Medical Science today confirms, a baby does not get blood from the Mother. Life is in the blood.

IMO Jesus can be born Sinless because he's conceived by the HS, Mary's body supplied oxygen and nutrients but not the blood.

in summary: Mary has sin like all of us and thus should not be adored until borderline worship.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 12 2019, 10:49 AM

It always has been that way from Catholic POV.


probably for political reasons. Don't let it affect you.

I would agree Mary IS highly favor for a simple reason; she's the one chosen to born Christ, that is all. In that sense, She is highly favored in the context of being chosen compared to all the women in the world. That does not mean she suddenly become sinless. That would contradict the truth and consistency of God's word when scripture clearly tells us, All have sin and fallen short....else it should have recorded, All have sin and fallen short "accept for Mary".

If indeed Mary has the same Fullness of Grace as Christ did, Bible would have recorded of her dispensing miraculous powers of the Lord. But there was none. And if you're going to quote, she gave birth without pain according to rabbinical writings (I wouldn't take that as scripture truth), sorry bro, those are miraculous power of God that came on her, not her performing miracles, that's the difference.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 13 2019, 04:21 PM

I think you misunderstand what I'm trying say. My contention is that full grace here equates to divine person of Christ being sinless and also being God. Mary is a normal person who has sin. Catholics doctrine see's otherwise.

IN that interpretation we disagree.

*Not arguing when she's given grace.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 14 2019, 09:13 AM

but problem is, some of your catholic brethren venerate her as divine which I personally feel very uncomfortable. For me I don't see the reason why, neither the need to venerate Mary as how your catholic venerate other saints and angels. I guess we have different perspective of things when it comes to Christianity, however I hope that doesn't cause you to think any less of us who are not catholics.

For me I don't judge whether catholics are saved, you believe in Christ then you're a bro in Christ to me. However if you think we protestant are never a church or a Christian, then that will not bold well for unity as how Christ prayed in the garden of Gethsemane.


One more thing, you are quite wrong in the matter of washing of sin. Baptism in water does not wash away sins. It's the blood of Christ that washes away sin. Because if you insist Baptism does wash away sin, then the thief on the cross wasn't baptized in water, yet Christ permitted him to paradise, you'll have a hard time to argue against that.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 15 2019, 11:06 AM

Actually, apostle Paul commended many women in joined work for God's kingdom in the Bible. Therefore it should not be that women are not allowed to teach or lead because if that is true, then the commended women of bible days would have not preached in public where there were Men and Women alike.

On the surface reading may seem to be pointing to women in general but if you read in context, it's very likely referring to husband and wife in the matter of authority.

Did you know; Phoebe, a leader from the church at Cenchreae, ......Paul attaches to her three titles: diakonos meaning a deacon, sister, and prostatis meaning "a woman in a supportive role, patron, benefactor"? A Deacon is someone in authority and also one who teaches.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2019, 10:33 AM

For me I have no issue with it.

All the Women must be silent scripture verse..as I've said refers to Authority between Husband and Wife in context.

if you think about it, what in the world is the phrase child bearing has to do with anything and why mention it in the same chapter?

There is also a debate on the person of "Junia" in the Bible. Scholars could not readily agree whether the person is male or female but modern New Testament scholars agreed is a "she".

Who is Junia? She's an apostle of Christ. What is an apostle and what are the office role? The term "apostle" connotes the highest level of leadership and authority in the early church.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2019, 12:05 PM

Talking about creation order, citing Adam and Eve, aren't they also considered husband and wife so to speak?

I think family settings starts from verse 11. Verse 8 & 9 would refer to Man and Women in general. It's a bit tricky with the Greek and Hebrew for that matter because the phrase Man can also refer to both Man and Woman.

For example....in the early verse "All those who are in authority", would include women too, yet Bible records the phrase man in verse 1 of the same chapter.

Erm, which part is the problem?

And...?

So where is the problem? If she's married then her head authority at home is her husband.

But if she's appointed as a pastor, then she has authority in church.

Think of it this way, being a pastor is a calling and God appointed. It's a matter of divine calling.

I think you confuse, just because the husband is the head in the house, that does not makes him automatically the head in the church, unless He is called too to be a pastor then He would be head in the church.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2019, 09:34 PM

Read the foot note. The word women there refers to ...or Wife.


Of course not.

again, read the foot note


Or of the wife is her husband

It's in NIV

And in the Greek, the word = guné which can refer to Woman or wife.

Intepretation leans more towards the wife, why? As I've said, why put in the word "childbearing" in the same chapter?

Child bearing = Wife?

No?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 27 2019, 10:07 PM

Isn't correcting also a teaching?

What Aquila and Priscilla did in correcting Apollo should tell you, 1 Tim 2 is not referring to women in general but wives to their husband, I've even given you the example of Juniaa who was elected an apostle carrying the highest authority in early church. What more do you want if these doesn't explain?

Which is exactly the point; IF it points to all Women, that ALL Women must be quiet and cannot teach a Man, then pray tell me what has child bearing has to do with every women, all they are married?
I submit to you, the context leads more plausible of Wives to their husband. Of course not every wife will bear a child BUT you and I know, child bearing is sanction under marriage.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 28 2019, 08:40 AM

Haih Bro....I think I've explain enough, not here to force you to believe my interpretation. It's not even my interpretation, it's what the Bible records. The phrase child bearing is there, there are no insignificant details in the Bible, every word has a purpose and context.

But IMO when it comes congregational activities, sure why not, woman pastor allowed to teach the congregation. If in the days of Paul, women are doing that, what's the difference today? You seem to purposely ignore what you yourself just said in the examples of Aquila and Priscilla. Sometime I just don't understand you.

Peace yo.

The prayer of a righteous person avails much!


James 5:16 (NIV) - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

Good Day dear believers,

I'm going share something that will help you in your prayers. We all know James 5:16. but what is a righteous person?
Under the New Covenant, righteousness is not the righteousness of doing right. I repeat, a believer becomes righteous not because he has done righteous things.

Galatians 2:21 (New Living Translation)
I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

It is a righteousness of Faith.

Romans 3:22 (NIV) - This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,

When you understand that you are righteous by faith and that you are this same righteous person that James 5:16 talks (righteous by faith) about, your prayers will avail much. The devil will have a hard time resisting you? Is it that simple? Yes. In Jesus Name, may this be revealed to you.

I pray this will revolutionize your life. Do not be deceive to think only high level priest or pastor have effective prayers. You have as much influence in pray to God as they do.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 1 2019, 02:53 PM