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KLthinker91
post Apr 12 2019, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 12 2019, 01:00 AM)
To date NGV Tech/Destini has delivered though the problem with Samudera Class due to the issue with the UN with their sales agent dealing with Iran.

Other then that they have been doing well Destini and Destini Prima
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rclxms.gif Yeah good for them. I quite like the MMEA ships.

was referring more to PSC brows.gif

what do you know about Amin Shah btw?
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post Apr 12 2019, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(arinpresto @ Apr 12 2019, 02:25 AM)
Those endons got infinity pocket ka? Deep indeed.

Every month got new toys.😅
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They have a massive economy actually

GDP of US$ 1 trillion compared to our US$ 0.3 trillion

Then since their salaries are comparatively low, their personnel costs are low as well, leaving more allowance for Capex and Opex

Indo defence budget was about US$ 8 billion compared to our US$ 3.75 billion, yet they spent 1/3rd less than us, 0.8% of GDP compared to our 1.25% of GDP

Indonesia has big potential to be an Asian tiger, if they ever get their act together

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post Apr 12 2019, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 12 2019, 12:23 PM)
apa nak tau pasal mamat tu?
tu tgh duduk bersenang lenang kat Dubai nun
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curious to know about his career, cause I just noticed that his companies built a lot of properties around KL
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post Apr 13 2019, 03:22 AM

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Excellent short article about JASDF air policing activities

Didn't know China and Russia enter Japanese EEZ up to 4 times a day every day!

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commen...-force-11424940
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post Apr 15 2019, 04:09 PM

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Sigh. To be expected.

QUOTE(Raddus @ Apr 15 2019, 04:04 PM)
upgrade or no more missile because of phase out
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don't think there's any Aspide upgrades

The missiles should have expired. I will guess that the Aspide launcher can’t be as easily removed.
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post Apr 15 2019, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 15 2019, 04:13 PM)
Not sure at this stage if the missiles are are being replaced or not because the Otomat missiles certainly are still produced nowadays by MDBA. Upgrade seems unlikely though due to the tight defence budget nowadays.

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Highly unlikely

Anyway we are moving on to Gowinds and NSM

IINM the Otomats we resold to Italy were used for developing the latest Otomat/Teseo model, which is deployed on the Italian FREMM ships

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post Apr 15 2019, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 15 2019, 05:33 PM)
I highly doubt MDBA is using 20-year old 2nd hand Otomat missiles to develop the latest missiles for their latest frigate. laugh.gif
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Dunno. Read it somewhere, I'll try to find it back. Was surprised myself.
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post Apr 17 2019, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 17 2019, 09:36 AM)
Sorry btw is this you? From SNAFU blog comment section. Quite the same comment. smile.gif
https://www.snafu-solomon.com/?m=1
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No

Sounds like some other ktard though brows.gif possibly Raddus brows.gif
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post Apr 18 2019, 04:04 PM

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LMS was supposed to have hydrographic module
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post Apr 18 2019, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 18 2019, 04:22 PM)
I'm not sure if hydrographic sonar mapping equipment can be packed inside something as small as an ISO container and still work. For one, where does the Sonar transmitter and receiver (which is supposed to be on the underside of the hull, usually set in blisters or domes) go?

IMO hydrographic survey ships are pretty specialized vessels with specialized gear and I doubt all the equipment needed for the job can be limited to fit an ISO container.  laugh.gif
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I think the idea is to use USV, for example: https://navaltoday.com/2019/02/07/royal-nav...onomous-vessel/

Don't ask me, ask RMN - it is their 15 to 5 idea

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post Apr 19 2019, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 18 2019, 05:40 PM)

supposed to be towed scanner
the ship can fit 3 iso container

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Possibly there will be 1 ISO container with operator console inside ( the one behind the stack)

Then the deck ISO containers can fit the USV/towed scanner
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post Apr 19 2019, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 19 2019, 07:50 AM)
IMO, an OPV's capability can be significantly increased by making sure it has the right kind of vehicle onboard. Put on an ASW helicopter, now the OPV's an ASW platform, put on a helicopter capable of launching AShM, now the OPV's a surface warfare combatant. Put on a UUV or submersible, hey now the OPV's a minehunter.

Before people come telling that those doesn't count, remember that without aircrafts, a carrier is just a ship with a runway on top. laugh.gif
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The ASW helicopters and mine hunting equipment costs more than the OPV itself

Missiles also can be equally expensive as the OPV
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post Apr 21 2019, 06:07 PM

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USS Fitzgerald repaired

Cost: USD 327 million

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post Apr 23 2019, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 22 2019, 04:44 PM)
The cost includes a SLEP refit.

sos
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Yes

But still quite costly. Apparently the ship was practically rebuilt due to structural damage.
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post Apr 25 2019, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 24 2019, 09:44 AM)

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Possible answers to your many questions:

1) why are the rest these missiles are just kept lying in storage?

Because missiles kept in storage last longer than missiles on a boat out at sea, even if they are kept in their canisters.

2) why do they insist on keeping the two ancient 35-year old Kasturi-class corvettes fully armed with Exocets instead of the more numerous, modern and capable Kedah-class?

Possibly because the Kedahs lack the operator console and minor modifications/systems needed to operate the Exocets, and there's no operational reason to have another pair of Exocet-capable boats at this time

3) What tactical advantage can get gained from this policy?

Possibly there is only a need to train 4 ships crews for antiship combat operations on the Lekius and Kasturis, whereas adding Exocets to 2 Kedahs would mean having to train additional 2 ships crews for antiship combat ops. There is no current operational need for that.

Also this would take away 2 ships and their crews from carrying out their usual patrol duties in order to conduct training. Again, where is the operational need for that*?


*yes, it can be argued that there are certain needs justifying more combat ships. But this simply shows that to add let's say 2 frigates for combat ops requires a significant investment not just in equipment, but also in war stocks, recruitment and training. Yes the hardware is expensive but so is the human resource component, we focus a lot on the former but should also bear in mind the latter.

so although it would be nice to have another 2 frigates, 4, even 6 or more; bear in mind the costs can be very significant.
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post Apr 25 2019, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 25 2019, 01:08 PM)

All that is needed is the missiles' physical and electronical installation and they would be ready to use within 24 hours.
Supposedly

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/endrant
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No money or political willpower
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post Apr 27 2019, 01:03 AM

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River-class Batch 1 OPV HMS Clyde

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and

River-class Batch 2 OPV HMS Forth

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Apr 25 2019, 10:22 PM)
Thats why.... its like putting army permanently in NBOS. As we know army is a force that operate in large numbers. Deploying them in NBOS give them problem to conduct exercise at large scale (brigade, division) effectively. My friends told me about this.... so the same will happen in navy. Yes we know, we always conduct patrol to assist enforcement agencies as our secondary duty. But not to establish like this kind of task force....by doing this we will be tied up. There will a primary agency to coordinate, so command & control will also be a problem.
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^ excellent points

Question: do TDM have division-scale manoeuvre exercises?

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post Apr 28 2019, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 27 2019, 11:40 AM)
Baru ni Tuan eks Rimau- Gunung dapat la penglibatan penuh 9 Melayu
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announcement dia buat macam 150+ orang saja
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post May 7 2019, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ May 7 2019, 11:25 AM)
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awwww nice

my copy much lower res than this

thanks biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ May 7 2019, 12:56 PM)

suicide truck? not unlock yet?
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wait for DLC

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post May 10 2019, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(James831 @ May 9 2019, 03:57 PM)
Malaysia version of technical.

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Cheaper than AV4 rolleyes.gif

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