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post Apr 3 2019, 09:15 AM

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Because of operated by TNI-AD, ideal for river crossing landing to make beachhead for pontoon bridge construction...

Should be enough to carry one infantry company and equipment in a single trip
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post Apr 4 2019, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 4 2019, 07:17 AM)
Surely will come with a long list of how they can't be used
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post Apr 5 2019, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Apr 4 2019, 07:18 PM)
why???scaneagle is good i think??what cant be use??
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Of course Scaneagle is good and capable....but there's certainly severe limitations on how it can be used ...
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post Apr 5 2019, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 4 2019, 10:43 PM)
New C-295 (CN-295) Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) for the Indonesian Air Force at PT Dirgantara Indonesia facility. Delivery is set for mid 2019. The aircraft is the first CN-295 MPA variant that PT Dirgantara Indonesia built. Credit to fiolina.sy.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BvSzSOqpzZh/

Segera Berdinas, CN295 MPA TNI AU Akan Diserahkan Pertengahan 2019
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The first? I thought PT DI already made numerous CN-235 MPA version
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post Apr 5 2019, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 5 2019, 06:45 PM)
Its the first MPA variant of the CN-295 by PTDI. You have mistaken it with the CN-235.
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Oww....sorry
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post Apr 8 2019, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 8 2019, 12:10 PM)
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How much does the TNI pay its wages, and how does it compare with the ATM?
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I don't know about ATM salary
http://medan.tribunnews.com/2019/03/26/ini...engan-pns-polri


QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 8 2019, 03:02 PM)
its their full-time shooting team, which other countries even USA dun have
certainly not the rifle cuz vietnam also using pindad rifle but they got dead last placing
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Vietnam uses SS-1....not SS-2
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post Apr 9 2019, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 9 2019, 01:54 AM)
internally there is not much difference between ss1 and ss2
its still pretty much an upgrade over its fnc lineage
laos uses the same rifle but they dun have much to show

as i said it was all about the team, once they send a coach from the team to brunei and they got very good result
but after he left, the brunei team standing goes downhill from there..
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SS2 has slightly longer barrel at 460mm and SS1 at 449mm

SS2 also has heavier barrel, so more resistant to heat buildup...

Of course, no matter how skilled the team is, they won't perform well with sub-par rifle.

At least, SS-2 is comparable to current modern rifles, like Austeyr and M16A4..... if not better than average
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post Apr 9 2019, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(balambgarden @ Apr 9 2019, 07:50 PM)
Most modern assault rifle can do that nowadays, that's a pretty common modification. Changing the barrel
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I mean, the standard barrel of SS2 is slightly longer and heavier than SS1.

QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 9 2019, 09:14 PM)
all the rifles brought to the meet are pretty capable capable weapons, even the old m16s
calling it subpar was a bit of a stretch, they as soldiers shud master their weapons to their fullest potential
yes its a pretty minor mods
as i said internally its the same
the major ss2 improvement is on the external on the polymer parts, ergonomics, and updated function like rails to cope with the times

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Selection of assault rifle is obviously crucial...of course, M16 is still good and accurate...it has 11 cm grouping at 100 meters. The same team won't perform as good with a AK-47, with average 15 cm grouping at 100 meters.

G36 can be considered as sub par rifle...its barrel is hold in place with a plastic component, which will deform due to excess heat after sustained fire, degrading accuracy significantly and permanently, until repaired.

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post Apr 9 2019, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 9 2019, 10:38 PM)
11cm at 100m wont win anything... lol
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I get it from here....page 2

https://www.krtraining.com/KRTraining/Archi...geSmallArms.pdf
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post Apr 12 2019, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 9 2019, 11:46 PM)
ohh... u r referring to standard rifles... match grade rifles are diff..
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I don't know about match grade rifle accuracy....but just saying that rifles don't have equal accuracy

QUOTE(balambgarden @ Apr 10 2019, 06:25 AM)
Yes, nowadays its just considered a minor modification
You can easily change your barrel to multiple configuration nowadays

Ak-47 was made with different purpose in mind, its just not made for accurate shooting but that does not meant its a subpar weapon nonetheless

G36 simply only had precision issue in high-intensity real combat situation where they used it on full blast like machineguns, which is not recommended
Lithuanian and the Spanish forces which uses the same rifle in the same environment had no issue with them if used correctly
You wont get that issue on competition environment even gun nuts on youtube cant re-create the issue with their guns

They could simply have just gone the british way to improve it like the sa80
which had way2 more problem but i guess it just time to switch to new guns for them

The only subpar weapons is when the weapons itself turned to its owner.. either by simply not working or exploding in your face
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Yes...you can change barrel easily...but standard SS2 barrel is heavier than SS1, especially because it's longer. Of course, AK-47 is based on different kind of use, but I'm just saying that rifles have different accuracy.

For sub-par rifle, I have a different opinion, if it's defective enough like G36 and INSAS, then it's sub-par

QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 10 2019, 09:02 AM)
soldier cant really choose what rifle they use
its not for them to make that kinda decision
deswai i said soldier shud master their weapons to their fullest potential

latest ak version can shoot as well as western rifle nowadays
g36 crumbled mostly to political pressure.. other pipul using it dun have such problem
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Of course, I'm just saying that rifle quality also matter. No matter how skilled you are, if you use a relatively inaccurate rifle like AK-47, you won't perform well....
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post Apr 12 2019, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 12 2019, 07:13 AM)
recycled news... buy something talk 100x, 10% chance of actually seeing reality... on the other hand, they have bigger budget and buy in small quantities
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Many become reality....except for Su-35, because threats of US sanction...like Egypt, also get threats from US if they buy Su-35
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post Apr 12 2019, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 12 2019, 08:02 PM)
Also contract signed for Harimau medium tank worth $130 million

Also Cobra 8x8 APC with 30mm cannon worth $80 million....it's weird, never heard such vehicle. Probably, Pandur II 8x8....is it true?
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post Apr 13 2019, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 12 2019, 11:53 PM)
Looks like its Pandur II 8x8.
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A minor contract but significant...small arms worth Rp 500 billion...assuming all of them SS-2....that's 100,000 rifles...about time Kormar and Paskhas get new rifles
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post Apr 13 2019, 09:18 AM

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So, for the FY 2019, the acquisition budget is $1.4 billion.
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post Apr 13 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 13 2019, 09:54 AM)
I think its over $1.4 billion. That was for strategic defense weaponry (alutsista) only. There is also Rp.2.1 Trillion for constuctions.
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Yeah...the big acquisition for FY 2018 was Su-35 at $1.1 billion...but become questionable right now because of US sanctions...
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post Apr 13 2019, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(balambgarden @ Apr 13 2019, 01:11 PM)
Well you've just been fooled by bad press.. G36 is a fine gun, they also have been used by the likes of your own kopassus and denjaka
I'm sure they know it's a fine piece of hardware for it's to be accepted for service in these highly regarded special forces

INSAS is unfortunately a proven sub-par rifle, no question about that
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The flaw of G36 proved indirectly fatal in battlefield. In Afghanistan, 32 German paratroopers were forced to withdraw when fighting talibans due to overheating G36.

During the retreat, three German soldiers were killed. The polymer barrel holder starts to soften even at 23 degree Celcius. After shooting two mags (60 rounds), accuracy deviation could reach 6 meters at a range of 500 meters.

When the polymer holder becomes deformed, accuracy is ruined permanently, due to misaligned barrel.

Until G36 is improved with heat-resistant barrel holder...it remains a sub-par rifle... nearly unusable in real battlefield situation...as proven with what happened in Afghanistan
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post Apr 23 2019, 07:56 AM

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Perhaps for the newly formed 3rd Marine Force?
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post Apr 23 2019, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 22 2019, 08:57 PM)
azriel Frozen_sun

Dari Hong Kong ya whistling.gif
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Not sure about this...anything about A400 is still rumor. C-130J is more certain, although not yet a certainty
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post Apr 23 2019, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Apr 22 2019, 11:17 PM)
interesting...should open a tered special for this at kopitiam  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 23 2019, 02:03 AM)
haha I am not really fan of starting a tered

since 07 I only start a handful of tered  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Apr 23 2019, 10:06 AM)
pening dorg ni. masih x mau mengaku yang dorg dapat bantuan dari negara jiran dia ni.
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QUOTE(malberi8 @ Apr 23 2019, 10:54 AM)
bantuan pesawat A400 dari Malaysia dibilang dari Hong Kong... TNI harga discount nih..
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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Apr 23 2019, 11:03 AM)
anjirrrrrrr!
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That's just a mid-level official may not be too knowledgeable....It's widely reported that TUDM sent A400M in Palu

https://kumparan.com/@kumparannews/bantu-ta...590003164002582
https://www.cnnindonesia.com/internasional/...rban-gempa-palu
http://jakarta.tribunnews.com/2018/10/09/p...bencana-di-palu
https://www.gatra.com/detail/news/351432-Ma...s-A400M-ke-Palu
http://mediaindonesia.com/galleries/detail...bantuan-ke-palu
https://www.liputan6.com/global/read/365899...sulawesi-tengah
https://news.okezone.com/read/2018/10/04/18...ana-ke-sulawesi

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post Apr 28 2019, 09:43 PM

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Russians wearing DPM smog pattern...promotional video made for indonesia

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