs small stadium' , 'fan killing fan' and 'Argentina vs English League'..

i'm not even sure what kind of shit u trying to spit out

u're comparing something that happen 20+ years ago to now.

couldnt not agree more than this... someone just cant read the title

Heard about the cop that got killed by Catania fans in Italy? English hooligans are not as notorious as they used to be. Rarely do you see and incidents these days in the EPL or the whole of England for that matter. What about the Ultra's? Football violence is a global issue, not an England one. What does this have to do with the quality of the league anyway?

I do agree that English fans are some of the most passionate and there's rivalry at almost every corner, dating back decades, even centuries. There is a lot of history in English football.

I have however seen the same degree of passion in other leagues, though perhaps not as widespread. Fans of clubs in smaller leagues like Olympiacos, Besiktas, Torino and the Sicilian clubs are just as fanatical and passionate as anyone else.

English fans getting stabbed in Turkey? Italian cope murdered in Italy? Deportivo fan killed?

Don't kid yourself, football violence exists everywhere
http://www.ex.ac.uk/~watupman/undergrad/ro...anismeurope.htm

Please try not to be so ignorant in the future.

And when you say this "Kops fan kill 39 Italian", you are asking for trouble aren't you? Liverpool supporters (kops fan???) were pelted by missiles and charged at the chicken wire fence separating both fans. Italian supporters then tried climbing over the retaining wall that collapsed due to age. It's not like they pulled out AK-47's and gunned them down. Please show some respect to those that passed and not make it look like they were assassinated. I hope the 21 at the end of your nick does not indicate your IQ.

to everyone
i`m sorry 4 my overeaction
to Duke Red,btw i`m not 21 yr old,tq 4 ur advise

no reason to hate epl...i may dislike Arsenal the most....foreigner foreigner foreigner...

haha...looks like it sumhow went waaayyyyyy overboard..anyways da incident in 85 was a catastrophe..too many ppl died and alot of blame was put on liverpool fans..well u cant totally blame Liverpool fans though as they were not da one who started it...

My mom's fren who's a British and a live-long Liverpool fan told me bout tis particular incident..Liverpool fans at tat time was being targeted even by the local police..The Italian was the one who started throwing missiles and stuffs and it was natural esp for Eng to retaliate and hit back..When the fence broke down tat's wen all hell breaks loose..

Since then Eng fans have always been in the blacklist wen it came to football violence..stereotyping at it's best..

A bit OT but there's a really good book on English Hooliganism which provides great insight into the minds of these fanatics. Anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy? I don't mean Amazon lah, I mean like has anyone seen it in a bookstore here? Wait a minute, does anyone even read here?

Errmm...

Seems like this thread going to change topic regarding English fans..
Or try comparing the fans from all over the world ...

OK. back to the topic,

Why some people doesn't like EPL?

Because of people like Roman, Glazer, Hicks, Thaksin, tycoon, billionaire invade
It's all about money now...not passion, not for the good of the game.
Does success cost you so much?!!

Play ugly to win, pay more $$$ to play, tap player with $$$,
ridiculous price for $#!t player, what's next?!
Build a super duper talented elite player (and youngster) squad (formation: 9 defense & 1 striker-big one and know how to langgar defend) + build super seater stadium and fans will come to the street (from nowhere<--trust me, i've seen this) wearing their jersey and saying, " i'm a die-hard supporter of XXXXXXX" ?!!

Change the topic - EPL (say what you wanna say)

haha...kepet seems like an extremist..u go man!!

This post has been edited by Reimao: Jun 11 2007, 05:36 PM

I agree with the decline in passion but I disagree it's a problem limited to the EPL. Footballers in Spain and Italy get paid just as much.

Incidentally, here's a list of the worlds richest clubs:

This is interesting though, there are 8 English clubs in the top 20. If they're so rich, how come West Ham and City were fighting relegation? Now we know why Roeder left because with the money they have, he has underperformed as manager. The Spanish giants still lead the way though.



If I read your comments correctly, they are centred around 1 particular club and not the whole of the EPL. Some of us have yet to splurge insurmountable amounts of money on players. Some of us still play in 45,000 seater stadiums. Most of your observations can be descriptive of almost any league, not just the EPL. You just read about it more because of the exposure received by the EPL.

next time, read properly, and post properly.. especially 21 thing stuff

No name calling and no personal insult please. Everyone has the right to like or to hate any league they want. But please do not give invalid and wrong facts if you just don't like other league. Please give some respect to those victims. Let them rest in peace.

And one thing i urge fans not to compared MAnUtd's cash to Chelsea's cash for one simple reason.

ManUtd PLC. ( at that time ) earn every single bit of cash on their own. Chelsea just took oil money from russia.

No offence , but thats the fact.

OT,

Yes it's a fact. No doubt about it. And it's fact also now MU received money from the yankees. The only different is what MU has is not as much as Chelsea got. But, I believe the shopping spree for Chelsea is over. MU spent almost 50 million pound for 3 players while Chelsea paid only 1US dollar for the same number of players.

This post has been edited by bwan: Jun 12 2007, 12:53 AM

Abrahimovich is more into the steel business nowadays.

well MU din really spend much last season..so tat's y they spend more tis season..do bear in mind tat the fund we got tis time around is a combined one and not for tis season alone..

and if MU had gotten OH last season den we will only spend 30mil tis season which is considered ok for 2 players..over price?a bit but they stil got at least 20 years ahead of them..

eventhough Chelsea only spent 1pound tis season doesnt mean they're gonna do tat every year rite?well Chelsea did get 2 highly rated players and paid them the highest wage ever..but den again they din perform well..if u ask me 30mil for a player who'd hit 30 years old is expensive..and to pay a player who'd oso hit 30 130k pound per week is oso expensive..

haha...sorry if i offended any Chelsea fans out there..juz wanna protect my team..its natural aint it?

This post has been edited by Reimao: Jun 12 2007, 02:50 AM

OT, bwan too early to say that la,i think chelsea still need power up the back4 ,alex wont be coming back so phone right?but getting pizarro in free transfer is a very good deal hope he don turn out crappy

Fingers crossed mate. Not another Kezman hopefully. We don't know what's going to happen next. Noone knows what Roman going to do with his money. But, if we looked at how he didn't fulfill Jose's request for injured Terry's replecement in last January transfer window, it's like he won't spend like before.

Reimao bro, no heart feeling bro. You did what you have to do for your own team and so do I.