https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4185126

The above thread already created by another member but it was parked under Kopitiam section which i thought should be put here instead since here is more specific about tyres.

If any member kena the Camber Screw Scam from any tyre shop, please be bold and share it here as a service to the rest.

I for one, will report on this:

Wxng Hxng in Bukit Kemuning

They did that to me 3 years ago. Their tyre price was good, but asked me the same thing saying my camber screws need to be changed somemore must be in one pair end up paying extra rm95 (per piece or in pair i forgot). Only after that I surfed the net and found that many shops had cheated many other customers before using the same trick.

Tegap Automobile Engineering Sdn. Bhd. (continental signage)
Jalan Kuchai Maju 14

went to change 2 front tyres, he swapped my old ones to the rear charged me RM10 or 20, told me chamber nut/screw slanted. charged me RM150 for a pair. tyre price was standard. got chopped last year.

another time went in to change engine oil and filter, didnt screw one of my extractor bolt back in. exhaust leaked in small amount in the engine bay.

If the mechanic says that you need to change camber screw, just reject them.. thats what i always tell them.. if they give you any bullshit excuse, just tell them no thanks

the easiest way to reject suggestion is to say "no money..."

equip yourself with some knowledge first.sometimes they try to chop but sometimes it's true that your camber already lari, which in latter case if u reject, then u will destroy your inner or outer side of your brand new tyres in a blink. mind that tyre shop can only be sure if they check for alignment. if buta-buta change tyre then ask for camber screw change, then most probably trying to scam u

if its so bad, you can already see uneven wear/tear on your old tyres

Same shop also charged alignment fee even when purchasing 4 tyres.
They tried to pull the camber screw scam, I told him since already paying for alignment, make the necessary toe in toe out and make it straight. Coz some black shop will purposely make the alignment lari one.

thats normal for shops in klang/shah alam to charge alignment fees.not all shop have the same policy.most the shop i went also charged alignment separetely.i changed my tyres in O.S autocare bukit kemuning previosly.long ago also changed my friends tyre in klh in jalan ipoh in kl.they are charged separately.so no big issue.their tyres are cheap already.thinking rationally,if everything free,what they get for profit?haha..understand some shop provide free alignment but the tyre price expensive.if calculate back the alignment which cost rm 15-20,the price is still cheaper in all way.

im noob when it comes to car. Everyone in this forum shared their experiences, so that i can learn what to do and dont. Lucky i never met dishonest workshop.

well you can tell the shop to go screw themselves.

I always say car still under warranty. later I go SC claim new chamber. usually they got blurred and say ok only. huhu

I change camber once. 1 side only. Because the mechanic say the other side ok. Then do the alignment 2 times. test car total 1 hour (I am in the car too) until the alignment ok back abit.

I know my problem is lower arm causing the car go to the left when cruising. Camber also got lari abit. So its ok to change sometime, provided you know about car la.

You'll likely need to get a castor correction kit to fully get the car centered. Most cars now have a slight sideway bias geometry to counter the very mild bulging on the road centre (for water to run off to the sides). But this kind of default setting only work if drive on the other side of the road.....

Semua tayar saya makan dalam dan tepi..tapi dalam lagi byk makan.tengah2 ok.saya mmg isi angin kurang 10psi daripada recomended sbb nak bagi selese sikit. Tayar dah pkai 50000km. Pergi 2 kedai, semua kate camber depan belakang susah kangkang..quote 25-30 each side depan dan 65-70 each side belakang.

Klau bawa 160 bru ade gegar sikit.
Perlu ke saye adjust camber.sye mmg duduk kawasan felda, jalan lubang2 dan x rata.

Saya bukan pakar kereta, tapi kalau tayar boleh pakai 50000km itu sudah bagus. Di mana kawasan bro? Yang penting bagi saya ialah cari satu kedai yang kau tahu jujur, dan buatlah apa-apa repair yang perlu. Tanyalah penduduk-penduduk kawasan bro, pasti boleh cari kedai yg ok.

angin kurang 10psi tak ada masalah usually.imo if can adjust straight the tyre can last more longer.btw what car is that for rear adjustment need 65-70?usually if can adjust also 20 only.

Yup. Its expensive to deal with it. Need to eliminate the problem 1 by 1) My mechanic told me that also.
I don't know what to do anymore lol. I got this car from my sis and she got pusing once in karak highway. I think that's the major cause...…

What car was that?

sekarang pkai tyr advan fleva v701 205 45 17 di ford fiesta mk7 1.6l. selepas pkai 50000km pun masih belum sampai tyre marker, 1-2 mm lagi nk sampai, tapi bunga belah dalam dah hampir habis.duduk felda neram 2 kemaman. kedai banyak di area kuantan tp kebanyakannya akan suggest adjust camber. alignment kat kuantan biase kedai akan bagi free bila beli 4 biji tayar setiap kali buat rotation 10k. sebelum ni,kedai memang suggest camber waktu buat rotation 10k tp memang saya xbuat sebab mahal. tapi risau jugak la sebab klau memang betul2 perlu buat adjustment camber. klau ade reading, criteria untuk buat camber baru senang sikit nak buat keputusan. klau ade member2 sini boleh share bagus juga. tq

owh 10 psi tiada masalah ya. ok. sye pon xpasti kenapa tayar saya tak haus rata. nway, macam mana adjust straight tyre?? toe in or toe out ke?? my car ford fiesta mk7 1.6l. orang kedai kata suspension belakang kene pkai special tool and suspension jenis alas. saya pon x sure tapi saya x buat, saya lari kate xde duit, nk rotation dan alignment free saje.haha. nway, tq.

The car manufacturer had it a fix one. If it is meant to be adjustable, then car manufacturers will make it adjustable like other adjustment screws.

One thing obvious. If you look at the bolt and nut, it is just normal and common one; but looking at the price the shop is selling you, you straight away know that it is a scam.

it did serve a purpose.if u notice cars nowadays like subaru xv they come with adjustable kit already.and most car like proton which have rear alignment do have adjustable kit as well in the rear wheels.only the front is fixed.actually not expensive also that thing.the screw for proton only rm 15.scam also cant kaya.just my opinion lol.haha

kena before in subang jaya. cant remember the name of the shop. was asked for 100 for a pair. i straight away say "really ah? then nvm la i no money now next month i come here and change"

straight away ban that shop...

i kena one more funny

i brought my proton persona to do swapping of tyres front n back n also do balancing n alignment, they told me, my steering rack patah, need to change new RM2k and also the chamber nut. he said only proton persona have this problem, other models dont have. i rejected that of course.

3 weeks later i brought my mei mei myvi to do the same swapping of tyres and balancing n alignment. then they told me , steering rack patah, n also chamber nut. he said only myvi have this problem, other models dont have.

WT BULLS!IT is this.

u still came to that shop eventho they tried to cheat u?

when we pay price for alignment, why do tyre shop ask for extra charge when they adjust the chamber? it just a simple job when adjusting it..

its different.alignment is to adjust the toe measured by mm while the camber is measured by degree and it have to be adjusted at the abosrbers area.

if that is the case all car go in also steering rack patah.but how can be steering patah if think logically not so easy patah la.unless encounter with major collision.

Thank you for sharing

u see from this video, it explains in detail of the steering rack, if the steering rack patah, HOW R U GOING TO TURN UR WHEEL!!.
n that steering rack is inside so many housings, u need to open up everything to see if it is really patah or not, visual checking on the outer side cannot see anything

steering patah is bullshit

vios 08

huh...so teruk until pusing at highway....this one really scratch head.

May need to bring to some suspension specialist like ALK to (maybe) reconfigure the bushings and rod.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/ALK-Automobile-...r=page_internal

I changed four tyres at Tegap Automobile, the tyres are Dunlop J5 175/65-14 which cost RM145 each with free alignment and balancing. The foremen tried to scam me too, he ask me add on chamber adjuster which cost RM 90 for a pair.

Last time she kena scammed by the tyre shop people. Really black hearted. Left back wheel got punctured, they don't want to repair, say cannot repair, must change new one. (scammed 1), ok, change new tyre but gibe smaller size (scammed 2), I not so clear about how small is the size, as that time I still young. I just remember my parent rushed to bentong police station, left me alone at home.

On the way back, my sis using karak highway, near bentong toll there got people put oil. She wasn't drive that fast that time, but the irregular size of tyre, at the back start fish tail. End up pusing 3 rounds. Bang road divider. Whole bumper drop. Air bag no deployed, lucky she drive slow.

Those tyre shop people really.... and those pour oil people also..... very very black hearted.

After pusing, 1 group of people with tow car came. you say la.

Maybe is that accident make the car chasis lari.

This post has been edited by [Ancient]-XinG-: Aug 3 2018, 11:41 AM

What i can say is that the tyre shop was indeed unethical, but they can't fit "smaller" tyres, likely they fit slimmer width tyres. Yes, it will affect the traction of the car somewhat, but won't cause it to fish tail that badly.

The main culprit was the slick road due to oil spill. Even cars with ESC can't work when there are no tyre traction.

the profile totally off as I remember clearly. They just simply slam a same rim inch tyres

driving slow should be alright, since a lot of car did pass by that place.....

This post has been edited by [Ancient]-XinG-: Aug 3 2018, 06:06 PM

1 more, near Cheras Leisure mall. Adjustable Camber nut Rm150 for 1 pair, they said tyre will get eaten 1 side if dont change
Kena con few years back

Is it because camber screw memang forever no need change?

depend on situation.if your tyre wear uneven or easily pull one side it can solve the issue.my forte used to always pull 1 side after alignment done at many place and also in service centre.the problem can be solved by adjusting the cam degree.and also solved my left hand side tyre always wear outside.

So in your case, just changing the cam degree enough, and no need to replace?

first time u have to replace the adjustable one first.if your existing one is adjustable then dont have to replace.
for some case, certain absorbers come with the adjustable offset.or even some use the adjustable arm.so they can use that to adjust

Noted, i now understand it better. For adjustables, how much is reasonable price for them to do the adjustment?

When I went to one shop in Taman Sri Andalas Klang to change one tyre, the Boss said that all the chamber of the hyundai matrix need to be adjusted ... but they only knock2 a little bit .. then finish liao .. each side around RM 20-30 .. forgot d. Excluded alignment and balancing .. that separate price

I kena scam one?

depends. ur thread pattern last time how? botak sebelah? did they use any tool to set the degree of the chamber?

chamber adjustment mmg not that much to do. just loosen the nut and turn the bolt.

This post has been edited by kurangak: Dec 23 2019, 02:43 PM

Only 1 side of tyre botak sebelah. another 3 is okay

They are using the same tool for alignment.



I see ... so normal to charge 20-30 per tyre .. in my case, they are in the midst of changing both of front tyres and after that they told me to adjust the chamber

RM 20~30 for chamber adjustment + alignment = 50 per tyre

that... is quite steep indeed... i tot rm30 for all 4 tyre...

mind if i ask what car ure driving?

Hyundai matrix .. so kena scammed liao?

idk. im not sure about the price myself, coz ive never done chamber adjustment before.

quick search says rm30/tyre is the average fee for chamber adjustment in malaysia.

I see ... then its normal. My complaint is only they knock something behind the tyre for few minutes/seconds, look at the alignment machine and its complete.

Thank you for the feedback.

Got 1 workshop doing aligment and very famous at Inanam Kota Kinabalu. I done my car 1 time and can last for 4 years till i sold my car.

The mechanic will ask you how many year usage of your car and last aligment done.

If car used 1 year above, he must change the chamber nut to get most accurate aligment. Of couse it will more expensive abit but you will safe time, tyre and safety.

This post has been edited by taiko8148: Dec 24 2019, 08:31 PM

sounds like a scam.


this is how most camber bolt n nut looks like



this is how u adjust camber on most vehicle. u loosen the nut, turn the bolt until u get the desired camber degree u want, and tighten the nut again while holding the bolt in the same position.

unless the camber nut is fully rusted out, i dont see the need of changing the camber bolt n nut.

Not really a scam, my myvi camber nut quality crap and you will notice it bend abit.

The mechanic will not change if insist by car owner but he will ask other mechanic to do the work.

You want quality aligment, then let the sifu handle the job.

Well, camber screw pricing is definitely a scam. I got a customer who machine these for his clients. Its dirt cheap.

As for the screw themselves, well, you cant say it is a total scam. It is about how much does it bothers you. I think many people already seen video about cars' mass manufacturing and how manufacturers have been cutting corners to increase production speed. You can kinda see how all 4 of your tyres are wearing differently one from another. I think manufacturers learned all about this from their endless test drive all these years and considered them acceptable.

Exactly sound like my 2 of office mate case on kemuning Tyre shop also

Victim 1: Spent rm720 hankook set plus this scam on axia
Victim 2: Spent rm890 hankook set plus this scam on Myvi

End up same price with other shop despite cheap tyre price

Friend baru do camber acrew and alignment for her old NHC City.

2 tyres - Rm 210 each = Rm 420 (Hankook)
2 camber screws = Rm RM 120
alignment = Rm 40

Total Rm 580.
She do at Top Speed Car Care, Taipan Usj.

I told her.. I baru do my alignment at Bdr baru Klang, Rm 20 nia. CMCO price okay.
Foreman just adjust camber screw and that's it. No changing screws.

I also told her why not you try this tyre shop behind Usj19 Mall / Rytheme Avenue.

Kian Hoe Tyre & Battery Services Sdn Bhd
No. 1, Jalan USJ 19/4, Taman Perindustrian Uep, 47630 Subang Jaya, Selangor
03-8024 7308
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cmjA8KMoJuhVgxmK6

which shop boss?

Klang/Kota Kemuning shop famous for these little money sucking tricks.

What I do is change tyre and go SC for alignment & balancing. At least they won't pull stunts in front of you. Secondly, you know SC do a proper job here.

This post has been edited by Icehart: Aug 6 2020, 12:13 PM

This shop know how to use adjustable chamber screw very well.. others shop just add side income..
https://www.facebook.com/HusaienTraction/

This shop doesn't need adjustable chamber screw, factory chamber screw will do for them..
https://ah-man-tyre-centre-ml-sdn-bhd.business.site/

Just changed 2 pair tyre. When do the alignment the tyreman said meed to adjust chamber bcoz 'lari' about 30° as shown below. Do i need to adjust chamber?


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Check your old tyre tread. If out, it will be wear out one side.

What's your car model ?
Does the computer screen shows up your actual car model , or just without any car models ?

+1
I sometimes wonder why wheel alignment jobs are promoted heavily (by vested interest groups) despite used tyre wear is NOT uneven from from one side to the other .

Proton Persona'09 fully stocked from factory.
The computer show up 'proton persona'07 (customized)'.

I saw that the tires wear out on the outside.
But I just rotated the tires few months back.
Not sure if it wear before or after I rotated.

According to computer (if the data is from OEM, IDK) , the toe-in seems ok . However the camber is out of range .
By stocked, do you mean to say no alignment adjustment was ever done before till todate ?
Theoretically , the out of range camber angle in your car is supposed to result in uneven wear across the tread width from one side to the other . Is this the case with your as-is used tyres , and do you have pictures to share ?
Btw, are you an aggressive driver in hard cornering , quick pick up etc ?

Have you change anything on the Absorber or Absorber Mounting?

I lesson learn on after change this 2 part and not redo alignment, after a year only notice tyre wear our uneven especially on the outer side. End up have to add Camber on 1 side.

Luckily when change tyre recently, the alignment not really out.

How regular is your tyre rotation on this car , every 10,000 - 20,000 km ?
Otherwise I wonder why the bold above , if you have regular tyre rotation .

Theoretically , the inside of your front tyres should wear out faster with your old alignment , not outside .

Do you see the inside of tyre wear more than centre of tyre , since you said outside wear is obvious to you ?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 27 2020, 03:15 PM

they show me the same shit. they charged me extra rm28. idk if i get conned

Yep, worn or new absorber /absorber mounting could alter the camber/toe-in numbers . But the numbers may still be within OEM range specs or it could also be out of spec as well , IDK .

Not sure by 'adding' camber on 1 side means shifting camber angle towards positive or negative , can anyone help elaborate or explain ?

However , adjusting camber angle of one side only I suspect it is due to the presence of a difference in camber angles readings between the 2 sides .

Having said this, on moments before adjustment, both different camber angles could still be within range , we don't know without like the computer screen shot by akatsukea above .

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 27 2020, 03:30 PM

yeah, my friend also charged around that price, I think more reasonable. but got show us the screws

Basing on computer shot above by akatsukea , and if the specs given are valid then there should be uneven wear on the the tyres .
If the outside wear is more than the inside and centre of tyre thread , I would ignore alignment job .
However if the inside wear is more than the centre of tyre thread pattern , then I would surely do wheel alignment in akatsukea's case , never mind I am not a fan of wheel alignment .

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 27 2020, 03:26 PM

I would say is after replace this 2 parts, cause the alignment out. Not sure is workmanship problem or ...
During that time, i did not take down the out degree. When see tyre wear out on side panic already, the shop advice to add, then just follow.

I got the feeling actually should be able to adjust back, is just they want earn extra.

Now I try go different tyre shop, i ask them change back my original nut, most of them say if no out, no need to touch or change. So using it few years until now.

I mean i dont mind the rm28.i get their package and chg 4 michelin tyres at rm740 including alignment but they tell me chamber is different adjustment from alignment and i have to extra pay rm28 on 1 tyre. i just want to know if im getting conned. haha

Hi, from the day after adjusting camber on one side to the day you recently change the tyre set you found alignment is not out .

May I know whether you do regular tyre rotation in between ? If so 10,000 km or ?

How many years or km during this interval ? 3 years ?

Hi Zeng, no. I'm not the person always do alignment as the price not cheap (well, for me only). I did not rotate the tyre as well.

My last install that camber until now is 3 years already, about 30K km.

Toe-in can be adjusted without extra cost in parts .

Since you paid extra and it has something to do with "nut" ,in the absence of wheel alignment screen shot here , I would speculate that computer camber reading is out of specifications which implies adjustment of camber angle is required .

However camber adjustment is not possible in your car design (what car model is this ?). Hence extra cost in camber nut parts replacement .

In other words, this tyre centre workshop has not conned you but did the job right , IMHO .

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 28 2020, 12:56 PM

Me too is no fan of wheel alignment , neither do I practise tyre rotation .

From your experience here , total absence of periodic alignment and tyre rotation is all right for up to 3 years .

Thanks for the elaboration/clarifications .

I can't remember the degree, just know that the staff ask the boss advice, from their face reaction, seems like is an option to adjust. if not mistaken should be 1+ only. That's why from there on, anything also i take the photo for reference.

The nut itself not expensive, about RM20, plus the alignment RM35. That shop also weird RM15 for front wheel only.

I'm driving Persona 2011, same like your model.

Welcome, bro.

If not hit any big pothole, should be fine.

New car until change 1st set of tyre 3 years, no alignment all well.
2nd set is in between change that 2 parts, that's why make the tyre uneven wear.
After align back, now is another 3 years. My recent alignment is less than 1 degree, the foreman also say less than 1 degree can be ignore. I should save this RM20

Anyway just treat as pay for worry free. At least like you say i know about 3 years or more no alignment still not really out.
Btw, my last set of tyre last me 6 years!

Alignment rm40 is super expensive. Rm20 should be normal, some shop charge rm15 only.

Tell your friend next time if she wants to go workshop, better ask you go along with her

Funy thing happen when I went to my brother to change wheels & tires at tire shop nearby econsave kajang. He just bought the Saga and milage not even 100km. At the tire shop the pomen said chamber need to change. I argue that this is a brand new car. He than said U know la sometimes Proton not properly assemble the car thats why the chamber need to be replace. Damn. I banned the shop after that.

A tyre shop in Teluk Intan, near Hospital. Farker knows how to kelentong damn well. What he said was that in whole of Malaysia only a few people can get camber nut/camber screw thing done right and he is one of them.

It costs 70 ringgit some more. Haven't told him I deal with cars and bikes a lot also. But he sell tyres really cheap la. RM 148/pc (not inclusive GST) of tyre, Conti CC6. back in 2016 or 2017. I was asking around in Klang Valley for the same tyre, selling price was around 160-180 per piece.

Shop name: Texas Tire something.

This post has been edited by patienceGNR: Dec 22 2020, 02:10 PM