Morning Guys....for the matter of Trinity, best is to accept it as it is.
A divine mystery which so fits the power of God. What seems impossible to the mind is possible with God.
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Aug 3 2018, 10:34 AM
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Morning Guys....for the matter of Trinity, best is to accept it as it is.
A divine mystery which so fits the power of God. What seems impossible to the mind is possible with God. |
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Aug 3 2018, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 3 2018, 10:57 AM) The trinity doctrine is tainted with the blood of an innocent christian and his name is Michael Servetus. That alone is proof enough of its falseness. I think as Christian we need to detached from looking at people as role models....it is biblical to hold such a detached view for a simple reason. All human beings are flawed BUT that does not mean God cannot use flawed people. That would include John Calvin. Even Moses killed an innocent Man, God used him still. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 3 2018, 11:22 AM |
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Aug 3 2018, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 3 2018, 01:01 PM) What Moses did has nothing to do with spreading the gospel. He committed grevious sin, and God convicted him, and which is why he ran to the desert. Your reasoning because a Man of God murdered someone..hence he's not qualified to be part of God's plan, ie preaching the gospel. It shouldn't be just limited to preaching or teaching, if you take it from a holistic view.Jesus asked Peter to lay down the sword when Peter tried to defend him from being captured. Now why would Jesus deviated from his teaching of love by allowing John Calvin to kill another believer for the sake of defending his gospel? Same with David, he killed Uriah, how can the Bible calls him One who is close to God's heart? |
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Aug 6 2018, 09:58 AM
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Morning guys,
I think it's far more important If God is moving in your life. Share your testimony. Bible says ...one of the ways the devil is defeated is by testimony. (Revelation 12:11) That is one evidence, you're keeping in step with God's Spirit. No point to argue how much you know about God, but there's a lack of divine intervention in your life and If all you do here is argue argue argue and you being mean to others, that is just empty religion. *funny how I did ask one person here to share his testimony but.........oh well. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 6 2018, 10:00 AM |
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Aug 6 2018, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 6 2018, 09:52 AM) Then can you help me with what is wrong with the verse below? Using you trinitarian view. Bro..which translation you use?In 2 John 1:7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge God Almighty Father as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. https://biblehub.com/2_john/1-7.htm This link shows...Jesus Christ, not God Almighty Father. Even Young's Literal Translation says Jesus Christ. |
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Aug 6 2018, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(konholio @ Aug 6 2018, 10:15 AM) Morning, CG leader is something there.......Sorry, different topic, want your opinion on when is ok to leave a church and got to another church. I am a committed member. A CG leader. A sinner and not perfect. Please don't judge me. A new Pastor took over the church for 1 and half years. After another Pastor leave to respond God's calling to another area. Lets' call the new Pastor Tony. Tony has never attended Bible College. He got his Degree in Theology thru online study. Share sermon only once or twice a week. the rest invite speaker to our church. Tony travel at least once a month to speak in another church in different places. His sermons keep on repeating his testimony from more than 10 years ago. If not very abstract that not sure how to take it into action. Like Jewish calendar year 5778 is a blessing year... Sometime I don't agree with his sermon and the way he interpreted Bible verses. Tony didn't care too much about church administration. He leave it to his wife to manage. He said he want to focus on nurture the church. Now he is focus on building business men fellowship. I really think Tony did not do his part to nurture the church. People are slowly leaving. I am also burnt out. I am also struggling with the decision to stay or leave. Should I find a new church? Please delete this if it is not appropriate. Just curious....but you can't grow through the other invited preachers? I mean their sermons...don't help? |
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Aug 6 2018, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 6 2018, 10:43 AM) So you confess God Almighty Father is not Jesus Christ. Which means God The Father did not become flesh, God the Holy Spirit did not become flesh, only God the Son became flesh. If all three Gods, or persons, are co-equal and co-creator and co-eternal, to create human being, why only one person had to drink the cup of sufferings while the other 2 persons relax in heaven? If they are in union, or united, or in-sync, or whatever you want to call that, why not all 3 persons became flesh? No I'm not talking about that but which translation you're using?If only one person became flesh, how can we say God became flesh when the other 2 persons did not? Does it not show you how the trinity doctrine manages to make you agree that the one true God, did not became flesh? When a person denies God became flesh then he fits the bill of an anti-christ. |
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Aug 6 2018, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(konholio @ Aug 6 2018, 10:44 AM) it helps, in term of be salt and light, Help poor and needy. But the new pastor has spin off the ministry to care for poor and needy. Which makes me think why i need to stay. I don't have a reason to stay. Okay this is my personal view.I am not thinking about leaving my faith but should I find a new "home". Helping the poor and reaching out to others is one of the ultimate good works which we all should do as Christians. It completes our religion. AND......................If the invited pracher's sermons help you to grow, I don't see why you should leave. |
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Aug 6 2018, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(konholio @ Aug 6 2018, 10:57 AM) 1. Invited preacher drain church resource($$$). As a pastor, he did not do his part to nurture the church himself. Using church resource to invite speakers, using church resource to fund him to speak in another church. You mean the current direction = geared towards more for young adult and you felt left out..is that....why you're leaving?2. I am no longer in the church direction/theme which is young adult. 3. Feeling this is a touch and go pastor. Thanks for replying. |
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Aug 6 2018, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 6 2018, 11:03 AM) NIV, just that I change the word Jesus Christ to God Almightly Father because He IS God. Is that wrong? I see..I ask because I thought there's a new translation in the market that actually uses God the Father.Ok...now back to your question. I think the reason why you can't accept trinity is maybe..I say maybe, you're trying to define it by how you understand things are logically possible from our understanding. I think for God to be "God"...we need to give room...there are aspects of God ..that we may not fully comprehend. Why? Because He is beyond us. So how to solve this? Just accept God for who He is....If God can be distinct in 3 persons and yet is One as God, then that is what it is. You noticed the fact that Jesus did not pray to himself but spoke to God the Father and referred to Him as another person. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 6 2018, 11:39 AM |
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Aug 6 2018, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 6 2018, 02:22 PM) Not by being deceptive and changing scripture to your own whims and fancies. Actually the context of that verse has to do with verse 17...which talks about falling away from a secured position in the Lord...If I can say it, Salvation."As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16 If you think your beliefs have not been considered and debated before by the early Church, you are dead wrong. |
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Aug 6 2018, 03:34 PM
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Aug 6 2018, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 6 2018, 04:01 PM) It's not whatever floats my boat.2 Peter 3 talks about scoffers making fun of Christ second coming..questioning when is Christ ever coming..then it goes on to talk about lawlessness. The part where it says on distorting the scripture is with regards to the day of the Lord. Verse 17 is the context. Most likely insinuating God is never coming so you can live how you want, sin how you want. That is most likely the distortion. If I'm wrong, do show it to me. Haledoch isn't propagating lawlessness. He is for obediance to God And He loves God, just that He disagree on trinity. Sure..I mean you and I disagree with him on that but I think we shouldn't use scripture generally against people. Besides he already consider you as persecuting him as how the disciples were persecuted. QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 6 2018, 04:14 PM) I rather that you discuss with me rationally but up to you, if prefer to take flight and run away since all you're ever interested in this thread is to argue to show yourself knowledegable rather than grow spiritually and be somebody kind if not gentle as a Christian brother should be. * inb4 leave me alone...i don't have to be gentle (according to you) to a false teacher...lol ha ha ha. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 6 2018, 11:56 PM |
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Aug 7 2018, 10:53 AM
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Prayer
Mark 11:24 (NIV) - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. Prayer is not merited, not earned because you're obedient to God but works from the position of receiving by faith. There are believers who don't have it altogether in their life but God answers their prayers because of grace. Prayer is an expression of grace, meaning I cannot but God you can. God Bless *Be persistent in prayer, don't give up believing. Don't confess, nothing ever happens because that puts you in the position of the tossing waves in James 1:6. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 7 2018, 11:13 AM |
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Aug 7 2018, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 7 2018, 12:45 PM) He himself admitted to changing the scripture. Don't Protestants use Scripture as the standard to debate on issues? maybe he expected persecution because of his belief that trinity is wrong and maybe you didn't mean to but I think we shouldn't shun people away.So after admitting to changing scripture, he's playing the victim card now and claims I'm persecuting him? Gosh.... |
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Aug 9 2018, 08:24 AM
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tldr.
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Aug 10 2018, 08:52 AM
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There is another verse on Trinity, guys
John 5:31-32 (NIV) - 31“If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true. Do you see the word "another"? |
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Aug 10 2018, 10:24 AM
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Hence why I say, don't ever use scripture in abuse to attack others.
That would include those who call others as fake teachers. You know why? None of us qualify to throw anything. |
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Aug 10 2018, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Aug 10 2018, 10:44 AM) We are all called to teach, exhort each other in the understanding of scriptures. Hence why I say..don't use scripture to condemn others. If a self professed christian stands up and say Jesus is not the Christ, i would fight tooth and nail with him. what's disappointing is when a fellow believer of the scriptures condemns another because he disagrees with him. The true mark of one who follows Christ is by the walk of the person's love for one another. <--That is the ultimate test gauge. Because no matter how much you argue who is correct, no matter how much you try to impress others with how much you think you know...you're a clanging gong as how the Bible says when it's done in hostility or even sarcastically. The word of God even stress this quite seriously by saying; Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. I'm not blaming you per se..but just caution of others not to use scripture to attack anyone. *hinting it's not right of anyone to attack you even. IMO People like sylar and even desmond need to learn that. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 10 2018, 10:58 AM |
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Aug 10 2018, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Aug 10 2018, 11:05 AM) Sorry. I was just playing around. That is not true.Jesus said to Peter, who am I according to you, and Peter answered "You are the Son of God". Did Jesus said He was God at that time before He died? Then ONLY after Jesus was resurected again did Jesus used Thomas to confirm and be the witness to everyone that He had taken the form as God, the one and only God. Jesus as the Son of God before, as God after. He received from His Father the greatest reward, and the reward is inheriting the Father. John 10:33 (NIV) - "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." That is before the resurrection. If follow through that verse, Jesus did not deny and even admitted He is the son of God. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 10 2018, 11:08 AM |
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