Please include penguin in your prayers
Pray that strongholds are teared down & chains fall off.
Shalom
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Mar 16 2019, 11:43 PM
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Mar 17 2019, 01:57 AM
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Mar 20 2019, 06:22 PM
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Dear all,
Please include penguin in your prayers Pray that strongholds are teared down & chains fall off. Shalom |
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Mar 22 2019, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 21 2019, 05:53 PM) snip* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thomasthai Fire is not always bad. Cleansing & purifying/refiner's fire is good 'Destroying fire' at the end when the tares are burnt at the judgment, is bad. Thank you & God bless! |
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Mar 23 2019, 04:16 AM
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To unknown warrior. Regarding your post:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE I've seen these portion is the most heavily misunderstood among christian, and has been repeated quite often. If you say that the 10 commandments are mandatory and required for salvation, how do you explain this verse then? Galatians 5:4 (NIV) - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Whether you like it or not, when you say; to have Eternal life, one must adhere to the 10 commandments, then Galatians 5:4 either is an error or it contradicts. It goes without saying, to adhere to 10 commandments is to be justified in the sense of righteousness and sin. Very hard to discredit and argue this isn't it?... So you're basically saying that the 10 commandments are NOT mandatory & that we do NOT need to adhere to them any longer? Got you loud & clear buddy! But the Bible says : "Therefore, anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matt 5:19 “Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law” - Romans 3:31 "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." - Prov 29:18 Now, if you say that the Pharisees thought that their 'works'/Law keeping would be sufficient to save them, & therefore, they rejected the idea of a Messiah. Then that is true. That is self-righteousness. However, for you to say that since we who are already believers in Christ, no longer need to keep the commandments, is stretching it! Are keeping the commandments considered legalistic? Can you steal (8th)? Can you murder (6th)? How about, 'do not commit adultery'(7th)? Just to name a few. You are just pushing it, with this verse. I've seen you use Gal 5:4 again & again. This verse bothers you. QUOTE The Bible has repeatedly mention the purpose of God's law is to show up one's sin. In fact in 1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) it says: The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. How do you explain the power of sin = law? I've seen some who tried to explain it in the past it's very hard to dissuade from the fact, God's Law empower sin. Errrmm.....obviously the objective of God's Laws is to reveal one's sinful condition. So yes, that's the point. If there are no laws put in place in the 1st place, then naturally there will be no sins either! No cause & effect. Then anything goes! Logical isn't it? Why was Noah called a preacher of 'righteousness', UNLESS the anti-deluvians were committing trangressions against God's Laws which were set in place? Just like, if you were to tell your sons, "curfew in this home starts at 10pm." But if you didn't set any boundaries, they can come home after midnight & yet, are considered, to not have broken any household law. Another example, if you go above the speed limit, you're considered as breaking the law. But if you didn't set a speed limit at 90 km/h, then doing 200km/h is not considered speeding! Get it? Gal 5:4 is not even saying what you're trying to insinuate, though you've quoted this verse countless times in the past. So your angle of argument is very, very strange. Are you saying, the more regulations we set, the more we sin? QUOTE ...I've seen some who tried to explain it in the past it's very hard to dissuade from the fact, God's Law empower sin. Au contraire, God's Law keeps us AWAY from sin! How did you even conclude that The Law empowers sin is beyond me Pls re-check the meaning of 'empower' in your dictionary. & i'm not trying to demean you. You're effectively saying that God's LAW encourages sin! In fact, God's Laws are good & healthy! They don't cause you to commit even more sins! In fact, grace empowers us NOT to sin. The Bible says : "So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." - Romans 7:12 QUOTE Romans 3:20 (NIV) - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin That is why that young rich ruler went away sad. This also explains why Christ said He didn't come to remove the Law but to fulfill it. The laws of God is here to stay for people who thinks they can be justified through their performance through self righteousness and through the laws of God. ???????? Errrmmm......the rich young ruler went away sad BECAUSE Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth. - Matt 22:xx Could it be, that he was unwilling to give up his material wealth? Otherwise he would have been justified. He was disobedient! In fact, Jesus is saying the opposite of what you're suggesting! If Jesus had come to abolish the commandments, why did he tell this young man to keep them? However, Jesus told the young man in no uncertain terms that, if he expected to receive eternal life, he must keep the commandments! Jesus continues his answer to the young man: "Which ones?" [which commandments] the man inquired. Jesus replied, "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself" - Matt.19:18-19 Likewise, the same can be said about the fishermen who threw down their nets to follow Christ. They were obedient! Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” And at once they left their nets and followed Him. Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, mending their nets. Jesus called them, And at once they left their nets and followed Him. - Matt 4:19 Same situation with Abraham: "Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did." - James 2:21-22 See, Abraham was obedient! I just don't see how you can make the connection with Romans 3:20. Sorry, i really don't. I just can't. Again, if you begin with a presupposition, it is possible to allegorize just about anything to agree with your presupposition. I can clearly see that your preferred method of interpretation is eisegesis. You even dared to go so far, as to say: QUOTE The laws of God is here to stay for people who thinks they can be justified through their performance through self righteousness and through the laws of God. So we don't have to keep God's laws anymore, now that we are believers in Jesus Christ? Is that what you're saying? How are we justified again? According to your definition, what does 'FAITH' even mean? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE The reality is this: Every believer is NEVER perfect, will fall*, will sin here and there but the fact of the matter is, God will never depart his spirit, neither go back on His word to never reject the imperfect believer. Oh grace preacher, i implore you to not be terribly one-sided & extremist with your views, lest you get so blind-sided & misrepresent the gospel! It very much depends on where you draw the line/definition on "never perfect", "imperfect believer" & "will fall". & also your definition of "sin". But if you're not talking about 'sinless perfection', but rather, are referring to habitual, willful, and premeditated sin, then it's fine. Then we're in agreement. Otherwise.... God will only keep His side of the bargain, so long as we keep ours. That is what a bilateral covenant mean. Your teachings always only quote scriptures which support one side of the agreement, which is all of God's promises to us. You never mention about what we need to fulfill on our side. It's a conditional salvation. I've made this point to you many times. Not so sure if i agree with your green highlighted*, because in the Bible, David said, after he had slept with Bathsheba & murdered Uriah : "Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Do not banish me from your presence, and don’t take your Holy Spirit from me" - Psalm 51:11 and also, "Quench not the Spirit." - 1 Thessalonians 5:19 What happens when you quench a fire with water? It extinguishes. If you stifle someone, if you ignore your conscience repeatedly, etc. "And Jesus said to him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." - Luke 9:62 "holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,..." - 1st Tim 1:19-20 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matt 5:48 "Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall* by the same sort of disobedience." - Heb 4:11 "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct." -1 PXX forgot... "Pursue peace with all men, as well as holiness, without which, no one will see the Lord." - Heb 12:14 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." - 1st Peter 1:16 Please understand this is not personal, and I’m not trying to correct for the sake of ego, or arguing for argument’s sake. I’m putting in this disclaimer because I take issue with some of the points you tried to make. I believe you are a sincere believer in Jesus, but I do not think your comments should stand unchallenged. #nolegalism edit : While the Mosaic Laws are no longer in effect, not a tittle or jot of the Moral Laws have been done away with. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matt 5:18 The spiritual laws called the 10 cmmdmts are to be kept! & that includes the 4th cmmndmt This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Mar 23 2019, 06:05 AM |
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Blessed Easter guys |
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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Mar 25 2019, 03:50 PM) Well not always, but at least the context of the text in Matthew is about judgement. Just a Bible believing Christian Just curious, are a you a Methodist? Have never really attended Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican churches, etc. Weddings maybe. Have attended both Charismatic/Pentecostal (30+ years) & non-Charismatic (8 years) church though. The manifestations of the HS are still in operation today. It's the empowerment from on high for the extension of God's Kingdom. Just go claim the '9 spiritual gifts' thomas. It's all available to you!!! cessationism is not true. Don't think too much. Just pull your nose out of the Bible & receive in Faith. Your walk will never be the same again! John answered them all, "I baptize you with water, but One is coming who is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to untie the strap of His sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." - Luke 3:16 Baptism of the HS is a separate experience. Go get some! » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 11 2019, 12:39 AM) maybe KLBoy can take over, since he's always online, if he's willing though. We try someone new for V15? KLthinker91 QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 14 2019, 08:37 AM) snip* Given your serious allegations & respectfully coming from you, i trust that they are all first person accounts & not merely hearsay, eh jul? But I have met many rich men in the church who have no second thoughts about joining in the corruption wagon to get rich. I do not know if they are still sinning. That was when they do not preach against the rich Chinese towkays who kept mistresses. Knowing that they do. SIBKL has 4k members, so i'm sure in every congregation, there will be bad eggs, no? Wheat & tares? They seem to be very transparent with where their funds are going. Have been church planting very well in your home state. They gave a break down of the funds at the 1st service of the year. Particularly active arnd the Ranau area (missions) if i'm not mistaken, where witchcraft is extremely strong. Also, the pastors are highly accountable to each other. They slug it out, or so i've heard. You know, Ps Chew admitted that he fell morally some 30 odd years ago, at one of the services a few months back. You could literally hear a pin drop atm across the sanctuary QUOTE(TheRant @ Aug 19 2019, 04:24 PM) 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Dear penguin,To the other guy. A higher regard for other Christians might be in the works for u. I don't agree with Cessationists & Calvinists & OSAS people either. But i never tell them that they're not SAVED. Like, for instance, when you PM'ed me some time back, telling me i'm not saved So, is this guy zanness saved? Since he's also a KJV ONLY BAPTIST OSAS advocate like your good self? : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=93505071 https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=93627247 U have no business telling others that they do not revere the Bible as much as, or quite possibly more than you do, just because you're KJV only. So what Bible do non-english speaking Christians read? e.g. KJV Swahili? The problem is that you seem unable to discuss something without digging at people personally...occasionally some people need a reminder that their remarks are unacceptable. It is unacceptable to berate others because they do not share your opinion. Btw, did the mods ban your penguin a/c for misbehaviour again? I've plenty of doctrinal differences with UW, but never once, have i PM'ed him, calling him a dog & spitting in his face, spirit of anti-Christ, etc. Christians are judged by their fruits. Perhaps you should describe yourself as a Bible reader instead, rather than a Christian? |
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