Great post ThomasThai, but that's the longest extended version and the shortest version has to this, on the subject most people missed this point, is complete & full understanding of the Greatest Commandment and the 2nd most important commandment, upon which the entire Law of Moses & the prophets teachings depends upon.

However I must warn all my dear brethren of my Lord, be exceptionally cautious when one speaks of performance, works etc of others, for that works or performance could very well be the works of the Spirit in those born again.

We would not err especially on those who are not born again but we risk too much if it's otherwise.

I've always love ❤️ miracles not only what God has done for me but also the miracles that our God has done for countless others and I can only give praise our Heavenly Father for such good works and performance that can never be achieve by man nor science. How great is our God !

I'd appreciate the warning ⚠️ notices for our brethren but remember the blade always cuts both ways. God Bless.

Yes you are correct those are called the fruits of the Holy Spirit, but for me, it's more than that because Scriptures also says when the Son of Man sets one free, one is totally & really free, it's like I was ”blind” and now I can see !

That's a very good question indeed receiving the Spirit either by works of the Law OR by believing whats heard.

Here's what what happened, those 2 conditions must be fulfilled before one is eligible to God to be born of the Spirit, for they are definately not mutually exclusive of each other.

If I could born of the Spirit by believing in what I heard, I would have been born again a very long time ago but that wasn't the case. Many R. Catholics would have been born again too under such circumstances. Otherwise why does Scriptures says "Why do you call me Lord, Lord but don't DO what I tell you ?" Surely they too must have heard the Word and believed for they too did DO miracles in the Lord's name.

You are probably going to ask what about the Good Thief ? I too had question this for a very long time and this came to me, it's all about repentance at that crucial point in time, between life & the afterlife. The Good Thief probably heard Him for the 1st time & he repented, so he is in paradise.

As for us, we have heard the Word and now we have a choice of doing what's called good works or otherwise.

As for works of the Law on the other hand, firstly its where man is tested like how gold is tested in fire. Correct this initial part is of human effort against the statutes of our Lord, the real standards, yet it means nothing until one has completed all of the training, just to be like our Master and Teacher Jesus Christ.

Afterwhich being born of the Spirit is by the grace of God, works or performance is simply mariculous, until today I have no explanations for nor do I need to know how it came to be. I can only give praise to our loving God otherwise I will be pulling all my hair out looking for a logical answer.

All of Scriptures speaks of the goodness of our Almighty God, the things He had done and is still doing for His people. I strongly believe if by hearing the message was only needed for Salvation without any good works whatsoever, then Scriptures would be extremely short indeed.

Finally having said that, out of all my extensive limited experience, if our loving Father wishes to grant salvation to those who only believes without doing any good works whatsoever ALTHOUGH THEY ARE CAPABLE OF SUCH GOOD WORKS, is there anything else I would dare add ?

After all, that's His Kingdom and He can do just about whatever He is pleased with and I would be a fool to show my displeasure.

heya~i'm been out of my fellowship very long, and i feel there's no need any fellowship for me,cause always i'm the one become invisible . my spiritual soul become more depended on myself(self centre), can help me solve this problem?

Oh yes Unknown Warrior, I understand you clearly. In fact if one were to analyze the Gospel properly, it's peppered throughout the Gospel with the word 'believe', which is the contentious issue at hand.

As I was writing the earlier reply, I was thinking how to address the word believe. During this weekend Mass, the reading about Elijah and the widow & her son plus another Gospel reading about the widow who put in 2 coins into the treasury, really hit a raw nerve when compared against what our Lord Jesus Christ is saying explicitly "Unless you people see signs & wonders, you will never believe."

I also know that there are many ways to Rome but at the end of the day it's all about one's need in seeking the heart of God first, until one is born again, which is all that matters.

Whether it's believing only or by works only or by both especially in my situation, does it really matter, as long one is born of the Spirit ?

Hi Unknown Warrior,

Yes what you written is true.

I've just instructed the stone mason to do up another bible for another tombstone with the verse John 3:16. Can anyone see what is the fulcrum in this verse ?

Thanks ! I had a dream last night that I was lost and I got no God words there to shine me though the ways

Ya , I use to serve in church but for my eyes condition I cannot serve anymore.i felt left out by church

Please pray for physical cleansing and protection for me

Thank you

i want to get right with God again

Thank you bro. I repent.

Has any of you encountered a situation where God speaks to you?

Been to a Charismatic church and they often say God speaks to them directly. God did answer my prayers but never spoke to me like how some of them claimed.

Does the person who is able to hear the voice of God closer to Him?

Sometimes, I seek for His guidance and I could find the answer in other means. As for the voice directly from God, so far never once if my memory serves me right.