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post Aug 10 2018, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 10 2018, 11:35 AM)
Read again. He did not say He was God, He just telling them the truth, that His memories were His Father's memories. Their action was because of their own foolish understanding - that He claimed Himself God at that time. What I want to point out here is what Jesus acquired from Peter on his own admission that He was the Son of God. And Jesus replied to Peter that his answer was a direct revelation from God.
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Yes He did

John 10:31-36

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’d ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Note that Christ asked them a question that lead to the revelation, He is also God?

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post Aug 10 2018, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 10 2018, 11:54 AM)
Or maybe I made a mistake?

I checked in John 14:28,
You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

That must mean Jesus was STILL at a lesser status prior to His ascension to Heaven.

But Son most definitely not equal (in status) to Father as the above verse suggested. And that disproves the trinity again when one of its tenet is Co-Equal.
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Yes I'm aware of this verse.

It's the one mystery which I've yet to understand completely but if my understanding is right, it means that the Son of God is in submission to the Father's will. Doesn't mean they're different in degree of power or divinity.

Jesus repeated said He did not do all that he did on his own accord but doing according to his father's will or work.

Yet it shows different persons not the same person.

One more verse to showcase this:

John 14:23 (NIV) - Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

The word "we" is there.
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post Aug 10 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Aug 10 2018, 03:14 PM)
Phil. 2 cover this mah:

Verses 6 through 7 say, "Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped, But emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men." Christ was entitled to lawfully hold His existence in the form of God; He is worthy to hold this as His right. Therefore, He "did not consider being equal with God a treasure to be grasped." He "emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming in the likeness of men."  The mind of Christ (Paul referring to) involves Him giving up His legal right.
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Makes sense if Christ was referring to his humanity side when talking about God the Father being "greater". hmm.gif
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post Aug 12 2018, 01:58 PM

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NOTHING TO DO, ONLY BELIEVE

John 6:28–29 (NIV) - …“What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


When the jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:30–31). The "greatest miracle" in your life happens not by you working and trying to save yourself, but by you simply believing in Jesus who died to save you from eternal damnation and to give you eternal life.

Why then, should the lesser miracles of healing or financial breakthroughs be any different and not work on the same premise of faith?

I leave this to your thoughts.

God Bless

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post Aug 14 2018, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Aug 14 2018, 03:12 AM)
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Hallo there.

Obedience is important but it's the fruit, not the root as the contention. Fruit meaning, it's origin is from the HS. Hence we cannot use it as justification because we can't force it out of a person. If you content on that, you'll have to contend against God's working in the person's life. When you enforce the idea that obedience is needed for justification, that makes it a work. Do not think the definition of work refers typically to works of charity, etc. In the Greek definition, it encompasses whatever originated from Man, that would include Man's performance.

My opinion is, we need to be patience with people and let God be God working, not US trying to instill unnecessary fear into the person's life.

The dying thief is the root evidence of the gospel, that Salvation is by Faith and through the Grace of Christ. There is no need for any other examples. How he got saved...is the same way with the rest of us...By Faith and by Grace.


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post Aug 16 2018, 08:24 AM

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Both are Christian singers. cool.gif
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post Aug 17 2018, 08:52 AM

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I've always love this song: hint Christian band!



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post Aug 20 2018, 09:53 AM

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The Flesh in reference to bread of life (as opposed to death), I believe refers to the Holy Communion bread.

We eat it believing Christ death and resurrection can being life of health into the body.

And again this is only for those who believes.
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post Aug 21 2018, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 21 2018, 08:27 AM)
"The interesting thing as that those who partake of the harlot church system believe the law of God was abolished through Christ. However, the 'fruit' of their lawlessness is well manifested today."

Taken from this site - Revelation 13, the False Christ, God the Son and the Trinity Doctrine

Whoever wants to bash me up for this, please, I welcome you to do that.
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Ephesians 2:15 (KJV) - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ abolished the imputation of God's Law, the condemnation, meaning to say....If you contradicts this; saying God's law is not abolished of it's imputation, you are contradicting this verse.

You can even paraphrase it, in the sense the Law is still required, it still contradict this verse. It's either Christ justifies you or the law justifies you, you can only choose one. God will not have both. (Galatians 5:4)

* This is only for believers and those who accept Christ. For the unbelievers..the law still stands against them.

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post Aug 21 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 20 2018, 11:19 PM)
I think I have found the simplest answer to what Faith REALLY means.

Faith is simply this: To act on the Will of God.

1. First LISTEN to His Voice.
2. Then act on it.
3. That is true faith.

John 10:27
My sheep HEAR My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by HEARING, and hearing by the word of God.

John 8:47
He who is of God HEARS God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.

Hebrew 11:1
Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

Simply believing, and/or doing any good work ain't going to cut it, for God will consider that filthy. It must be an action based on His will that we must be able to hear.

The thief on the cross was saved because he chose to defend Jesus from the mockery of the other thief. That was the will of God he heard from his heart on which he responded to.

Rahab the prostitute was saved because she chose to hide the messengers from the King of Jericho, even though she put herself in danger of doing it. She responded and acted on the will of God that was put in her heart.
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No you missed the point completely, nevermind.

*I see there are still attempts to justify the dying thieves salvation on ground of "doings/performance" other than the ground of grace. The point is not about defending Jesus but to prove his talk with his walk and that will take time as evidence to others because anybody can just "talk". Yet....the thief was granted Salvation apart from that opportunity to prove himself..which proves God's grace as the ground and basis of Salvation.

You can quote the "penitence thief"...the 7 steps the thief did, whatever it is...it's still "talk". The thief is a bullet proof evidence, quite impossible to break in argument that the Gospel outlined in the Bible is consistent...which is Salvation is by Grace of God and given by Faith through confession of the mouth, in essence NOTHING TO DO, ONLY BELIEVE. (Context is justification).

Now no where am I teaching, don't do anything as Christians...that is another matter altogether. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 21 2018, 11:48 AM

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There are erroneous teaching propagated that you will never know if your sins are truly forgiven

The Answer to counter that is found here:


1 John 2:12 (NIV) - I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven through His name.

Past tense.


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post Aug 23 2018, 10:24 PM

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Anthony Hopkins From Atheist to Believer of God
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post Aug 27 2018, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 27 2018, 08:41 AM)
A pleasure to answer this. With pride, I will boast in the Lord of the blessed Truth that God gives me,

John 10:30
I and My Father are one.


John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?


John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”


Then Paul confirmed the Oneness of God in Jesus Christ,

Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;


If Jesus Christ is FULLY GOD, then for a trinitarian He must be three persons, which is an impossibility, since Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John bore witness that Jesus Christ IS ONE.

And even an Angel became the witness of the Jesus as the Only True God.

Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”


Listen carefully, this is the SHEMA of Israelites in the past and present, which all of us SHOULD confess and utter every day.

Deuteronomy 6:4
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is ONE!


And only a fool cannot and will not see the above evidence and still want to twist the meaning of the Scriptures to fit their foolish trinity doctrine.

So my advice is: be careful who you pray to, because of this verse,

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH.”


The trinity doctrine is mainstream Christianity. It is widely popular, widely accepted, and the most obvious road for a person to choose. But just remember on this verses,

Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


God is a jealous God. So we should be very careful who we worship. Remember the story of Micah in Judges 17. He was a man full of zeal for God, yet his way of worship was not the correct way to worship God. And because of him, he introduced idolatry in the people of Israelites.
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Those verses shows the Triune part, then there are also the distinct part, for example when Christ cried to Father God at the cross. If they are one and the same, meaning no distinction, Christ shouldn't be crying "My God My God, why have you forsaken me".

He can't be forsaking himself, doesn't make any sense then.

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post Aug 28 2018, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:45 AM)
Jesus was fully human with a will of his own, yet at the same time submitted himself to the will of His father.

Fully Man, yet fully God as well. I hope that can make it enough for you to understand. Explaining it outside of this makes God less omnipresence. God is Spirit is everywhere, that even the flesh of Jesus cannot contain God, yet Jesus was the very representative of God. Jesus was like God's own mirror which men can see and touch.
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Hey Bro..if Jesus submitted himself to the will of His father, that means there is distinction. hence Trinity is a possibility only God can exhibit.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 09:57 AM)
Of course. Did Jesus pray again to God after His resurrection? He was fully human while still alive.
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Yes? Interceding for us in Heaven? that is praying to the Father.
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 28 2018, 10:24 AM)
To intercede is definitely not God praying to God.

Jesus is the bridge between us and God. He made it possible since man declared war on God in the Garden of Eden. Naturally, men are the enemy of God. Naturally, we are fated to go to hell with 100% surety, even if we consider ourselves good. So Jesus is the peacemaker. Without Jesus, it is impossible for any man to be saved.
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laugh.gif , okay if interceding is not one praying to another then....whatever suits you.
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post Aug 29 2018, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Aug 28 2018, 10:29 PM)
Pray for me.

I so stress at work. Got boss everyday want to issue disciplinary action at me. I not saying I am top performer but I am just average joe work hard for co.

But now boss trying to get people to bypass me.

Sigh so tired man.

Ridiculous lah, my performance is not exactly that bad, also kena.

I really feel like very yin wong.
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Bro, I always encourage that you will pray because nobody prays better than you. Sure we will agree with you in prayer but great changes happens when you yourself pray and believe.

Take God's word as power over your situation.

Romans 8:28 New International Version (NIV)
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Don't worry on the part where it says "who have been called according to his purpose", it's not referring pastors or missionaries. That verse just means If you belong to Christ, God will work everything in your life. If you believe, God will change your situation even causing your enemies to be at peace with you.

Proverbs 16:7 (NIV) - When the LORD takes pleasure in anyone's way, he causes their enemies to make peace with them.

It's very beneficial, to leave behind the system of this world and just get hook to God. Don't love this world brother.

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post Aug 29 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 29 2018, 08:31 AM)
@Haledoch

You affirm that there's God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit too.

That's no different than the trinitarian confession.

The point of contention is this, the new testament did not say God the Father is God the Son or God the Spirit.

Scripture makes distinction, that is why we make a distinction.

Calvin wrote thay the trinity was defined in the early churches to counter heretical teachings, not only modalism, but teachings that denied the deity of Christ(arianism), docetism (Christ was a phantom ghost), and plenty more.

They needed a precise confession that was true to the teaching of the bible, thus the doctrine of trinity.

I find that it is still the most precise confession, any other formula will be contradictory, incoherent, or illogical.

I dont see a point in fighting if you cant see this. I wish you well.
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I find it weird...If haledoch acknowledge Jesus, Father God and Holy spirit...then that's the Trinity...He just doesn't understand that God has this ability to be Triune and yet Distinct at the same time.

only God has that kind of ability. I think I've said this before, when we try to force fit the trinity to human understanding, there will be rejecting because it doesn't make logical sense.
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post Aug 29 2018, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 29 2018, 08:53 AM)
The confession that God is 1 in essence, 3 in persons might not make the fullest sense now, but it is not contradictory.

For example, if we say is God is one in A, but 3 in B, that is not contradictory and being faithful to the text of scriptures.
But how it works behind the curtains, we can only know when we are all glorified. Trying to understand this now is futile.
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IMO, in order for God to be God, there must be an aspect that we don't understand everything of God, else it contradicts the definition of God.

This is the same problem when critics of Christianity, especially..... atheists try to put God in a box we created. Under a scientific microscope they can understand.

God has to be above and beyond logic, the confine of time space and matter.

For me, even if the understanding of trinity seems contradictory to the human understanding, it is alright, nothing wrong because after all, it is God.

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