QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 12 2018, 08:53 AM)
I have no idea.
Military Thread V26
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Sep 12 2018, 09:29 AM
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Sep 12 2018, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 12 2018, 09:25 AM) nah its just the old javelin samcan see the number matches with the sipri export/import count dunno why such portal can do this noob mistake though (60) Javelin Portable SAM 1988-1991 |
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Sep 12 2018, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 12 2018, 09:38 AM) nah its just the old javelin sam Media often make this kind of mistakecan see the number matches with the sipri export/import count dunno why such portal can do this noob mistake though (60) Javelin Portable SAM 1988-1991 Complicated by the fact there is UK Javelin SAM and US Javelin ATGM This post has been edited by KLboy92: Sep 12 2018, 10:29 AM |
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Sep 12 2018, 11:55 AM
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Sep 12 2018, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE What’s Next for Indonesia-Turkey Defense Relations? A closer look at some of the areas both countries are exploring in their military ties. By Prashanth Parameswaran September 11, 2018 Earlier this week, a high-level representative from the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries in Turkey paid a visit to Indonesia. While the development was just the latest within the defense relationship between the two countries and few specifics were disclosed, it nonetheless shed light on the ongoing security collaboration between the two countries. As I have noted previously in these pages, defense cooperation between Indonesia and Turkey has already been ongoing, whether it be on specific equipment, such as radar systems or tanks, or more general exchanges of expertise between their militaries. But under Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo, both sides have been looking at ways to further expand that collaboration. For instance, last year, during Jokowi’s state visit to Turkey, there was a memorandum of understanding inked between Indonesian state-owned aircraft manufacturer Dirgantara Indonesia and the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) as well as a pledge to increase cooperation in areas like drone and submarine production, apart from other collaboration on terrorism and broader intelligence-sharing. Last week, defense relations was in the spotlight again with the visit to Indonesia of the vice president of defense industries at the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSB) in Turkey, Serdar Demirel. During his visit, Demirel met with several top Indonesian defense officials at the defense ministry on September 4 including Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu. In the engagements tied to his trip, the two sides discussed aspects of their defense relationship, including current areas of collaboration as well as future aspects as well. One of the areas of collaboration that got specific focus was on tanks. That was no surprise: a concrete manifestation of the defense cooperation cited by both sides has been the joint production of the KAPLAN medium-weight battle tank, which Turkish armored vehicle manufacturer FNSS and Indonesian defense company PT Pindad have been working on jointly producing since 2015. According to Indonesia’s defense ministry’s account of the meeting, Demirel said that since the medium tank program had been going well, there was hope that mass production could move forward. While he did not provide much detail, state-run outlet Andalou Agency reported FNSS General Director Nail Kurt as saying in an interview that with successful tests having been conducted over the last few months, the tank was now ready for mass production, with negotiations currently ongoing with several countries and orders for 20-25 tanks expected as early as this year. Beyond that, Demirel said that there was interest on the Turkish side in expanding cooperation with the Indonesian defense industry moving forward. While he did not offer much in the way of details, he did indicate some areas for joint development, including unmanned aerial vehicles and submarines. Those areas are in line with what both sides have been discussing. Defense industry talks between the two countries have included areas such as design and technology cooperation for type-214 submarines, joint production of medium altitude long endurance (MALE) unmanned aircraft, and other areas such as aerospace and electronics. And just last month, TAI had held a workshop designed to promote efforts with respect to UAVs. Read more: https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/whats-next-...ense-relations/ |
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Sep 12 2018, 07:19 PM
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Model of the Sprut-SDM1 with add-on armor at Army 2018 that Indonesia is interested to buy. Claimed that it can also swim even with the additional armor and equipped with climate control. Credit to RG.RU.
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Sep 12 2018, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 12 2018, 10:29 AM) Media often make this kind of mistake maybe i can count it as a pass if its your daily portal like nst/bharian/the starComplicated by the fact there is UK Javelin SAM and US Javelin ATGM but this is a niche defence portal with paywalled article so their paid user got scammed with lazy research |
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Sep 12 2018, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 12 2018, 07:55 PM) maybe i can count it as a pass if its your daily portal like nst/bharian/the star British media company some more lulz but this is a niche defence portal with paywalled article so their paid user got scammed with lazy research How big do you think their ASEAN desk is - maybe just 1 or 2 overworked bodohs to cover Msia, Singkie, Indon, Thai and Phils Anyway not like British media defence coverage is normally fantastic. Ridiculous the kind of bullshit they can spew out. "Fact-checking? what's that? here have another pint" |
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Sep 13 2018, 08:47 AM
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Nexter Jaguar EBRC 6x6. Looks huge for a recon vehicle.
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Sep 13 2018, 09:02 AM
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why ID can have a lot of nice goodies in their inventory.
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Sep 13 2018, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Sep 13 2018, 09:02 AM) Indonesia defense budget is 2x higher than Malaysia. Indonesia need to modernize its military as it still has plenty of old and outdated military assets.For example the planned procurement of Sprut-SDM1 and BT-3F for the Indonesian Marines iinm is to replace Soviet era PT-76 & BTR-50. |
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Sep 13 2018, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Sep 13 2018, 09:32 AM) EBRC is an acronym in French for Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance et de Combat (Reconnaissance and Combat Armoured Vehicle).https://www.armyrecognition.com/french_army...t_pictures.html This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 13 2018, 09:51 AM |
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Sep 13 2018, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 13 2018, 09:40 AM) EBRC is an acronym in French for Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance et de Combat (Reconnaissance and Combat Armoured Vehicle). It does seem a tad overpowered as a scout vehicle. The capability to defend oneself is useful for a scout vehicle, but this EBRC looks like it has too much firepower. https://www.armyrecognition.com/french_army...t_pictures.html |
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Sep 13 2018, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 13 2018, 10:25 AM) It does seem a tad overpowered as a scout vehicle. The capability to defend oneself is useful for a scout vehicle, but this EBRC looks like it has too much firepower. It's what the US Army would call a cavalry scout, designed to engage the enemy as well as look for them.QUOTE(isetancrazy @ Sep 13 2018, 09:32 AM) The French Army likes to use fast, hard-hitting light wheeled vehicles. With a 40mm cannon and 4 ATGMs, its job is to look for the enemy AND engage while other troops come up. |
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Sep 13 2018, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Sep 13 2018, 10:35 AM) It's what the US Army would call a cavalry scout, designed to engage the enemy as well as look for them. I prefer reconnaisance vehicles & personnel to quietly and systematically scout the frontline for battlefield intelligence, rather than going out of the wire blustering loudly all of the time looking for a fight with the enemy. You have idiot grunts aplenty for that.The French Army likes to use fast, hard-hitting light wheeled vehicles. With a 40mm cannon and 4 ATGMs, its job is to look for the enemy AND engage while other troops come up. Small ambushes and snatch operations can still be done to gain intel though, as long as stealth is not too compromised. If you're potentially outgunned (being a recon unit, which is almost all the time), simply keep observing and do nothing. If you are watching the enemy correctly, you would know if they became aware of your presence and are looking for you. In that case, just report in and drive away. Quietly, of course. I say leave the heavy fighting to someone else. |
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Sep 13 2018, 11:49 AM
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Sep 13 2018, 03:39 PM
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Indonesian Defence Ministry and PT PAL in talks for a contract for the construction of 3 new submarines. Launching of Indonesian Navy 3rd DSME Type 209 Submarine scheduled in October next month.
![]() Construction progress of the 3rd DSME Type 209 Submarine for the Indonesian Navy at PT PAL new submarine production facility QUOTE PT PAL Dikembangkan Jadi Pabrik Kapal Selam EDNA CAROLINE 13 September 2018 JAKARTA, KOMPAS — Kemampuan PT PAL akan terus dikembangkan agar bisa menjadi pabrik serta pusat pemeliharaan kapal selam di kawasan regional. Untuk itu, dibutuhkan tambahan anggaran guna meningkatkan kemampuan PT PAL. Hal ini disampaikan Kepala Badan Sarana Pertahanan Kementerian Pertahanan Agus Setiadji, Rabu (12/9/2018). Menurut dia, saat ini tengah dibahas kontrak pembangunan tiga kapal selam... ^^ Translated excerpts from the article: QUOTE PT PAL Developed Into A Submarine Factory JAKARTA, KOMPAS - PT PAL's capability will continue to be developed to become a submarine factory and maintenance center in the region. For this reason, additional budget is needed to improve PT PAL's capabilities. This was conveyed by the Head of Defense Ministry's Defense Facility Agency Agus Setiadji, Wednesday (12/09/2018). According to Agus, currently being discussed is the contract for the construction of three new submarines with PT PAL. Agus acknowledged, PT PAL's capabilities needed to be improved after cooperating with Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME). South Koea, building three submarines. The third submarine according to plan, will be launched by President Joko Widodo in October 2018. https://kompas.id/baca/polhuk/2018/09/13/pt...ik-kapal-selam/ This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 14 2018, 05:48 PM |
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Sep 13 2018, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 13 2018, 03:39 PM) Indonesian PT PAL is in discussion for a contract for the construction of 3 new submarines. It's fortunate that these submarines are based on old design. But, a diesel sub is a diesel sub. It's very quiet when running on battery. CBG subs of South Korean Navy managed to get close to US Navy carriers during exercises.![]() Construction progress of the 3rd DSME Type 209 Submarine for the Indonesian Navy at PT PAL new submarine production facility https://kompas.id/baca/polhuk/2018/09/13/pt...ik-kapal-selam/ They will also have new electronics, sensors and black shark torpedoes, so it's not bad. |
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Sep 14 2018, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(nemo 1.0 @ Sep 13 2018, 04:53 PM) you can do that in a jeep... and indeed that is what they do The exact term for this is screening.this is for when you want to go out, find the enemy, kill his scouts, keep them in sight, destroy enemy attempts to get rid of your scouts, support the main punch when it goes in - that's the cavalry doctrine P.S. there are a lot of Internet defence commenters who say things like, "if you don't put guns on a car, people won't be tempted to use them as tanks". Sorry, but it's a pretty dumb idea. Like sending out recon troops unarmed because you "don't want them tempted to get in a fight". You don't take away tools from your troops because you're afraid of what they'll do, you teach them what to do and NOT do via training and doctrine. |
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Sep 14 2018, 09:41 AM
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Looks like on August 24th last month Indonesia just conducted a Tender for MALE UAV.
Based from Anadolu Agency news the competitors are: • TAI Anka (Turkey) • Aeronautics Dominator (Israel) • Safran Patroller (France) • CASC CH-4 (PRC) No news yet which UAVs are down selected for the top 2 for the next tender phase. https://www.aa.com.tr/id/headline-hari/turk...donesia/1253776 This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 14 2018, 10:01 AM |
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