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CoolMorning
post Aug 28 2018, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Aug 28 2018, 06:37 PM)
in july,only 4 out of 28 Russian fighters jets  was able to fly. meanwhile 4 out of 18 mkm was able to fly. so in the Merdeka parade there will be mix MIG and MKM???

i though MIG was not in used and in store.anyways, congrats on our menhan on juggling issue
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Am I one of the minority here feel our air force really need reinforcement ASAP?

Really facepalm looking at the current situation.

Just issue some kind of bonds and raise adequate fund, and up our jets to 60 pieces at the very least. This kind of money Malaysia still can afford.
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post Aug 28 2018, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 28 2018, 07:12 PM)
MIG tu dah pencen so totally tolak tepi, tak tau kenapa itu orang instead letak 10 mig dalam equation lagi

if you watch carefully there is 6 sukhoi this morning
5 in formation 1 chaser

like I said the new contractor has begin continuing the currently halted jobs to continue maintain the jets
but even before this there always more the 4 MKM flying

the legendary 4 MKM is the 4 MKM fresh out of maintenance
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agree with you..that is why i garu my head when read this. i think our menhan really tired now and make mistake. he need to take vacation ASAP to energize.

we will see what happen in merdeka parade. who know menhan new spell help MIG to be reborn or its just only MKM(pretty sure only MKM).


QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 07:14 PM)
Am I one of the minority here feel our air force really need reinforcement ASAP?

Really facepalm looking at the current situation.

Just issue some kind of bonds and raise adequate fund, and up our jets to 60 pieces at the very least. This kind of money Malaysia still can afford.
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the planning is to have MRCA by now to support the RMAF but the plan got delay and no other alternative being made so they stuck like this. all need to be blame from PM,old menhan,new menhan and dont forget politician for not hearing our ATM cries.

the problem now we already said we have no money, we gave middle finger to china(no money to further project and want more fair trade deal) and we said we got 1 trillion ringgit debt. if we suddenly cough up money and bought jets it will be a tornado of shit although we need it. anyways it nod about money but also the will. having the will to buy and operate the jets also a consideration in procurement.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 28 2018, 04:06 PM)
confirm atleast 5 Sukhois.... this morning already saw 6 of them flying in V formation from saujana putra direction heading to putrajaya....
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QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 07:14 PM)
Am I one of the minority here feel our air force really need reinforcement ASAP?

Really facepalm looking at the current situation.

Just issue some kind of bonds and raise adequate fund, and up our jets to 60 pieces at the very least. This kind of money Malaysia still can afford.
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how u want to gerenti the bond? and with what? after 1mbd junk bonds..u think fund managers still keen?
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post Aug 28 2018, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Aug 28 2018, 07:45 PM)
how u want to gerenti the bond? and with what? after 1mbd junk bonds..u think fund managers still keen?
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Government backed bonds always laku one. The tax payers are the guarantors.

It's a matter of putting the country interest first (by spending this kind of money) or someone else interest by spending this huge money on pet projects.

Don't always think there is forever peace time or depending on lil bro Singapore (FPDA) in time of crisis. They also want something more than these billions of ringgit in return even they agree to help.

If you are familiar with these Singkies, they are eyeing JB for a long time.
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post Aug 28 2018, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 28 2018, 07:12 PM)
MIG tu dah pencen so totally tolak tepi, tak tau kenapa itu orang instead letak 10 mig dalam equation lagi

if you watch carefully there is 6 sukhoi this morning
5 in formation 1 chaser

like I said the new contractor has begin continuing the currently halted jobs to continue maintain the jets
but even before this there always more the 4 MKM flying

the legendary 4 MKM is the 4 MKM fresh out of maintenance
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Contrary to Mat Sabu claim it was actually all along six units MKM and not four that are still operational and have not reached the 10 years mandatory service based from RMAF official statement responding to Mat Sabu claim.

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post Aug 28 2018, 09:50 PM

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How frequently we are sending jets for interception mission?

Without MiG, then all we have is SU-30 for interception mission, right?

These 6 sukhoi jets going to have hard life and die faster biggrin.gif .
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 28 2018, 07:12 PM)
MIG tu dah pencen so totally tolak tepi, tak tau kenapa itu orang instead letak 10 mig dalam equation lagi


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Because we are not openly honest with our announcements of such things

QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 07:14 PM)


Just issue some kind of bonds and raise adequate fund, and up our jets to 60 pieces at the very least. This kind of money Malaysia still can afford.
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Based on our economy, we can only operate about 36 fast jets and not the best and latest models either

But if talking about special funding for this, well, there are many many also critically urgent infrastructure in other areas that Msia needs to spend on. Fast jets are very low on the priority list.

QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 09:50 PM)
How frequently we are sending jets for interception mission?

Without MiG, then all we have is SU-30 for interception mission, right?

These 6 sukhoi jets going to have hard life and die faster biggrin.gif .
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Very good point that most people miss
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post Aug 28 2018, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 28 2018, 10:11 PM)

But if talking about special funding for this, well, there are many many also critically urgent infrastructure in other areas that Msia needs to spend on. Fast jets are very low on the priority list.

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Like I said before, this kind of money we have to spend.

Guard our house first before talking about the interior things like kitchen, bedroom, reading room. At least have minimal credible defense. 18 sukhois are just like for ceremonial/friendly interception purpose and not for defense/hot battle purpose. How many rounds can these 18 sukhois and 8 F/A-18 fight?

Learn from ancient Malaysia history, we might lose territories in exchange for protection, if thing gone wrong.

It's unimaginable for the economy as of Malaysia size cannot squeeze some billions for its territorial safety and integrity.

It's a terrible failure if current brand new clean government cannot make this right during their first term.

Not sure whether this is open secret or not, we budgeted and spent wrongly since decades ago. I know some teachers who said they were allocated more budget than necessary and end up must use all the budget for unplanned things like attending paid courses or famous lawatan sambil belajar.
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QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 10:49 PM)
Like I said before, this kind of money we have to spend.

Guard our house first before talking about the interior things like kitchen, bedroom, reading room. At least have minimal credible defense. 18 sukhois are just like for ceremonial/friendly interception purpose and not for defense/hot battle purpose. How many rounds can these 18 sukhois and 8 F/A-18 fight?

Learn from ancient Malaysia history, we might lose territories in exchange for protection, if thing gone wrong.

It's unimaginable for the economy as of Malaysia size cannot squeeze some billions for its territorial safety and integrity.

It's a terrible failure if current brand new clean government cannot make this right during their first term.


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The current govt is working under a lot of constraints.

Msia really doesn't have that kind of GDP. 26 fighter jets is not far from our maximum economically sustainable capacity, which I estimate to be about 36 jets.

You are right that we can lose territory if we ignore our military. But in the modern world, it's just as likely for us to lose territory by ignoring our economy.
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Su-57 and MiG-35 Land Russian Orders During Army 2018
by Vladimir Karnozov
August 27, 2018, 10:33 AM

During the Army 2018 military-technical forum held August 21-26 at Kubinka, west of Moscow, the Russian defense ministry signed a total of 32 contracts with 20 Russian manufacturers. The value of the orders exceeded 130 billion roubles (nearly $2 billion) and calls for the delivery of 600 pieces of equipment and the modernization of 1,500 more.

The signing took place on August 22, followed by a press briefing by deputy defense minister Alexei Krivoruchko, who commented, “Fulfilment of these contracts will see the Russian armed forces taking the most modern weapons, with a focus on precision strike systems and munitions for them.”

He did not release any figures except one. With previous agreements taken into account, the Russian defense ministry shall receive 15 Sukhoi Su-57 fifth-generation fighters. “We find this airplane as state-of-the-art," Krivoruchko said. "We shall receive 15 such aircraft new from the factory, with the first one due next year. This aircraft is a design success as it surpasses all of its foreign analogues, has undergone all sorts of trials, and gained some combat experience.” The initial production batch will be followed by shipments of more aircraft in improved versions that are now in development. In particular, the customer expects an upgraded variant, now undergoing flights trials, to become available in quantities from 2023.

Also speaking at the briefing, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) president Yuri Slyusar said that judging by their price-performance ratios, the Su-57 and MiG-35 represent the best solution in their classes, respectively. He described the contracts signed on August 22 as those for quantity production of both types. The Su-57 will provide the base for an aircraft family, as the Su-27 did, he added. “The Su-57 is a basic platform that will develop, undergo modernization, and re-engining. In the process, we will install more and more advanced systems, so as to expand the combat capabilities and functionality of the baseline aircraft. This shall shape the future of our aviation for many years ahead.”

Touching on the Su-57, the manufacturer stressed the employment of artificial intelligence, wide use of composite materials, and the ability to strike heavily defended targets, including control centers handling aviation operations. “Technology-wise, launching the Su-57 into production shall help us make a leap forward, as we will be mastering new technologies pertaining to the next-generation aircraft,” said Slyusar.

The UAC president further said that by adding contracts for Su-57 and MiG-35 quantity production to those already awarded for the 4++ generation fighters such as the Su-30SM, Su-34, and Su-35, the Russian defense ministry has increased the workload for national industry. Moreover, the initial domestic orders for the two latest aircraft types could influence foreign clients. “Both aircraft types have some export potential,” said Slyusar.

Although there is no official announcement on figures for the long-awaited MiG-35 order, industry sources claimed the initial contract is only for six aircraft. The MiG-35 will be produced at RAC MiG factory in Lukhovitsy, Moscow Region. It has been reported that this first batch may be delivered to the "Strizhi" (Swifts) aerobatic team, which is based at Kubinka and currently flies MiG-29s.

Selected foreign guests were shown production specimens of both the Su-57 and MiG-35 in the hangars at Kubinka. A pair of Su-57 development prototypes flew from another airfield for a 10-minute flight performance over the base on the opening day of the event. Neither type was on show during the two trade and three public days that followed. Army 2018 included a daily flight program involving up to 20 aircraft, including the six Chengdu J-10 fighters of the PLAAF’s "August 1st" aerobatic team, with 30 more aircraft on static display.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/def...ring-army-2018#
atreyuangel comments on the Mig-35 please?

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 28 2018, 08:52 PM)
Contrary to Mat Sabu claim it was actually all along six units MKM and not four that are still operational and have not reached the 10 years mandatory service based from RMAF official statement responding to Mat Sabu claim.

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Have you read that thoroughly?
12 unit on 10 years maintenance while 6 are waiting for queue
but what he failed to tell that the 4 unit are just come out of service

QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 09:50 PM)
How frequently we are sending jets for interception mission?

Without MiG, then all we have is SU-30 for interception mission, right?

These 6 sukhoi jets going to have hard life and die faster biggrin.gif .
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Only if needed, there is 2 plane on standby for interception in every Air base

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 28 2018, 10:11 PM)
Because we are not openly honest with our announcements of such things
Based on our economy, we can only operate about 36 fast jets and not the best and latest models either

But if talking about special funding for this, well, there are many many also critically urgent infrastructure in other areas that Msia needs to spend on. Fast jets are very low on the priority list.
Very good point that most people miss
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What you mean honest annoucement the PTU has said the MIG retired since 2 years ago?
so if mat sabu said it become honest and the PTU or Hisham automatically lie?
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 29 2018, 12:08 AM)
Only if needed, there is 2 plane on standby for interception in every Air base

Ready 30? Less?

To me feels like that is enough for Msia. Or is even that too taxing on aircraft life and costs?

Just curious sorry.

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What you mean honest annoucement the PTU has said the MIG retired since 2 years ago?
so if mat sabu said it become honest and the PTU or Hisham automatically lie?
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2 years ago the PTU said it will be gradually taken out of service

And admitted that they have been slowly grounding the jets since 2013

All the while talking about upgrading

Only confirming all Migs were out of service last year IINM

It's confusing even for defence news follower like us, never mind average public
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 29 2018, 12:26 AM)
Ready 30? Less?

To me feels like that is enough for Msia. Or is even that too taxing on aircraft life and costs?

Just curious sorry.
2 years ago the PTU said it will be gradually taken out of service

And admitted that they have been slowly grounding the jets since 2013

All the while talking about upgrading

Only confirming all Migs were out of service last year IINM

It's confusing even for defence news follower like us, never mind average public
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wtf you meant with ready 30?
pala butoh kau ni pening aku

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post Aug 29 2018, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Aug 28 2018, 10:49 PM)
Like I said before, this kind of money we have to spend.

Guard our house first before talking about the interior things like kitchen, bedroom, reading room. At least have minimal credible defense. 18 sukhois are just like for ceremonial/friendly interception purpose and not for defense/hot battle purpose. How many rounds can these 18 sukhois and 8 F/A-18 fight?

Learn from ancient Malaysia history, we might lose territories in exchange for protection, if thing gone wrong.

It's unimaginable for the economy as of Malaysia size cannot squeeze some billions for its territorial safety and integrity.

It's a terrible failure if current brand new clean government cannot make this right during their first term.

Not sure whether this is open secret or not, we budgeted and spent wrongly since decades ago. I know some teachers who said they were allocated more budget than necessary and end up must use all the budget for unplanned things like attending paid courses or famous lawatan sambil belajar.
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i think the term is priority. we never priority defense in our govt. no politician or even minister ever campaign we need an strong and more dependent armed forces. so far all those politician or minister just said things in ceramah and see if there is an attracted voter or supporter which none of citizen even care.

the priority is always making sure the citizen will vote for them and citizen want good education, healthcare,facilities and affordable life. that is all. defense is at 7th or maybe way below that in our list of priorities.

on the contrary,some of our retired serviceman tried to persuade politician or minister to the problem in the ATM and some persuaded politician in sabah and sarawak now see that the politician need to play role in parliament to get necessary protection of sabah and sarawak rather than hoping the govt know what they want.

as long as there is no WILL to do something,there will be nothing.



QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 29 2018, 12:26 AM)

2 years ago the PTU said it will be gradually taken out of service

And admitted that they have been slowly grounding the jets since 2013

All the while talking about upgrading

Only confirming all Migs were out of service last year IINM

It's confusing even for defence news follower like us, never mind average public
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actually the term is phased out which being used by RMAF usualy. it being used not only in MIG but also Pilatus PC-7 Mk and Alouette III helicopter. go here
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/selamat-jalan-fulcrums/
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/moving-on-with-the-times/

actually as far as i can see, the RMAF tried to keep the option open since they also know money/budget was tight and may not be enough so they keep the upgrading MIG as an last ditch option. but between the decision made and now things just keep shown we better choose other than MIG. even LIFT have been thrown int equation now although not a suitable replacement to MIG but it is affordable and have good trck record.

i think it is ok if we the military enthusiast or normal citizen does not know the current story of our MIG(although i am sure most of military enthusiast know about it) but if our menhan does not know,it reflect poorly to the ministry and those involve. especially menhan which can access all the report and summon the person in charge/CO to meet to discuss rather than blurt out things as they want.


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 29 2018, 12:32 AM)
wtf you meant with ready 30?
pala butoh kau ni pening aku
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dude...you ok bro??kinda lough out loud i the middle of night reading your comment biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Aug 29 2018, 12:55 AM)
dude...you ok bro??kinda lough out loud i the middle of night reading your comment    biggrin.gif
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ok ja, pening baca komen tiba2 datang 30 pulak?

btw in putrajaya going to be a sweet air show by tudm during Merdeka Parade
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 29 2018, 01:02 AM)
ok ja, pening baca komen tiba2 datang 30 pulak?

btw in putrajaya going to be a sweet air show by tudm during Merdeka Parade
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with Dr M, propaganda is a must. now he have most of the card,he need to show it. plus with the recent shitnado event with MKM on RMAF, they need to show they are worth(although there already are with that kind of budget) and things is good.

BTW you know anything good on the next defense budget???things kinda senyap now. with slow economy in future really want to know the next is.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Aug 29 2018, 12:32 AM)
wtf you meant with ready 30?
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Surely you know this? Or does TUDM use other terminology?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_Five

Or

Condition Four CAP - Launch capability required within 30 minutes. Pilots in readyrooms; crews relaxing near stations.



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