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post May 20 2007, 11:36 PM, updated 19y ago

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currently i am looking into HELP shares will be listed on 22nd may this month.

will be a good dividen


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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 20 2007, 11:36 PM)
currently i am looking into HELP shares will be listed on 22nd may this month.

will be a good dividen
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Wow, you are fast. Anyway, thanks for being TS.

Back to what I have just posted in the previous thread for further discussion:

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Wow, I have to say that I have learned a lot here from fellow forumers who contributed non-stop thumbup.gif ... maybe not technical stuffs but more on general stock market practices

QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 20 2007, 09:32 PM)
WHO WANTTO LOST IN SHARE MARKET PLEASE DO SO

AS THIS IS JUST A LIGHT WARNING TO PEOPLE WHO SPECULATE the MARKET WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE.

i just got some little news that a lot of big player now slowly is throwing thier stoks because the market soon unbale to sustain. market china will soon effect the entire world.

now this is a time BOM!

Which i expected about roughly 3 month time to 5months.....this is what i predict only.


Added on May 20, 2007, 9:39 pm
dun touch any invesment now...well u will get burn into ash
when the economic affacted manything will follow..
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Your statements are a bit scary but it's quite true. The market, not only in China but the whole world doesn't seem right to me... how many records have been broken world wide recently over and over again? Countless? I may not have hard evidence to prove this but my guts tell me so. <-- I'm a noob in economy cry.gif

Anyone wanna add more? Provide more realistic theories/comments so that I can learn more.
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post May 21 2007, 07:19 AM

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I think it's better to TS reserved 1 to 2 thread? One is for tips and good stock that can be updated anytime.. and another one anything that we think it's good for the investor to know in the future?

P/s: Just an opinion ..
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lol a very simple start for v2 laugh.gif

thread is being pinned.
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post May 21 2007, 09:26 AM

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guys, whats the fair value for maybulk?

just wanna know if its worth buying it now

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QUOTE(john123x @ May 21 2007, 09:26 AM)
guys, whats the fair value for maybulk?

just wanna know if its worth buying it now
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You should read The Star Biz today. Analysts are positive about this stock. They have price forecasts too.



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bookmark...........

Watch out for SSEX bubble.

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Market is down slightly about 8 points at this juncture. I am quite happy with my Ranhill coz it is doing quite well now. Donno about tomorrow though. I think this stock has got potential to go up further coz it has not move forward since the market run-up. It has joint venture with overseas partners on oil& gas plus housing and construction. I forgot the PE and other details but it definitely has a good future. So probably it's not dat expensive now. Do read up before you enter!
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QUOTE(john123x @ May 21 2007, 09:26 AM)
guys, whats the fair value for maybulk?

just wanna know if its worth buying it now
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i was been told that this counter can potentially hit RM10 (i doubt that) in very near future..

i hv confident in this counter since 2.80

and its dividend (0.30) n bonus issue (25%)..hv keep my faith attached..

if can reach 5 buck (may (5) bulk) i am happy liao brows.gif
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QUOTE(john123x @ May 21 2007, 09:26 AM)
guys, whats the fair value for maybulk?

just wanna know if its worth buying it now
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 21 2007, 09:35 AM)
You should read The Star Biz today.  Analysts are positive about this stock.  They have price forecasts too.
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i read the MAYBULK report sent by ts1
the analyst says that it can go up to 6.00

and wow ts1, 10.00 is A LOT!!!

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 21 2007, 10:34 AM)
i read the MAYBULK report sent by ts1
the analyst says that it can go up to 6.00

and wow ts1, 10.00 is A LOT!!!
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tats y i said 5 buck shld be nice lor... tongue.gif
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market is in red today (-10.26)
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 21 2007, 09:35 AM)
You should read The Star Biz today.  Analysts are positive about this stock.  They have price forecasts too.
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if they dun do it this way, where they be invester like us to invest?
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it is quite healthy to drop a bit...

equine also drops 1.82..hope that guy sold aldy hehe
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well tomorrow is a launch of HELP starting price at RM0.80. heard from HELP people they are already starting to purcahse at RM1.30. this is just a news. so be prepare.
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 21 2007, 10:52 AM)
it is quite healthy to drop a bit...

equine also drops 1.82..hope that guy sold aldy hehe
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he sold his EQUINE, losting a few bucks only.
lucky him! sweat.gif


QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 21 2007, 10:53 AM)
well tomorrow is a launch of HELP starting price at RM0.80. heard from HELP people they are already starting to purcahse at RM1.30. this is just a news. so be prepare.
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so how many lots r u going to sapu?
u look well prepared! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 21 2007, 11:06 AM)
he sold his EQUINE, losting a few bucks only.
lucky him!  sweat.gif

i think for this share is a bit shaky...but it seem like a small colletion for big buyer.

so how many lots r u going to sapu?
u look well prepared! laugh.gif
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total i have 2 for myself 3 for my mom. but not enough cash flow to buy so many lots...so just share around the information with you guys...


Added on May 21, 2007, 11:14 amGuys what you all think of P.Metel?

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 21 2007, 11:06 AM)
he sold his EQUINE, losting a few bucks only.
lucky him!  sweat.gif
so how many lots r u going to sapu?
u look well prepared! laugh.gif
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yeah lucky me! i loss rm22...from rm8K+ at its peak. LOL. rclxms.gif buy price = 1.85, sell 1.87...ok la..cant ask for better ...

now to look at another stock to goreng brows.gif

maybulk u say..hmm...today ex-date for 1:4 wor. summore red.

CHARRGEEE!!! thumbup.gif


Added on May 21, 2007, 11:29 ami think we should all combine power....and have our own fund management.

everyone goreng 1 stock then sell. like big syndicate laugh.gif

LYN STOCK SYNDICATE... im liking that already... rclxms.gif

shhh...dun let security commission know... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 21 2007, 10:50 AM)
if they dun do it this way, where they be invester like us to invest?
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comp must hv fundamental to say so..its supported by financial data n projection based on company past performance not purely bullshit...

those 2nd board shit dun think analyst will write like angel tongue.gif
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where is our edifgrto?

seriously he sold all his shares and is out from the market edy?

run before the bubbles burst?
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 21 2007, 10:25 AM)
i was been told that this counter can potentially hit RM10 (i doubt that) in very near future..

i hv confident in this counter since 2.80

and its  dividend (0.30) n bonus issue (25%)..hv keep my faith attached..

if can reach 5 buck (may (5) bulk) i am happy liao  brows.gif
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can send me the report as well?
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equine...feralee how how ?
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QUOTE(vvv @ May 21 2007, 01:09 PM)
can send me the report as well?
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Panasonic pls sent report to this guy tongue.gif
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as expected, China goes up even they raised their rates..
whole Asia market go up, only Malaysia goes down so much..
so funny...

btw, tkwfriend, can u put the version 1 link at the 1st post?
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 21 2007, 01:46 PM)
Panasonic pls sent report to this guy  tongue.gif
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why not you? tongue.gif

what is your email address, vvv?
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There's a site suggested by a fellow forumer here which summarizes all research reports and stockpick... it's http://bursastockpick.blogspot.com/

Refer it at your own risk, I don't hold any responsible on any of your decisions made after reading the site tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 21 2007, 02:23 PM)
There's a site suggested by a fellow forumer here which summarizes all research reports and stockpick... it's http://bursastockpick.blogspot.com/

Refer it at your own risk, I don't hold any responsible on any of your decisions made after reading the site tongue.gif
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I think the better way to choose a stock is after receiving a stock suggestion, go directly to the companies' profile to check out the forensic details. I suggest go to Bursa Malaysia
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 21 2007, 02:37 PM)
I think the better way to choose a stock is after receiving a stock suggestion,  go directly to the companies' profile to check out the forensic details. I suggest go to Bursa Malaysia
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Agree. But there's always a starting point for stock suggestion. And for noobies like me, I don't know how to digest those "forensic details". I'm not saying that I simply buy according to those picks. Normally I will observe the stock's performance (in different time frames) and also ask around (eg. in here) before making decision to buy icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 21 2007, 02:52 PM)
Agree. But there's always a starting point for stock suggestion. And for noobies like me, I don't know how to digest those "forensic details". I'm not saying that I simply buy according to those picks. Normally I will observe the stock's performance (in different time frames) and also ask around (eg. in here) before making decision to buy icon_rolleyes.gif
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that's really good rclxms.gif you also can get past companies' news research at The Edge and The Star Business by typing the stock name , then search
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Today, market is a bit surprisingly down more than -9points considered that all overseas bourses are up although not much.
Again volume is thin shows that lack of interest in this market currently.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 21 2007, 02:58 PM)
Today, market is a bit surprisingly down more than -9points considered that all overseas bourses are up although not much.
Again volume is thin shows that lack of interest in this market currently.
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Malaysia is always playing catch up game. So I guess this is it.



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Yea. There were quite many time Malaysia is trying to play tricks. swt.
Heard HELP will increase rapidly but when is it going to be listed, tomorrow morning?

I think will get into it. Is tomorrow morning the earliest to buy?


And i saw the earlier post, what do u guys say about RM1.30 for it? It really worth that much or is it going o start at the starting of rm1.30?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 21 2007, 12:34 PM)
where is our edifgrto?

seriously he sold all his shares and is out from the market edy?

run before the bubbles burst?

wave.gif here, reporting in. biggrin.gif

arrr,... ain't that I said before, please sell all your shares recently?! I sold most of my shares already. Still got some lah(but not significant at all, ^^v),... you thought that me joking with you? blink.gif
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Today's market is boring... zzz...
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QUOTE(NicholasTan @ May 21 2007, 03:34 PM)
Yea. There were quite many time Malaysia is trying to play tricks. swt.
Heard HELP will increase rapidly but when is it going to be listed, tomorrow morning?

I think will get into it. Is tomorrow morning the earliest to buy?
And i saw the earlier post, what do u guys say about RM1.30 for it? It really worth that much or is it going o start at the starting of rm1.30?
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I am no expert in shares but I have paid tuition fees for it. Nobody can really predict the starting price. These days the opening price for IPOs are not as fantastic as before, so just be careful...... hmm.gif (if you got the share at offer price, its great, you are almost a sure winner)
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another good day for maybulk smile.gif
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 21 2007, 04:00 PM)
Today's market is boring... zzz...

Good time to buy indeed. brows.gif
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actually nearly the whole world is increasing leh... doh.gif

scandal I blame got too many scandals recently! mad.gif vmad.gif

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buy ?? buy what shares ??
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I am a noobie too. Just started. Wanna learn from this forum.
From my opinion(noobie) Equine and Help will be good ones. Pls reply if there are any pro's
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QUOTE(NicholasTan @ May 21 2007, 04:38 PM)
I am a noobie too. Just started. Wanna learn from this forum.
From my opinion(noobie) Equine and Help will be good ones. Pls reply if there are any pro's
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EQUINE, imo is a goreng type share.

Dun touch it if you are opt for long term investment.

Try flip back the V1 thread and understand its momentum in the past 2 weeks.

OT : and somehow, why ppl like to calling themseleve as a "noob"??
is it some kind of backup, eg, if you said something wrong and kena flame or bombard, then you could still expecting people to excuse yourself because you-are-a-noob? blink.gif

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equine...feralee how how ?
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Equine Capital (1147.KU) may fall up to 4% as 4Q net profit down 74% on-year to MYR1.1 million, taking FY net profit to MYR3.6 million (vs MYR17.1 million previous year). Company didn't give reason for fall in earnings but they "are due to lower sales," says property analyst. Equine adds earning prospects for FY08 continue to be anchored by locked-in sales of MYR293.6 million, mainly generated by ongoing Pusat Bandar Putra Permai, Cheras and Batu Kawan projects; "the stock is likely to fall in reaction to the lower earnings but the decline may be buffered by hopes of better earnings ahead from existing projects," dealer says. Stock +0.5% at MYR1.88 yesterday; support at MYR1.81 (May 9 gap-up).(ECH
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QUOTE(NicholasTan @ May 21 2007, 04:38 PM)
I am a noobie too. Just started. Wanna learn from this forum.
From my opinion(noobie) Equine and Help will be good ones. Pls reply if there are any pro's
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don't worry, everybody is learning, maybe that's why this forum is here.
If you want to buy Help after the opening bell and the price has shot up the first few minutes, be cool and see how it goes. If it has gone up too much, wait till it retreats some, otherwise you might buy at a high price and get stuck. Look at recent IPOs like Zhulian and Ogawa, they went up quite high initially, but see where are they now.
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buy when force selling time la...11+
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buy ?? buy what shares ??

Buy the ones that in your list. You got yours, I got mine too.
Because the ones in your list, that's the one that you most familiar with... Wining chances also higher mah... thumbup.gif

My watch list got OGAWA, PROTON, MEGAN, HOVID, EDEN, GENTING.... etc etc... wink.gif

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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 21 2007, 05:01 PM)
don't worry, everybody is learning, maybe that's why this forum is here.
If you want to buy Help after the opening bell and the price has shot up the first few minutes, be cool and see how it goes. If it has gone up too much, wait till it retreats some, otherwise you might buy at a high price and get stuck. Look at recent IPOs like Zhulian and Ogawa, they went up quite high initially, but see where are they now.
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Very true.

If market is green tomorrow, it will push HELP up even more indirectly.
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 21 2007, 04:04 PM)
I am no expert in shares but I have paid tuition fees for it. Nobody can really  predict the starting price. These days the opening price for IPOs are not as fantastic as before, so just be careful...... hmm.gif (if you got the share at offer price, its great, you are almost a sure winner)
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actualy, it needs 2 person to control the starting price, but whether the price is sustainable is totally out of question.

one guy to place a sell bid, and another guy to place a buy bid before the market started..... u can set unreasonable price too, and the price will become IPO starting price. thou no one is stupid enough to do so.....

btw, in other news, another new stock in my portfolio for ultra long term, MISC .
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US up, China up, Japan up, Hong Kong up, Taiwan up, Korea up, Singapore up, Indonesia up, Philipine up, Vietnam up..

Only Malaysia down..

Malaysia Boleh! hehe..
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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 21 2007, 07:47 PM)
US up, China up, Japan up, Hong Kong up, Taiwan up, Korea up, Singapore up, Indonesia up, Philipine up, Vietnam up..

Only Malaysia down..

Malaysia Boleh! hehe..

I afraid that got people behind the scene. Normally they would attack the country one by one... If tomorrow, another country down, then others just up. Some crocodiles are coming. sweat.gif
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Bursa eyes global investors with new Shariah-compliant index

KUALA LUMPUR: Bursa Malaysia's latest Shariah-compliant index is expected to tap investments from the large global Islamic equity funds worth more than US$5bil, said its Information Services head Chuah Kong Khai.

The FTSE Bursa Malaysia Hijrah Shariah Index was expected to attract global investors and could be used for Shariah-compliant investment products such as the Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs), he said.

"There is a growing appetite worldwide for Islamic financial products.

"The international Islamic financial market grows at 12% to 15% per year, reflecting vast investment opportunities," he told reporters after the launch of the index Monday.

He said the index, which was the eighth Shariah-compliant index launched to date, requires 30 stocks to be traded at any one time.

Chua also said that a half yearly review was conducted to monitor both the market interest and index performance.

URL: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...46&sec=business
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QUOTE(edifgrto @ May 21 2007, 05:14 PM)
Buy the ones that in your list. You got yours, I got mine too.
Because the ones in your list, that's the one that you most familiar with... Wining chances also higher mah...  thumbup.gif

My watch list got OGAWA, PROTON, MEGAN, HOVID, EDEN, GENTING.... etc etc...  wink.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ May 21 2007, 08:14 PM)
My colleagues are so interested with UNISEM (5005). Today closing price is 1.56 after losing 0.12

Me dun know about UNISEM... but

Try to get its 3 months highest and lowest.
Try to get its 3 years highest and lowest.
Its volume in 3 months.
Its dividend paid out history...

1.56... dropped 12 cents... it's quite dynamic. sweat.gif

... checking
1.56 already its 3 months lowest already.
under TECHNOLOGY,... SEMICONDUCTOR stuffs...
is its main income from export?! Then you might need to know other countries needs on semiconductor. USA's economic is not so promising. China need raw materials the most. It no need those conductors stuffs, but itself exporting so much. India ... and other countries. In long run, it dun promised you much... Now it dropping, and it might keep dropping. There is no highest or lowest price, indeed.

Yeah, I know it's contradiction at the front and back for what I said. However, mate surely understand what me trying to tell...

Good Luck to your friend. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(edifgrto @ May 21 2007, 08:38 PM)
Me dun know about UNISEM... but

Try to get its 3 months highest and lowest.
Try to get its 3 years highest and lowest.
Its volume in 3 months.
Its dividend paid out history...

1.56... dropped 12 cents... it's quite dynamic.  sweat.gif

... checking
1.56 already its 3 months lowest already.
under TECHNOLOGY,... SEMICONDUCTOR stuffs...
is its main income from export?! Then you might need to know other countries needs on semiconductor. USA's economic is not so promising. China need raw materials the most. It no need those conductors stuffs, but itself exporting so much. India ... and other countries. In long run, it dun promised you much... Now it dropping, and it might keep dropping. There is no highest or lowest price, indeed.

Yeah, I know it's contradiction at the front and back for what I said. However, mate surely understand what me trying to tell...

Good Luck to your friend.  thumbup.gif
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semiconductor industry doesnt perform well in this bull market..
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Help i am expecting about RM3 in future. because they have a ot of business coming in soon. they are currently planing to expend as far as oversea as well govement they give orportunity to HELP
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Help i am expecting about RM3 in future. because they have a ot of business coming in soon. they are currently planing to expend as far as oversea as well govement they give orportunity to HELP
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the previous ones that were listed: inti and stamford doing badly now
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Usually companies going for IPO will say their future planning fantastic to lure investors. I was in the education industry before. I know how it works. Better be cautious about your investment.
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thx for your advise

how about ebwork now at around 0.70...i not sure yet how much it can go...but many people playing...i know this share when is around 0.40
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wow.. taken from the star:
" On Friday, after markets closed, the Chinese central bank raised interest rates for the fourth time in a year and also ordered banks to set aside more reserves, reducing the amount of money available for lending. The rate on a commercial one-year loan rose 0.18 percent to 6.57 percent"

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...009&sec=apworld

i wan to fix d in china!! 6.57% thats alot!!!  drool.gif

i wonder wats the highest interest rate around the world...
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for deposit rate is 3.06%, also lower than Malaysia's 3.7%
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thx for your advise

how about ebwork now at around 0.70...i not sure yet how much it can go...but many people playing...i know this share when is around 0.40
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OT : and somehow, why ppl like to calling themseleve as a "noob"??
is it some kind of backup, eg, if you said something wrong and kena flame or bombard, then you could still expecting people to excuse yourself because you-are-a-noob?  blink.gif
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To be frank to you all, I AM A NOOB ! ! ! I only start "looking at" Stock Market 2~3 months ago and I never do any in-depth study/research on it cos currently I'm very busy with my study/work cry.gif

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Buy the ones that in your list. You got yours, I got mine too.
Because the ones in your list, that's the one that you most familiar with... Wining chances also higher mah...  thumbup.gif

My watch list got OGAWA, PROTON, MEGAN, HOVID, EDEN, GENTING.... etc etc...  wink.gif

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You are digging my bleeding wound cry.gif I bought 2 biji PERISAI at 0.950 cry.gif

Not that I worry it won't go up. I just afraid others factors like China's bubble, economy crisis cycle. dry.gif


Added on May 22, 2007, 8:31 amDOW dropped 13.65 (0.10%) yesterday.

DOW has been doing very well with consistent increases with low drops periodically.

Go go go KLSE flex.gif

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other countries down, malaysia also down

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HELP - 0.98 (+0.180)

predicting it to go up 30%
which is around 1.17
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our stock market all controlled by external forces....cannot expect when it will go up or down

i feel all the shares kena goreng so that syndicates can take profit before the big fall...
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 22 2007, 09:21 AM)
at 9.16am

HELP - 0.98 (+0.180)

predicting it to go up 30%
which is around 1.17
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are u planning to hold longer?

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how much you buy HELP?
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heard GE on aug 4
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Help i am expecting about RM3 in future. because they have a ot of business coming in soon. they are currently planing to expend as far as oversea as well govement they give orportunity to HELP
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any listed education provider in msia? how far they can go?

business going concern is heavily rely on licenses n connections..how strg HELP is?


since i studied at HELP last time, hv to support a bit later laugh.gif
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usually stock market does well before the GE and could linger after elections are over, of course , if only the present goverment wins.
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present gov will win....their stronghold are those rural areas while oppossition are those urban areas...
u tell me majority of voters stay where
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 22 2007, 10:05 AM)
any listed education provider in msia? how far they can go?

business going concern is heavily rely on licenses n connections..how strg HELP is?
since i studied at HELP last time, hv to support a bit later  laugh.gif
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financially supporting yah? whistling.gif

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any listed education provider in msia? how far they can go?

business going concern is heavily rely on licenses n connections..how strg HELP is?
since i studied at HELP last time, hv to support a bit later  laugh.gif
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Here it is:

QUOTE(KingRichard @ May 21 2007, 10:17 PM)
the previous ones that were listed: inti and stamford doing badly now
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are u planning to hold longer?
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I'm quote it to 1.58 .. (buying price - 1.55), now 1.57 ... after 1 month still no change .. then, hope that today it will reach the expected price . sweat.gif . No profit until now .. cry.gif

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he bought it at IPO price.. 80 cents offering tongue.gif
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wahh so nice!

i bet investor with IPO price would start to sell when it reach 1.30 or so hmm.gif
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financially supporting yah?  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 22 2007, 10:07 AM)
Here it is:
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Added on May 22, 2007, 10:12 amdigital i heard u wanna sell maybulk after bonus issue

i still holding it until 5-6

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wahh so nice!

i bet investor with IPO price would start to sell when it reach 1.30 or so  hmm.gif
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my idiot friend sold at 98 cents. he got 20 lots doh.gif
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my idiot friend sold at 98 cents. he got 20 lots  doh.gif
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my idiot friend sold at 98 cents. he got 20 lots  doh.gif
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Still got many profit .. 98-80 = 18x20 = 360 = 3600

At least he can smile happily today .. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 22 2007, 10:07 AM)
I'm quote it to 1.58 .. (buying price - 1.55), now 1.57 ... after 1 month still no change .. then, hope that today it will reach the expected price .  sweat.gif . No profit until now  ..  cry.gif
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good luck, looks promising nod.gif


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:20 am
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wahh so nice!

i bet investor with IPO price would start to sell when it reach 1.30 or so  hmm.gif
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well at least there's some profit, at least $120 /lot

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@tkwfriend

on behalf of yourself & for your mum
how much you buy HELP?
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all at RM0.80...hehe just waiting for right time...will only sell one unit only...the rest keep....sunway,inti and some other college are in debt...

so far HELP yet to reach RM1 yet...as i can see here time and quanity trade and price here...


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:27 amanyone want to ask for price?

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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 22 2007, 10:26 AM)
all at RM0.80...hehe just waiting for right time...will only sell one unit only...the rest keep....sunway,inti and some other college are in debt...


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:27 amanyone want to ask for price?
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SO LUCKY rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 22 2007, 10:26 AM)
all at RM0.80...hehe just waiting for right time...will only sell one unit only...the rest keep....sunway,inti and some other college are in debt...

so far HELP yet to reach RM1 yet...as i can see here time and quanity trade and price here...


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:27 amanyone want to ask for price?
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ah you got 2 while your mum owns 3
how did u get to buy at IPO price?
was it offered by HELP institute for all HELP students?
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hey tomorrow if digi go down who dare to buy?? brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

then after the follwing day sell...can make around RM0.1 to RM0.3


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:32 am
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ah you got 2 while your mum owns 3
how did u get to buy at IPO price?
was it offered by HELP institute for all HELP students?
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very simple...go to maybank atm machine then key in apply ipo from there...hehe
they will cahrge you RM1 per transaction....

i am going to apply deleum this evening before 5pm


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:33 amP.metel who dare to buy and keep for month.....any idea...just a new from top managment from friend they will will goreng up by rm1 more at least....so any feedback?

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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 22 2007, 10:26 AM)
all at RM0.80...hehe just waiting for right time...will only sell one unit only...the rest keep....sunway,inti and some other college are in debt...

so far HELP yet to reach RM1 yet...as i can see here time and quanity trade and price here...


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:27 amanyone want to ask for price?
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help shot up to $1 at 9.15am but only about 100 lots.
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RM1 was not done...the highest was RM0.995 at 9.15am which done 4144 lot.

i using my dad real time system to check
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 22 2007, 10:30 AM)
hey tomorrow if digi go down who dare to buy??  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

then after the follwing day sell...can make around RM0.1 to RM0.3


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:32 am
very simple...go to maybank atm machine then key in apply ipo from there...hehe
they will cahrge you RM1 per transaction....

i am going to apply deleum this evening before 5pm


Added on May 22, 2007, 10:33 amP.metel who dare to buy and keep for month.....any idea...just a new from top managment from friend they will will goreng up by rm1 more at least....so any feedback?
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Is it P metal or P metel?


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RM1 was not done...the highest was RM0.995 at 9.15am which done 4144 lot.

i using my dad real time system to check
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oh... that's strange, my system shows 3933 for 0.995 and 1001 for 1.00, maybe have to check my system that it has not gone haywire hmm.gif

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milux is at it's lowest price today for the last 3 months hmm.gif
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milux is at it's lowest price today for the last 3 months hmm.gif
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i wanted to. i actually made the call but current price 1.18 and buy at 1.23. my broker say abit too high the price to buy although current price is good
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i wanted to. i actually made the call but current price 1.18 and buy at 1.23. my broker say abit too high the price to buy although current price is good
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it's traded very little but looking at it's last 1 month price, to me it was an interesting to share..but dont hold me liable for what happens to the share tongue.gif
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it's traded very little but looking at it's last 1 month price, to me it was an interesting to share..but dont hold me liable for what happens to the share tongue.gif
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hey ppl.. whats the next best thing thats coming out?
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one new IPO today. But the business doesn't entice me. Its involved in plantation.

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now now look at milux tongue.gif
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now now look at milux tongue.gif
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now now look at milux tongue.gif
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I see. but only 1 lot traded at 1.42. So, I guess this share is interesting but hv to buy on dips coz volatility very high.
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i got a feeling u guys were manipulating milux price
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din u know? all the talk were actually secret communication techniques by our own "LYN STOCK SYNDICATE"

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ok ok... now i do magic again.. scomal brows.gif


Added on May 22, 2007, 12:25 pmHELP's coming down. hopefully by day end it drops below .88... pray pray tongue.gif

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ok ok... now i do magic again.. scomal brows.gif


Added on May 22, 2007, 12:25 pmHELP's coming down. hopefully by day end it drops below .88... pray pray tongue.gif
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yah, HELP might drop till 0.90

~Battousai~, you are getting HELP ?
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if the price is nice and tempting enough yes. coz i know that they can launch 2 good news anytime they want to just increase the share price tongue.gif
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so help is the in thing now?
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so help is the in thing now?
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"in" thing? blink.gif

today is the first listing day for HELP.
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haha now Help in on the news...
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And I'm so greeeeeeeedy .. bought 2 lot even in 0.935 ... risky .. risky sweat.gif

P/s: When a beginner play the stock and just get Rm 6 profit for his first attempt .. this is what happened, it's me anyway ... tongue.gif
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so twk.. u got delium already ?


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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 22 2007, 02:54 PM)
And I'm so greeeeeeeedy .. bought 2 lot even in 0.935 ... risky .. risky  sweat.gif

P/s: When a beginner play the stock and just get Rm 6 profit for his first attempt .. this is what happened, it's me anyway ... tongue.gif
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u mean u sold ur UEM or just havent sold but current price earning u rm6 ??

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u mean u sold ur UEM or just havent sold but current price earning u rm6 ??
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Sold my UEM for 1.58 , so just gained Rm (30x2)60 - (56)cost = Rm 6 left .. sweat.gif .. and it keep increases after it .. cry.gif

First attempt and only got Rm 6 after 1 month .. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 22 2007, 02:58 PM)
Sold my UEM for 1.58 , so just gained Rm (30x2)60 - (56)cost = Rm 6 left ..  sweat.gif .. and it keep increases after it ..  cry.gif

First attempt and only got Rm 6 after 1 month ..  doh.gif
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that's a gud start , nex time, tahan abit when it starts 2 move. But do not tahan too long, might have side effects
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feralee may be right. equine is charging !!! flex.gif
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It was count as a good start? Huhuhu .. But anyway, thanks for the compliment .

P/s: I'll remember in my whole life .. Rm 6 only profit for the 1 month first attempt blush.gif .. can't forget it ... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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dont worry at least u got money now to buy other stocks tongue.gif


SYF Resources at all time low..but again buy price sleep.gif
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Although today market manages to rebound to before yesterday level, still volume is not convincing enough to show the bull is back.
Until 3.30pm only more than 600mil, not enough to wake up the bull, needs at least more than 1 billion above based on technical aspect with market holds on its current gain. If faded at the end then technically not so good.

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ah..... let go my Ranhill at 1.64, bought 1.32, hold for 5 months, worth the hold! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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anybody here bought nextnat too ??
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Now want to focus on MIDF, have 10 cents dividend and many important companies holding its shares. Someday, 1 company might take it private which was the hoo-hah 1 month ago. Its quiet now, so might be the right time to add-on to 10 biji cool2.gif
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feralee may be right. equine is charging !!! flex.gif
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bah...still hovering around my selling price.

if charge to rm2 then only start to regret.. kekekek

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yea i know. but feralee did say end of the month. still got few days to go tongue.gif
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finally disposed 8k maybulk shares @ 3.60 today. left 2k shares now.
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finally disposed 8k maybulk shares @ 3.60 today. left 2k shares now.
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i tght said wanna cash out immediate after bonus...u sell at highest points tongue.gif

me still holding it brows.gif
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 22 2007, 05:04 PM)
i tght  said wanna cash out immediate after bonus...u sell at highest points  tongue.gif

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after bonus already mah. the 2k shares is bonus lor. only payout on thurs.
yeah. i was lucky. Q the whole day.

Saya takut Cina buih bocor....

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after bonus already mah. the 2k shares is bonus lor. only payout on thurs.
yeah. i was lucky. Q the whole day.
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Accumulating cash & wait for the next market correction. Jeng Jeng Jeng.

Cash is KING!

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Accumulating cash & wait for the next market correction. Jeng Jeng Jeng.

Cash is KING!
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mkt realli no stamina..most retail players r actualli shy away frm mkt sweat.gif

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yeah like me...

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What is HELP stock name. Cant find it on bursa malaysia webpage
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7236
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HELP lor
Stock number 7236

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finally disposed 8k maybulk shares @ 3.60 today. left 2k shares now.
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you sold it at 3.60?
that's a bit low sweat.gif
i'd wan to sell mine atleast 4.0 and above
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hibernating...... i have stop chasing the market liao. But i still monitoring the thread.

SSEX is worrying me. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

Since I am posting I would like to share something with you all.

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Are you a successful stock investor, property investor, option trader, future trader or even a successful blogger? Everyone would like to be addressed as a successful person, though the definition of successful is very subjective. Whichever category you belong to, chances are you've money, more like paper money (regardless of gain or loss) especially in stocks. Successful people will normally have extra cash investing stocks, right? Well, as long as you've not sell off your equity postions it's still paper gain (or loss) but there're still values in it.

So what have you done with your stocks portfolio for the last, say 1 year? Still holding it? Great, but please be sensitive to the global economy's pulse especially China. I'm not saying it'll crash but it sure is very hot - too hot as a mater of fact that you should consider doing what most investors are reluctant to do. Sell your stocks, at least sell a certain portion of it. Consider the following factors:

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      No one understands and knows China's internal economy better than China Government itself. China's economiy has been booming for decades without sign of cooling off, and this worry China very much. China is not afraid if Taiwan declares independence tomorrow, not even give it a damn if U.S. sent supercarrier USS Nimitz ready to bomb China tomorrow but it's surely scares of a sudden economic collapse simply because it can happen anytime soon. So it was not surprise when China raised interest rate yesterday, the first time the central bank has taken such a strong measure to contain the booming economy. The one-year benchmark lending interest rate was raised 0.18 percentage point to 6.57 percent. This is hoped to be able to cool down the economy and the stocks price rise.
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      Top banking executive such as from HSBC is warning about bubble burst especially in China's stocks market. HSBC executive director warned of "serious" impact on the Hong Kong stock market if the Chinese market bubble burst - a signal obviously targeted at Hong Kong stock investors or speculators. When a top banking officer issue such warning, you better listen because every average Joe knows that the last thing a bank will do is to stop people from borrowing to invest. If the financial institution knows something is not right and need to protect its' risk and exposure, it will issue such warning.
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      Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-shing warned about the risks of trading China stocks, saying he was "worried" over the high share prices following their record breaking run. Who can blame the Superman-Li when the stocks are trading at ridiculously 50 to 60 multiples of its' earning (P/E ratio)? Li is one of the closest tycoons in Hong Kong who has great relationship with China government. It was said that Li was the economic adviser of Beijing in certain aspect. I don't think he enjoys seeing streets of blood when the stock market crashes even though it presents him with an opportunity to buy at the lowest and possibly triple his fortune - the price to pay is too high.
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      The Shanghai Composite Index breached the historic 4,000 points level for the first time last week. While this is not a reason to chicken out from the stock market, the fact that the stocks are trading at P/E (price to earning) ratio of 50 times as compare to Asian average of 14-18 times is worrying. While the China has over US$1 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, a collapse will see the domino effect of panic sell-off in regional stock markets which might turn the 1997-1998 Asia Currency Crisis looks like a boy-scout. Speculators are watching and will definitely add salt to the wounds should the bubble burst.
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      You can see vegetable sellers, fishmongers, grocery owners, housewives or even students are thronging into the stocks market leaving their jobs and profession behind - a simple sign of a bubble is about to burst. For those who experienced the past bubble burst and recession would understand what I am trying to say. These are the last crowds or the last line of defence (or rather victims) a stock exchange can have before the final burst occurs.

Having said that, how do I know the bubble will burst? Well, I don't but all the signs are there on the wall already. You just need a small spark of cry to create the anxiety amongst the investors or speculators and the fear-emotion will be the fuel to the fire.

Depending on your region, you might want to consider selling half of your portfolios (as long as you're making money) or at least a portion of it. When the China's economy bubble burst, I'm sure you know which countries will be affected the most. U.S. is not the only economic superpower now, though I can surely say U.S. might be the country which will recovers the fastest should anything happened to China's economy. Recentyl when the China Sneezes, U.S. Catches Cold and Others Panic is a good example of how volatile and influence China's factor is in current global economic situation.

But seriously, even if you're being warned now and the stock started to crack tomorrow, Monday 21-May 2007, would you sell? I doubt so because 90% of the investors will hold on in hoping their respective stocks will recover - this is the human aspects which have never changed since the word "stocks market" was created. You should know that you can never buy at the lowest nor can you sell at the highest. As long as there're profits to be made, you're considered a winner. Remember the saying "Bull and Bear makes money, Pig gets slaughtered"?



Added on May 22, 2007, 8:17 pmAnd I saw some of you milking UEM

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Bernama reported that a total of RM 23.66 billion (USD 6.7 Billion) has been collected by 19 Malaysian highway concessionaires since the introduction of the highway privatization concept until 2006. The mind-boggling amount of money collected including the Penang bridge and the Malaysia-Singapore Second Crossing (LINKEDUA).

In written answers to Teresa Kok (DAP representative of Seputeh) and Tan Kok Wai (DAP representative of Cheras) at the Dewan Rakyat today, Works Minister Samy Vellu said that until the end of last year, an average of RM41 million was spent to maintain all the highways and bridges concerned. DAP (Democratic Action Party) is the leading opposition party in Malaysia in terms of number of parliamentary seats.

Samy Vellu explained that about RM5.9 billion was spent to build the North-South Highway and RM27.83 million was the monthly cost of maintaining it. The 50-year concession period for that highway began in 1988.

He further said that the amount of toll collected for the Penang bridge was RM1.7 billion while that of the North-South Expressway Central Link (ELITE) stood at RM1.05 billion. Projek Lebuhraya Utara-Selatan Berhad (PLUS) is involved in the operation and maintenance of a tolled expressway network comprising the North-South Interurban Toll Expressway, the New Klang Valley Expressway, a section of Federal Highway Route 2 between Subang and Klang, and the Seremban-Port Dickson Highway (SPDH) in Peninsular Malaysia. PLUS Expressway Berhad (KLSE: PLUS, stock-code 5052) is closely related to UMNO, the ruling party of Malaysia.

Looking from the history, when Mahathir Mohamad became Malaysia's premier, he instructed his trusted friend Daim Zainuddin to overhaul the then paltry business interests of the dominant party, the United Malays National Organization (UMNO). In 1984 Mahathir named Daim finance minister and appointed him UMNO's treasurer with responsibility for the party's investments. Daim immediately began privatizing state projects and brought in Halim Saad, one of his commanders and a nominee shareholder and manager for UMNO.

A New Zealand-trained accountant, Halim in 1984 formed a private company that acquired a controlling equity stake in publicly listed UEM (now defunct), then a small engineering services concern. UEM's ownership in UMNO was hidden from the Malaysian public for the next three years. But UEM's Plus subsidiary was awarded a contract to finance, build, and operate a toll road running the length of peninsular Malaysia-the North-South Expressway. This project, which ultimately cost about $1.4 billion-became UEM's cash cow for years.

With the reported billions of dollars collected, it means the initial building-costs has been recouped and whatever profits to be collect from now onwards (till the year 2038) will become pure profit minus the maintenance-costs. It's near to impossible for the government to revise the contract which obviously sided PLUS, so the stock-price of PLUS will have only one way to go over the time - NORTH.


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QUOTE(wufei @ May 22 2007, 08:13 PM)
hibernating...... i have stop chasing the market liao. But i still monitoring the thread.

SSEX is worrying me.  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

Since I am posting I would like to share something with you all.

Added on May 22, 2007, 8:17 pmAnd I saw some of you milking UEM
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very informative. Those points leading to market crash undeniably well said and have been said. Only the point of time......so, better gear up some cash for the next round of opportunity. Still have some leftovers though.


Added on May 22, 2007, 9:20 pmactually , I am really wondering where have all the retail investors been besides us. No wonder most of the second & third liner shares aren't moving due to no support from them. Its sad this time won't be able to be like the hot times of 1994

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Thanks wufei for the article.

Just an hour before I read your post, I actually made up my mind to cash out some money in my portfolio. As per stated by DigitalTech, cash is king. Since I had earn some profits there, I think I should quit, for this moment. smile.gif
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for people holding transmile stock it's better to get out 1st thing in the morning. tomorrow guarantee drop more with news that it's ceo may get sack
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do you really think tat it's a bad news?
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u have your ceo being the one who cheated on the accounts because he's a very big shareholder ?? yea very likely it drop. it's actually surprising it only drop 30 cents today. because the news was out in thestar online. tomorrow publish in newspapers more ppl read thus pushing price down
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I have somemore article, but i need help from someone who can read chinese to translate :

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Li Ka Shing 李嘉誠:中國股將失控趕快出場 推薦給朋友 列印
updated:2007-05-19 18:18:43 MYT



(北京訊)中國股市泡沫化嚴重,已讓香港首富李嘉誠週四破例出口警告投資人對中國股市應居高思危,而英美兩大外資機構中國區負責人也向投資人示警,認為中股多頭行情即將失控,若泡沫破滅將嚴重衝擊香港股市。

美林集團中國區主席劉二飛在北京一場私募基金會議上表示,中國股市指數今年已飆漲84%,投資人應縮減對陸股的投資部位。


劉二飛說:"股價不僅過高而且逐漸失去控制。現在是出場的絕佳時機,也就是說現在不是投資的時候。"

他指出,中股股價過高不代表投資人不能做長期投資,但最好把檯面上的籌碼減少一點。

無獨有偶,香港上海匯豐銀行執行董事王冬勝接受香港電台訪問時也警告,中國企業已佔香港股市大約四成的規模,若中股泡沫破滅勢必嚴重影響香港。

王冬勝說:"如果有任何政策可抑制中國的經濟成長,將會直接影響這些企業(在香港上市的中國企業),進而影響港股的表現。"

王冬勝指出,最近市場擔憂大陸過熱是有根據的,若中國股市崩盤,對香港股市的衝擊會"相當嚴重"。

李嘉誠:擔心股市確有泡沫現象

身兼長江實業與和記黃埔董事長的香港億萬富豪李嘉誠,一天前才提出警告說:"身為中國人,我非常擔心股票市場。現在本益比是50至60倍,這的確有泡沫現象。我當然不希望看到泡沫破滅,投資人最好更小心一點。"

中國股熱度不退,自2月27日全球股災以來,中國滬深300種指數(CSI 300)已大漲48%,上海證券交易所綜合指數上週更首度衝破4000點大關。分析師估計,上證綜合指數成份股的本益比已攀升到50倍左右,遠高於亞洲平均值的14至18倍。

過去3年來,中國經濟每年都以10%以上的速度成長,吸引滿手現金的外資蜂擁而入,進而推升中股行情。

中国推出一系列紧缩举措
2007年05月19日09:45大 | 中 | 小

中国政府周五加强了对过热经济的调控力度,虽然所采取的一系列紧缩措施之前大都已经使用过,但此次央行选择将这些措施在同一时间推出,做法可谓颇不寻常。

中国政府周五公布一系列收紧货币政策的举措,并表示将扩大美元/人民币汇率日交易区间,进一步加强了对经济过热的调控力度。


Can anyone tell me what is Superman Li is talking about?
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(The Beijing news) the Chinese stock market froth is serious, has let Hong Kong richest family Li Jiacheng Thursday make an exception the exportation to warn the investor should have advantage to the Chinese stock market thinks the danger, but the English America two big foreign capitals organizations China area person in charge also shows the police to the investor, thought the stock quotations soon lose control, if the froth will be disillusioned seriously attacks the Hong Kong stock market. Beautiful forest group China area President Liu two flies privately in Beijing solicits in the fund conference to indicate that, Chinese stock market index this year the anabatic wind rose 84%, the investor should reduce to the land stock investment spot. Liu two flies said that, "The stock price not only has been high moreover gradually loses the control. Now is enters the stage 絕 the good opportunity, in other words now is not investment time." He pointed out that, center the stock stock price excessively high cannot make the long-term investment on behalf of the investor, but is best the floor in chip reduces 1.. Not come singly but in pairs, Hong Kong Shanghai Hongkong and Shanghai Bank execution trustee Wang Tungsheng accepts when the Hong Kong broadcasting station visit also warned that, the Chinese business already occupies the Hong Kong stock market about four tenths scales, if center the stock froth will be disillusioned inevitably seriously affects Hong Kong. Wang Tungsheng said that, "If has any policy to be possible to suppress Chinese the economical growth, will be able directly to affect these enterprises (the Chinese enterprise which will go on the market in Hong Kong), then influence port stock performance." Wang Tungsheng pointed out that, the recent market worried the mainland heat has had the basis, if the Chinese stock market collapses the plate, "is quite serious" to the Hong Kong stock market's impact meeting. Li Jiacheng: The worry stock market really has the froth phenomenon The body concurrently Yangtze River industry with with records Huangpu Chairman Hong Kong trillion rich and powerful people Li Jiacheng, one day ago only then proposed the warning said: "The body is a Chinese, I extremely worry the stock market. Now this profit ratio is 50 to 60 times, this indeed has the froth phenomenon. I certainly did not hope saw the froth is disillusioned, the investor best is more careful 1.." The Chinese stock heat degree does not draw back, since February 27 the global stock disaster, the Chinese Shanghai deep 300 kind of indexs (CSI 300) greatly rose 48%, the Shanghai stock market composite index first broke through 4000. critical junctions last week. The analyst estimated that, on card composite index ingredient stock this profit compared to climbed to 50 times about, far is higher than the Asian mean value 14 to 18 times. In the past for 3 years, the Chinese economy every year by 10% above speed growth, attracted the full hand cash the foreign capital to swarm enters, then pushed rises to hit the stock quotation. Center □promotes a series of □□□handles on May 19, 2007 09:45 in a big way | center | to be small Center □the government Friday added □□□□□□controlled dynamics, □however adopted in front of a series of □□measures mostly already □use □, but this central bank □□□□measure in identical □□promoted, the procedure might □□often. Center □the government Friday announces a series of receives □□□the policy □to handle, and expressed □□big US dollar/people's □□rate date transaction □□, □a step of Canada □□□□□□controls dynamics.


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Basically, advise that investors reduce their positions in the chinese market. Prices have gone up too high.
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Seriously, people. How much is enough? You can never sell at the highest. In this game, if you want to win, then draw a line. Know where's your exit point.

I already already disposed all my share except maybulk 2k bonus shares which only payout on Thurs.

I am happy I made some money. I rather have good night sleep and wait for another opportunity comes. This is an on going process. Why push ourself so hard and suffer at the end, right?

CASH IS KING!
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As I said before on Transmile, there are still plenty of hidden issues that unknown to the public not as simple as only involved accounting sense.

Personally, until it is clearing up the issues and become 'cleaner', I won't touch the share, too risky for personal liking, you don't know what will happen next.

In the market there are still others that worth to be investing, if others already going higher then stay out and wait.

China market is on 'crazy' bull currently and the bubble keep on inflating, if not cooling down, a big burst is imminent.
In reality, finance wise, if China market burst, it only has minimal real direct impact on US stock market since China market is not freely trade and open up to the foreigners, also its scale is too small to make an impact on US.
The impact will be on sentiment side and psychology. The Feb 28 plunge is due to psychology side and which US stock market take an accuse to take profit also which had long run up without much meaningful correction.

But locally, KLSE, it might take a big hit if China market burst since KLSE currently is not cheap anymore, some index linked counters are trading at forward PERx of more than 20 which is difficult to justify except through significant earning improvement or being taken private at a premium. Currently, it is the massive liquidity and momemtum that drive the market rather than people buying stock because stock is cheap.
Current scenario is like 'too much money chasing too little investment option'.
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guys time to rest take break for holiday brows.gif well when time come we earn some big money again....hold your cash as much as you can. any tips i let you guys know
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according to that Chinese article, Li Ka Shing said," as a Chinese, I am worried about the stock market. The P/E ratio is 50-60 times, and this is definitely a sign of the bubble. I of course do not want to see the bubble bursting, so investors be careful."

this is serious
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wat is HELP's fair price?


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Thanks wufei for the article.

Just an hour before I read your post, I actually made up my mind to cash out some money in my portfolio. As per stated by DigitalTech, cash is king. Since I had earn some profits there, I think I should quit, for this moment. smile.gif
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r u cashing out now? biggrin.gif
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why didnt star publish the news of transmil CEO may get sacked ?
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QUOTE(vvv @ May 23 2007, 12:15 AM)
wat is HELP's fair price?
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IPO price 0.80
yesterday highest 0.930
yesterday lowest 0.915
yesterday closed at 0.925


QUOTE(ts1 @ May 23 2007, 07:57 AM)
r u cashing out now?  biggrin.gif
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yah lor mate.
but will see how's the market today
hopefully is greenie smile.gif

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tranmil plunged down might be good news, i might buy it again at lower price.
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u have your ceo being the one who cheated on the accounts because he's a very big shareholder ?? yea very likely it drop. it's actually surprising it only drop 30 cents today. because the news was out in thestar online. tomorrow publish in newspapers more ppl read thus pushing price down
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why didnt star publish the news of transmil CEO may get sacked ?
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this morning TRANMIL 9.800 (-0.400)
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tranmil plunged down might be good news, i might buy it again at lower price.
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buy also not at this moment, i believe.
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yea i know im looking at the stock nonstop laugh.gif
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I think whoever holds HELP better sell before it goes down further, at least cheop some profits first
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 23 2007, 09:13 AM)
IPO price 0.80
yesterday highest 0.930
yesterday lowest 0.915
yesterday closed at 0.925
yah lor mate.
but will see how's the market today
hopefully is greenie smile.gif
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if up again u said sell tomolo... tongue.gif

seriously, i dun wan to sell b4 reaCH 4 buck cool2.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 23 2007, 09:26 AM)
this morning TRANMIL 9.800 (-0.400)
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tranmil should plunged down like a dollar or two.... for me to buy it
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tranmil should plunged down like a dollar or two....
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if up again u said sell tomolo... tongue.gif

seriously, i dun wan to sell b4 reaCH 4 buck  cool2.gif
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no no no

me too, planning to sell when it is 4.00
this week doesnt likely MAYBULK will reach 4.00 hmm.gif
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why? got insider info bro  tongue.gif
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Heard that the CFO has either been sacked or has gone AWOL.

Should be something really serious in their accounts. It gives me shivers down my spine now.. shocking.gif
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I think whoever holds HELP better sell before it goes down further, at least cheop some profits first
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Sigh, I made the wrong move yesterday.
I bought 1 lot HELP @ 0.98 (shit, when reaching its peak!)
then I sold it and bought again @ 0.93
and it is plunging somemore, today doh.gif
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Heard that the CFO has either been sacked or has gone AWOL.

Should be something really serious in their accounts. It gives me shivers down my spine now.. shocking.gif
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what price did u get?
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Maybulk is continuing rising strong. Now 3.68. Very good counter.
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no no no

me too, planning to sell when it is 4.00
this week doesnt likely MAYBULK will reach 4.00  hmm.gif
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maybe next week will reach...btw, if u read my post..i nvr like HELP shares cool2.gif
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Maybulk is continuing rising strong. Now 3.68. Very good counter.
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It used to be at 4.00 and above before the bonus issue
highest I have seen was around 4.50 iiam
haven't reach 5.00 yet, although I DO hope that it will reach 5.00 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 23 2007, 09:51 AM)
Sigh, I made the wrong move yesterday.
I bought 1 lot HELP @ 0.98 (shit, when reaching its peak!)
then I sold it and bought again @ 0.93
and it is plunging somemore, today  doh.gif
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one lot is not too bad. Take is as your tuition fee
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maybe next week will reach...btw, if u read my post..i nvr like HELP shares  cool2.gif
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My mistake.

Will keep it for a week or so, will see how far it can go.
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one lot is not too bad. Take is as your tuition fee
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market starts to be shaky these days, up , down , up, down, see-saw up and down.....
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i see down mostly, grrrrrrrrrr

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i see down mostly, grrrrrrrrrr
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agree 100%

if u look, most of counters are down or not moving compare to beginning of the year...

if we sell maybulk, money has to park somewhere to earn efficiently..i wonder any shares tat would hv my confidence to rise but not up much at the moment..i dun like goreng shares fyi tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 23 2007, 10:33 AM)
agree 100%

if u look, most of counters are down or not moving compare to beginning of the year...

if we sell maybulk, money has to park somewhere to earn efficiently..i wonder any shares tat would hv my confidence to rise but not up much at the moment..i dun like goreng shares fyi  tongue.gif
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I am keeping my 2k maybulk share for long term. smile.gif

maybulk now dropped to 3.62. Help back to original ipo price 88cents.

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today is not a good day to sell.
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today is not a good day to sell.
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i remembered in feb when market corrected due to china crashes, maybulk only drop a bit tongue.gif ..ini kapal can tahan angin kuat tongue.gif


Added on May 23, 2007, 10:46 amtransmile start to cirit birit tongue.gif

-0.65

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make it drop to 8 and i'll have somemore tongue.gif


Added on May 23, 2007, 10:59 amscomal is so active. yesterday i bought few at 0.265

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between 14/05/07-17/05/07, Capital Group International Inc. acquired total of 2,499,400 Transmile's shares at average price of RM9.45, amounting to total price of RM23.6 millions..

tats only between 14/05/07-17/05/07, maybe more on 18/5/07-22/5/07
looks like fund managers are grabbing the opportunities..

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...77?OpenDocument
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...D2?OpenDocument
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...79?OpenDocument

like i said b4, as long as the problem doesn't affect its business, then it will be a opportunity to buy in.. landing rights and strategic partner with DHL aren't fake, and Transmile will still be a profitable company..
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 23 2007, 10:46 AM)
i remembered in feb when market corrected due to china crashes, maybulk only drop a bit  tongue.gif ..ini kapal can tahan angin kuat tongue.gif


Added on May 23, 2007, 10:46 amtransmile start to cirit birit tongue.gif

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lol kapal kuat! tongue.gif
hahah i like the term "cirit birit" laugh.gif


QUOTE(~Battousai~ @ May 23 2007, 10:48 AM)
make it drop to 8 and i'll have somemore tongue.gif


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how much you think it can go after you buy at 8.00?

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transmile drop 1.1 now....true drops will be when the make annoucement tongue.gif

might wanna go in ard 8 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 23 2007, 11:06 AM)
lol kapal kuat! tongue.gif
hahah i like the term "cirit birit" laugh.gif
how much you think it can go after you buy at 8.00?
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let robert kuok buy more shares and lower price after a few days and straight above 10 again.. im aiming for 12 at least tongue.gif
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drop 13pts is bad...

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drop 13pts is bad...
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not a time to buy

not a time to sell

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Luckily I overslept today .. red means no business today ..  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 23 2007, 11:03 AM)
between 14/05/07-17/05/07, Capital Group International Inc. acquired total of 2,499,400 Transmile's shares at average price of RM9.45, amounting to total price of RM23.6 millions..

tats only between 14/05/07-17/05/07, maybe more on 18/5/07-22/5/07
looks like fund managers are grabbing the opportunities..

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...77?OpenDocument
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...D2?OpenDocument
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...79?OpenDocument

like i said b4, as long as the problem doesn't affect its business, then it will be a opportunity to buy in.. landing rights and strategic partner with DHL aren't fake, and Transmile will still be a profitable company..
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Personally think that, for those want to sell their holding of Maybulk then use the cash to buy other 'chapalang' stock, better keep your holding. If really want to take profit then keep the cash and wait for the downturn, don't jump back straight away especially into some 'chapalang' one. Anyway, just my personal think.

The worldwide bourses has risen quite awhile and probably is due to some correction in near term.

China Shanghai CI set another new high today, how scary it is.



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Personally think that, for those want to sell their holding of Maybulk then use the cash to buy other 'chapalang' stock, better keep your holding. If really want to take profit then keep the cash and wait for the downturn, don't jump back straight away especially into some 'chapalang' one. Anyway, just my personal think.

The worldwide bourses has risen quite awhile and probably is due to some correction in near term.

China Shanghai CI set another new high today, how scary it is.
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Fully agree.

I'll cash out & keep the money for the meantime.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 23 2007, 02:00 PM)
Personally think that, for those want to sell their holding of Maybulk then use the cash to buy other 'chapalang' stock, better keep your holding. If really want to take profit then keep the cash and wait for the downturn, don't jump back straight away especially into some 'chapalang' one. Anyway, just my personal think.

The worldwide bourses has risen quite awhile and probably is due to some correction in near term.

China Shanghai CI set another new high today, how scary it is.
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exactly wat i tght biggrin.gif
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testing.............................


Added on May 23, 2007, 2:23 pmFTSE red
Hang Seng red
DJ red


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Cash is KING!
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but according to news an hour ago, Aseambankers forecasts CI will hit 1400 soon as they reckon our market is still intact with many good news flowing in, sometimes wonder are they just playing a guessing game mellow.gif mellow.gif
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well..its their job of all the fund managers to give a forecast. imagine what will happen to their job if they say market gonna crash soon! laugh.gif

back to equine...heh...

i think got good support level at ~1.80 leh. past 1 week its been hovering +-9sen from there.

hmm.gif im getting ideas already...tsktsk...never learn my lesson! laugh.gif
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anyone think equine will go any higher? i have some thinking of selling, bought it around rm0.50
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anyone think equine will go any higher? i have some thinking of selling, bought it around rm0.50
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better locked in gain...

fundamentally equine shld not value that high i think...

earn 1.30 per share still wanna wait?

later macam tebrau turun bit by bit baru tau icon_idea.gif
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haha... i have tebrau too.... and i bought it high... win some loss some, that's the share market for me...
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look like u like to buy based on rumour..it is good when market is performing..how to say.." kin ho six sau" c good better save
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Almost no (or 99%) analysts dare to say the market is going to crash or predict market will be bearish.
Imagine he/she makes this kind of call then all the company clients redeem the mutual fund, retailers dare not to touch the stock market, instituitional players stay sideline, then probably his/her job goes as well since no business already. biggrin.gif

Even when Nasdaq hit 5000 time, still more than 50% of the analysts put a 'buy' rating on those dotcom company.
Even market is high, the most analysts will do is to put on 'hold' rating or 'underpeform', seldom got 'sell' rating, only a handful normally on those sky-rocket share.

I find a bit amusing that some analysts said this year target is 1360-1400. Now the index already or almost in this level, still he/she said the market is bullish ahead and can look for opportunties to go in but isn't it when target is reached, don't buy anymore and take some profit off the table and play more safe? Sounds a bit contrading.

From my long term experience, a lot of analysts (but not all) normally is a 'double head' snake, they tend to follow the trend and said according to it, (to be more safe). When market up, then say market is bullish, blar blar reason even gov servant pay rise also can justify the stock market rise.

But when market crash time, said future uncertain, risky, then give plenty of reason, if the gov servant pay rise come out when market is bearish then analysts will say it will widen the budget deficit, doesn't necessary good for the stock market which means less gov expenditure on project, then give some reason again.

When market is bearish, index at 600-800, not many analysts making 'buy' call on those blue chip like Maxis, IOIcorp, KLK, even MISC. Now when market is good time, then say this is good that is good. All looks bright and good.

Just to share my experience, my intention is not to criticie but just to remind people not to blindly follow. Analysts is making recommendation only, doesn't mean they are surely correct, otherwise, those analysts already become rich like Warren Buffett already.
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well, my friend (supposingly knowing many inside people) told me tebrau will go up to rm5, i believe him because he has been in market for quite long, and quite successful, by successful, i mean really successful, we bought together (i bought some for him actually...) maybe need to wait a bit longer (hopefully...)
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 23 2007, 03:27 PM)
Almost no (or 99%) analysts dare to say the market is going to crash or predict market will be bearish.
Imagine he/she makes this kind of call then all the company clients redeem the mutual fund, retailers dare not to touch the stock market, instituitional players stay sideline, then probably his/her job goes as well since no business already.  biggrin.gif

Even when Nasdaq hit 5000 time, still more than 50% of the analysts put a 'buy' rating on those dotcom company.
Even market is high, the most analysts will do is to put on 'hold' rating or 'underpeform', seldom got 'sell' rating, only a handful normally on those sky-rocket share.

I find a bit amusing that some analysts said this year target is 1360-1400. Now the index already or almost in this level, still he/she said the market is bullish ahead and can look for opportunties to go in but isn't it when target is reached, don't buy anymore and take some profit off the table and play more safe? Sounds a bit contrading.

From my long term experience, a lot of analysts (but not all) normally is a 'double head' snake, they tend to follow the trend and said according to it, (to be more safe). When market up, then say market is bullish, blar blar reason even gov servant pay rise also can justify the stock market rise.

But when market crash time, said future uncertain, risky, then give plenty of reason, if the gov servant pay rise come out when market is bearish then analysts will say it will widen the budget deficit, doesn't necessary good for the stock market which means less gov expenditure on project, then give some reason again.

When market is bearish, index at 600-800, not many analysts making 'buy' call on those blue chip like Maxis, IOIcorp, KLK, even MISC. Now when market is good time, then say this is good that is good. All looks bright and good.

Just to share my experience, my intention is not to criticie but just to remind people not to blindly follow. Analysts is making recommendation only, doesn't mean they are surely correct, otherwise, those analysts already become rich like Warren Buffett already.
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QUOTE(LPJ @ May 23 2007, 03:34 PM)
well, my friend (supposingly knowing many inside people) told me tebrau will go up to rm5, i believe him because he has been in market for quite long, and quite successful, by successful, i mean really successful,  we bought together (i bought some for him actually...) maybe need to wait a bit longer (hopefully...)
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my friend also told me this pc of info that it is expected to rise to $5, I did not buy but my friend is still holding them hoping, hoping..... (maybe need to check the Iskandar project in Johor is it moving forward?)

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QUOTE(LPJ @ May 23 2007, 03:34 PM)
well, my friend (supposingly knowing many inside people) told me tebrau will go up to rm5, i believe him because he has been in market for quite long, and quite successful, by successful, i mean really successful,  we bought together (i bought some for him actually...) maybe need to wait a bit longer (hopefully...)
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pls la

my fren works in a bank...told me b4 cny that tebrau will up to RM5 due to land revaluations...u only know RM5...in this case, not only u...it seems that the whole retails players r known to this speculation..

when the time u heard this kind of news

1) it will go up but not as much as RM5

2) gorengers aldy plan to exit the shares once retail players buy the news
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hmm... i see proton and proton ca is against all odd, moving up sharply after a long slumping trend... y huh? anyone know?
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pls la

my fren works in a bank...told me b4 cny that tebrau will up to RM5 due to land revaluations...u only know RM5...in this case, not only u...it seems that the whole retails players r known to this speculation..

when the time u heard this kind of news

1) it will go up but not as much as RM5

2) gorengers aldy plan to exit the shares once retail players buy the news

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the above bold statement applies not only to TEBRAU
but EVERY potential stocks in the market

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end for today

hoping for a better tomorrow

*pray pray*

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Are you sure? Please do case study on "PERWAJA STEEL"
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wats the similiarities with loss-made Perwaja Steel?
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Sigh, I made the wrong move yesterday.
I bought 1 lot HELP @ 0.98 (shit, when reaching its peak!)
then I sold it and bought again @ 0.93
and it is plunging somemore, today  doh.gif
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how much u sell?

im worse lah, bought 20 lots at 0.985 and still keeping.
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Bought PERISAI again for the 4th time..hoping for 4th time lucky biggrin.gif
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doh.gif I'm still holding it since RM 0.960 doh.gif
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What's nice abt PERISAI ? Mind to share ?
Look at its volume really ain't my cup of tea.. smile.gif

What happen to Mkland...? o.O
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QUOTE(USJprince @ May 23 2007, 07:19 PM)
What's nice abt PERISAI ? Mind to share ?
Look at its volume really ain't my cup of tea.. smile.gif

What happen to Mkland...? o.O
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I have been monitoring MK land since 1 month ago and it has been on a downtrend after reaching its high. I wanted to enter just now @ 0.975 but suspect dat it might slide some more, the ideal price for me is 0.80-0.85. Heard that its profits has reduced a lot, some quarters by 80% but might pick up later with their newly lauch projects
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got huge land like talam/keuro..some of the previous launches had low take up...<50%...n some of these aldy completed n serving bridging loans interest..

50% thumb rule is for developer to breakeven..less than that..better dun start earthwork tongue.gif

mustapha kamal aldy redesignated frm ceo n presently half leg out of sight since he in charge of cyberjaya now...

why ppl like SP Setia? ok becoz its got industry recognise consistent quality...

i like see hoy chan too bad non listed tongue.gif

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Hope today will be a better day for HELP stocks laugh.gif .. but DJ down again yesterday .. sweat.gif
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i think have to keep for a month..any suggestion?
today i think CI will be red
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seems dat most investors are not playing today. Very cautious mood.


Added on May 24, 2007, 9:39 am
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Hope today will be a better day for HELP stocks  laugh.gif  .. but DJ down again yesterday ..  sweat.gif
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It was reported yesterday dat Help boss is venturing into Africa soon but it does not seem to support the price.


Added on May 24, 2007, 9:45 amin my opinion, stocks that are related to education is not so popular among investors. Though it can be promising, people usually disregard its potential because they prefer to go what's in the trend right now, like, plantation, oil & gas, construction and property.

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another boring day

guess tomorrow would be the same, too

hoping for a better monday
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Transmile is getting more fishy. Be very cautious.....
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Transmile is getting more fishy. Be very cautious.....
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yah lor

closed at 9.00 yesterday

now going up +0.150

price sooooooo unstable

like riding rollercoaster
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good la bursa malaysia.
dun follow regional anymore.

ppl up we only one down.
ppl down we down the most.

let's go for the 1300 level by end of this month.
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Greenspan speaks....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...RnC4&refer=home
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 24 2007, 10:41 AM)
interesting article, 1st prize: Li Kashing, 2nd prize:Greenspan, 3rd?


Added on May 24, 2007, 11:16 amjust heard from news 10 minutes ago that OSK giving a BUY call for Air Asia, target price: 2.40, now about 1.93. Net profit went up plenty, besides it is well managed and probably their subsidiaries will get listed soon too, Going to get a few. drool.gif

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did china bubble just burst today?
everything in my portfolio is red

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china is up a bit now
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The higher it goes, the harder the fall.....
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 24 2007, 10:54 AM)
interesting article, 1st prize: Li Kashing, 2nd prize:Greenspan, 3rd?


Added on May 24, 2007, 11:16 amjust heard from news 10 minutes ago that OSK giving a BUY call for Air Asia, target price: 2.40, now about 1.93.  Net profit went up plenty, besides it is well managed and probably their subsidiaries will get listed soon too, Going to get a few. drool.gif
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AIRASIA would be making dual listing according to yesterday's biznews.
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ya this few days is kinda borint..expected tomorrow will be a cold day for market again. maybe on monday come back.
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it's like someone is playing around with the market...but i think everyone is expecting a correction soon, especially after what greenspan commented yesterday...seems like everyone is paying attention, except the chinese sad.gif

just asking, any ideas what is happening to time eng? no news anywhere except the recent quarterly report showing reduced losses but seems to be dropping out of proportion compared to time dot com...i understand apart from it's share of losses in time dot com, the company is profitable...anyone planning to buy?

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Red for all my stocks and even most of the stock ... HELP news to widen their education abroad didn't help their stock to increase, it down actually day by day .. icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 24 2007, 12:48 PM)
Red for all my stocks and even most of the stock ... HELP news to widen their education abroad didn't help their stock to increase, it down actually day by day .. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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bad time to list IPO...now sentiment not good, but who knows, maybe it will rebound once sentiment gets better...hopefully before china bubble bursts

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i see everyone writing about china bubble burst

what exactly would happen when china bubble burst?

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 24 2007, 02:27 PM)
i see everyone writing about china bubble burst

what exactly would happen when china bubble burst?
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That will be the time to sapu cheap stock. hehheeh. rclxms.gif
That's why now accumulating bullets.

When everybody buy, you sell
When everybody sell, you buy

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These few days market red le... Regional still Ok, China Up.. Malaysia down... and down...

I am new to this thread, hope I am welcome here...

Was holding some steel stocks, now left with Melewar... Losing money for this, still holding... Just hope some good news annouce for this stock... hehe....


Added on May 24, 2007, 3:30 pm
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Red for all my stocks and even most of the stock ... HELP news to widen their education abroad didn't help their stock to increase, it down actually day by day .. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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Bad timing... Now is quiet period, everyone is selling, market is quiet, good news also wont move the market much...

Heard that US stocks are going for major corrections, if it is so, Bursa will continue to be on a downtrend... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 24 2007, 03:23 PM)
That will be the time to sapu cheap stock. hehheeh.  rclxms.gif
That's why now accumulating bullets.

When everybody buy, you sell
When everybody sell, you buy
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It is not a day or 2 if it is really burst. If burst it may take several months of downturn before stock become really cheap and also it can take years before market recover. It is not few day frenzy. Don't need to 'sapu' otherwise millions of bullet also not enough, you have the time to buy little by little over time if the bubble burst and the effect spread to regional bourses.




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it's bubble. not slowdown. so it will happen similar to the dot com bubble. It will happen quite drastic.

If it's not drastic, then it will not called a bubble.

When bubble burst, it will just 'pop'. It won't shrink in size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 24 2007, 03:45 PM)
it's bubble. not slowdown. so it will happen similar to the dot com bubble. It will happen quite drastic.

If it's not drastic, then it will not called a bubble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble
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Even dotcom bubble burst time, it still takes more than half a year for Nasdaq composite to drop from 5000 to less than 2000. Just like 1997 financial crisis, it takes months before KLSE CI to drop from 1200 to 200 points. In between, there are still got technical rebound, see saw trading before it reach bottom, not straight line down.

No doubt it is on the bubble state but when stock market turn bearish time, it is not a few day frenzy. It takes time for people to totally lose hope and confident or over bullishnes.

People always make mistake buying too soon in a down market and sell too soon when market bullish time. Patient is important. Even tomorrow China market burst, KLSE the most will drop how many points? 30 points? 50 points? even drop 100 points still at 1200 level, still expensive compared to beginning of the year, not cheap yet.
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*sob*, *sob*... my GENTING... cry.gif

doh.gif

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Just known today that I can't sell my stock if :

Example :

1) 5 lot Help - bought 1 January at Rm 1.20
2) 2 lot Help - bought 10 January at Rm 1.00

If I want to sell .. let's see if I want to sell 2 lot at price Rm 1.10, they will deduct from the first stock I bought. It's mean they deduct 2 lot of Rm 1.20 lot that were bougth at the first time, and not the price at Rm 1.00 .. then I'm loss .. sweat.gif

Is it true? sweat.gif
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anybody heard anything bout kimble/??

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holi cow...genting so cheap d! 7.85 only!!!

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holi cow...genting so cheap d! 7.85 only!!!

*rubs salt into wound*

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hmm mm,... your post is 05:01 PM... however, your information not so updated geh?! tongue.gif

It's 7.80 that even cheaper than 7.85... doh.gif cry.gif mad.gif vmad.gif

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Cheapest Genting stock I've seen since the split was RM7.75. It might have a rebound once it touches those ranges like now. I'm still waiting for it to drop like Feb crash.
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GENTING announced latest Q1 result, its profit is double if compared to previous year same quarter..

Revenue / Net Profit
2007 Q1: RM 2,029,636,000 / RM 656,695,000
2006 Q4: RM 2,331,168,000 / RM 506,034,000
2006 Q3: RM 1,722,208,000 / RM 418,677,000
2006 Q2: RM 1,530,281,000 / RM 272,026,000
2006 Q1: RM 1,233,654,000 / RM 307,477,000

P/E ratio of rolling 4Q net profit is only 15.56 biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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So, it's a good time to buy it? Or perhaps should wait a little more?
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hihi all sifu,
Mind tell me if
Magnum Special 1 dividen 25.00 DPS is on 31st May,
how much dividen that I will get for 1000units ?
when I suppose to buy the shares, if 31st within my T+3 days do I need physical done the actual payment in order to enjoy the dividen?
What other good dividen shares I can buy for these few weeks? tongue.gif
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hihi all sifu,
Mind tell me if
Magnum Special 1 dividen 25.00 DPS is on 31st May,
how much dividen that I will get for 1000units ?
when I suppose to buy the shares, if 31st within my T+3 days do I need physical done the actual payment in order to enjoy the dividen?
What other good dividen shares I can buy for these few weeks? tongue.gif
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supposedly magnum dividend ex-date is 31 may. If you buy on 30 May, you are entitled to dividend (regardless T+3), as long as it is before 31 May.

In my opinion of good dividend shares, I support MIDF(1.47). It announces 10 cents recently and it is relatively cheap with P/E around 12. It is not a volatile stock and stabil so, I feel quite safe with it. Anybody with other recommendations?
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MAGNUM is not giving away the 70 sen dividend in one lum sum

they divide the dividend into 3 parts

20 sen, 20 sen, and 30 sen

all given out at a respective different date

the last dividend (which is 30 sen) will be given out around August 07

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anybody heard anything bout kimble/??
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are you interested in that? Since 2 years ago, my friend has been holding it (0.85).They bought because there was news it could reach $1.50, only until today, finally , some news that Kimble is signing contract with Ikea $900 million for another 3 years to supply furniture ( see business times (News straits times) latest highlights)

one thing puzzles me, how come the boss (Kimble Yao) sold 700,000units of his share at 0.765

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supposedly magnum dividend ex-date is 31 may. If you buy on 30 May, you are entitled to dividend (regardless T+3), as long as it is before 31 May.

In my opinion of good dividend shares, I support MIDF(1.47). It announces 10 cents recently and it is relatively cheap with P/E around 12. It is not a volatile stock and stabil so, I feel quite safe with it. Anybody with other recommendations?
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I use to have Rubberex - it pays 20cents dividend a year. I have it for 1 year + before cashing out to buy more volatile shares - Rubberex price have been within Rm1.80-Rm2.10 range...

Public bank shares also a good buy for dividend... But if there is a major correction ahead, these heavy weights will kena which drops in 5cents per trade compared with Rubberex/MIDF of 1 cents.
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Just known today that I can't sell my stock if :

Example :

1) 5 lot Help - bought 1 January at Rm 1.20
2) 2 lot Help - bought 10 January at Rm 1.00

If I want to sell .. let's see if I want to sell 2 lot at price Rm 1.10, they will deduct from the first stock I bought. It's mean they deduct 2 lot of Rm 1.20 lot that were bougth at the first time, and not the price at Rm 1.00  .. then I'm loss ..  sweat.gif

Is it true?  sweat.gif
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Assuming that you hv paid for both,there's no difference in the first and second batch in your CDS account.It's just 7 lot of Help. rclxub.gif

If I were your Remisier,I would probably tell you that ok ,I will sell the 2 lot from the second batch that you bought at Rm1,then you would be happy,so do I. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 24 2007, 05:01 PM)
Just known today that I can't sell my stock if :

Example :

1) 5 lot Help - bought 1 January at Rm 1.20
2) 2 lot Help - bought 10 January at Rm 1.00

If I want to sell .. let's see if I want to sell 2 lot at price Rm 1.10, they will deduct from the first stock I bought. It's mean they deduct 2 lot of Rm 1.20 lot that were bougth at the first time, and not the price at Rm 1.00  .. then I'm loss ..  sweat.gif

Is it true?  sweat.gif
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yes, but you will be holding 5 lots at a lower cost (so, when you sell the last 5 lots, you need to ensure to get the price that covers your earlier loss)
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Dow  | 13,618.13 | Up 92.48 (0.68%)
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Dow  | 13,618.13 | Up 92.48 (0.68%)
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S&P  | 1,528.94 | Up 6.66 (0.44%)

will market showing green tomorrow?  rolleyes.gif
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Still early to tell right? The trade just starting in roughly 1 hour.

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China does not drop much, instead Malaysia and other asia bourses, why!
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Malaysian always panic .. if you read those newspaper, if they hear something terrible or just a gossip and of course they like to hear that .. their adrenaline will flow fast and they become so panic like the economic will down and we will jobless .. then, they will selling it fast without any doubt ... the weakness of Malaysian people that always hear and following any gossip to do their business ..... and didn't see the real strong fundamental in our country ... doh.gif

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it seems like HELP returning to its basic position..what really happen?


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Malaysian always panic .. if you read those newspaper, if they hear something terrible or just a gossip and of course they like to hear that  .. their adrenaline will flow fast and they become so panic like the economic will down and we will jobless .. then, they will selling it fast without any doubt ... the weakness of Malaysian people that always hear and following any gossip to do their business ..... and didn't see the real strong fundamental in our country ...  doh.gif

P/s: Pity on this people ...  unsure.gif
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Assuming that you hv paid for both,there's no difference in the first and second batch in your CDS account.It's just 7 lot of Help. rclxub.gif

If I were your Remisier,I would probably tell you that ok ,I will sell the 2 lot from the second batch that you bought at Rm1,then you would be happy,so do I. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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You talk like my remisier .. rclxms.gif . Knowledgeable, .. so, it's it hard to ask her to sell the second batch rather than first batch? And when the right time to tell her? Anytime can?

QUOTE(sharesa @ May 24 2007, 09:18 PM)
yes, but you will be holding 5 lots at a lower cost (so, when you sell the last 5 lots, you need to ensure to get the price that covers your earlier loss)
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If this happen, I'll get stuck to my old price of Takaful (1.48) .. the second batch (1.25) .. poor me for didn't know the rule .. cry.gif .. looonggg time to wait .. cry.gif or perhaps until the end of the year?

P/s: Anyone could prefer me the Bursa rule book?

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it seems like HELP returning to its basic position..what really happen?


Added on May 25, 2007, 10:04 am

i agree, they do not analyse based on its fundamental, when it collapse according to certain rumors, the one sitting at the end of the collapse earn laughing with the rumors tat it spread
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it means, time to buy brows.gif
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You already sold all of your stock panasonic88? Luckily, you got the money to do transaction .. rclxms.gif

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i think mkt is consolidating. I foresee more drops next week. Be patience....
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It surprises me that we do not hear much from the "tai goh" (big brother) edifgrto around. Instead, we have more new members but very knowledgeable (at least better than me). rclxms.gif

Today is another of those boring and sad day... all see red.

All my 3 counters see red cry.gif

It's true that Malaysia's market is hugely influenced by speculations and external factors. Although it has been announced that Malaysia is fundamentally good, its "players" do not care about it.

So, in KLSE, you need to "know the game" before you play it. laugh.gif
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those of you who grab a few pcs of magnum earlier. Congrat to you all

Me eyeing and on queqe HELP at RM 0.80 --> IPO price .

Loosk stupid isn't it, but no harm trying.
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I took advantage on yesterday's slump, and i got pbbank at 9.60 yesterday, a big bargain.... hope next week will be great
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yah MAGNUM up +0.140

i believe will be more investors buying MAGNUM as the ex-date is near
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I took advantage on yesterday's slump, and i got pbbank at 9.60 yesterday, a big bargain.... hope next week will be great
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wow, good deal for these few days, but I think a bit high-leh, coz 52 wk high at 10.00/ low 6.10
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You talk like my remisier ..  rclxms.gif . Knowledgeable, .. so, it's it hard to ask her to sell the second batch rather than first batch? And when the right time to tell her? Anytime can?
If this happen, I'll get stuck to my old price of Takaful (1.48) .. the second batch (1.25) .. poor me for didn't know the rule ..  cry.gif .. looonggg time to wait ..  cry.gif or perhaps until the end of the year?

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I believe you are still confused!

Let say you bought 5 marbles at RM1.20,and another 2 at RM1,all the marbles are identical and once put into a container and with a bit of shaking and mixing,you won't be able to differentiate which is which anymore.When you wants to sell two marbles,you just take any two from the container and deliver.There will be five left.

No need to look for the two you bought at Rm1,which in any case is impossible to identify because when you put them in,the system don't permit you to tag the price onto the marble,


You see the point? there is no LIFO or FIFO here,whatever price you bought or sold is your own bookkeeping,it does not in anyway affect the physical stocks . smile.gif

The easiest way is to keep track of your cost is by weighted average method .

BTW,I'm a Remisier. brows.gif brows.gif

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Then the conclusion is I need to passed both the price I bought ... Huwaaa .. I'll broken to wait for this thing to reach it's peak .... 1.51(+0.3 to prevent lost)-1.25 = 26 cents to go .. kof kof kof .. doh.gif

Anyway, thanks for your info .. I wonder if someone just told me that we can sell the second batch rather than first batch .. who is him ya? Recalled back .. recalled back .. brows.gif brows.gif


P/s: Well guys .. We got remisier here, perhaps he can share something for our LYN stock syndicate .. thumbup.gif .. Sharing didn't hurt .. tongue.gif


Added on May 25, 2007, 2:09 pmRemisier .. from the way they write, it's the same thing, the same info, and can differentiate them from usual player .. brows.gif brows.gif

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Hey reminsier and fellow share players,
I heard that Transnasional(the bus shuttle service) is offering new shares.

Quite cheap tho 50cent. what do u all think?
I am a new player and heard that new share have VERY high chance of increasing during launch.




edit;:typo-

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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 25 2007, 02:06 PM)
Then the conclusion is I need to passed both the price I bought ... Huwaaa .. I'll broken to wait for this thing to reach it's peak .... 1.51(+0.3 to prevent lost)-1.25 = 26 cents to go .. kof kof kof ..  doh.gif

Anyway, thanks for your info .. I wonder if someone just told me that we can sell the second batch rather than first batch .. who is him ya? Recalled back .. recalled back ..  brows.gif  brows.gif
P/s: Well guys .. We got remisier here, perhaps he can share something for our LYN stock syndicate ..  thumbup.gif .. Sharing didn't hurt .. tongue.gif


Added on May 25, 2007, 2:09 pmRemisier .. from the way they write, it's the same thing, the same info, and can differentiate them from usual player ..  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Using the weighted average method,your cost will be

1.20 x 5 =6.0

1.00 x 2 =2.0

Total 8.0


Cost per lot is 8.0 /7 =1.1143



If both the two purchases are not paid yet,ie still within the T+3,then you can ask for settlement on LIFO basis.

Remisier is just another human being,no difference from other forumers. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(NicholasTan @ May 25 2007, 02:24 PM)
Hey reminsier and fellow share players,
I heard that Transnasional(the bus shuttle service) is offering new shares.

Quite cheap tho 50cent. what do u all think?
I am a new player and heard that new share have VERY high chance of increasing during launch.
edit;:typo-
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It's good to hold new shares after launching date for 1-3 days .. and don't be some of us here (including me) .. after days 2 .. it down slightly and near it's start price .. sweat.gif

P/s: But if you lucky enough, it'll increase up to the sky .. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(NicholasTan @ May 25 2007, 02:24 PM)
Hey reminsier and fellow share players,
I heard that Transnasional(the bus shuttle service) is offering new shares.

Quite cheap tho 50cent. what do u all think?
I am a new player and heard that new share have VERY high chance of increasing during launch.
edit;:typo-
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It depends on market condition, but right now, IPO premium is not impressive as last time. Normally new IPO come with one day frenzy only, up for the first day then faded away like Ogawa, Help etc.
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good to have a remisier here, welcome biggrin.gif
any good stocks you recommend....


Added on May 25, 2007, 2:50 pmstocks are recovering now, -10 points, hopefuly can see some green green

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The best stock now is CASH.


Added on May 25, 2007, 3:03 pmbreaking news....

Malaysia's Securities Commission raids Transmile's offices
KUALA LUMPUR (XFN-ASIA) - The Securities Commission (SC) has confirmed
that it raided the offices of Transmile Group Bhd on Tuesday.
A spokesperson for the SC declined to say why the raid was conducted, but
added that it was done in the interest of investors.
"I can only confirm that a raid was conducted but I cannot elaborate any
further," the spokesperson said, declining to say if the raid was connected
to Transmile's accounting irregularities.




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anybody bought JAK Resources? This share has a potential trading-buy. I bough and sold many times over and it is now moving again because they might win a lawsuit that their 10year contract on supplying pipes to Selangor will be reapproved. They also have turnaround the company from loss to profitable. recently bought at 0.70 and want to let go at 0.90
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JAKS.
Isn't it at 0.65 now. Pretty low tho. Not really confidence in JAKS


Added on May 25, 2007, 3:28 pmMaybe it will be better to keep cash till our reminsier suggest some good news wink.gif

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somebody recommended P Metal and it is really moving up 11cents.
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wow, good deal for these few days, but I think a bit high-leh, coz 52 wk high at 10.00/ low 6.10
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there is a concept of support and resistance. read bout it here http://www.investopedia.com/articles/technical/061801.asp

and stocks got lots of type:
a. slowly rise and seldom drop, pbbank
b. the one like misc, a few years ago, its rm 10, and then it drop a lot for few years, and after a few years, now still near rm 10
c. the one that rise and drop a lot in a year, the damm bjtoto

and this note is for the one who got some stock XYZ (i dont know what is it) 2 lot at rm 1.00 and 5 lots at rm 1.20

just to tell u, there is no such thing as batch, now u got total 7 lots, and u can sell it any order .

u can sell it like
sell 1 , sell 1, sell 1, sell 1, sell 1, sell 1, sell 1
or sell 2, sell 1, sell 2, sell 2
or in another couple of hunded of combination, it DOESNT matter.

the only things that matter is the break even price. and if u sell ur shares in fragments, its not a problem, but the break even price also increases for the rest of ur balance shares. cause i dont think a normal person will sell for a loss. and this calculation is based on brokerage 0.45(minimum rm 12) assuming u buy directly from market (not IPO, IPO no need brokerage and transaction cost to buy)

if u sell all 7 lots at rm 1.00, u lose RM 139.60
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if u sell all 7 lots at rm 1.10, u lose RM 69.63
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if u sell all 7 lots at rm 1.20, u profit RM 0.34
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Ur breakeven price is selling all 7lots at rm 1.20 (to the nearest 0.01 minimum bid) so that u wont suffer any lost.

and , i read earlier that u intend to sell 2 lots at rm 1.10, check this pic then, ur not profitting actually
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and i upload this for u to play around. Note: i am also the type that buy in fragments.

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For the theory of selling which batch mentioned, it is basically still the same, just you are 'fooling' or artifically 'cheating' yourself that you are making money. In the end of the day, your total return/loss still the same, nothing change.

As said, you need to look on your average purchase price or cost. It is the basic accounting, and also applied to those fund managers when calculating their return rate which is more fair and practical way to calculate.

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BUY P.METAL target price for selling RM2.50. currentlt RM1.65
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How do people usually keep track their profit or loss? Any simple method? I only jot profits in a notebook.
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put formula to calculate all the brokerage fees, remaining cash, percentage, and blah blah blah watever i wan...
and automatic retrieve latest price from the web for my portfolio, simple and easy..

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Hey guys, want to ask some noob questions.

Does buying IPO good? Profitable?

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It's profitable ... but perhaps you should keep an eye on the stock for 1-3 days .. on the first you can sell already .. it'll increase drastically .. brows.gif
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1. Consortium Transnasional is getting listed.
What do u think? All directors are malays

2.Alam Maritim plans bonus issue

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It's profitable ... but perhaps you should keep an eye on the stock for 1-3 days .. on the first you can sell already .. it'll increase drastically ..  brows.gif
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There're 10 IPO counters:

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Help International Corporation Bhd (7236 / HELP) 
Natural Bio Resources Bhd (7237 / NATBIO)
Zhulian Corporation Bhd (5131 / ZHULIAN)
Superlon Holdings Bhd (7235 / SUPERLN)
Ogawa World Bhd (5128 / OGAWA)
ATRIUM REIT (5130 / ATRIUM)
Melati Ehsan Holdings Bhd (5129 / MELATI)
Tejari Technologies Bhd (0140 / TEJARI)
Dufu Technology Corp. Bhd (7233 / DUFU)
H-Displays (MSC) Bhd (0139 / HDISPLY)


Should beginner or amateur like me focus on IPO first?

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Heard some share drop upon launching. How far true is it?
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very true, maybe " suay!" that moment I applied.

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It was called Equator @ 0.50 IPO price , now, only 0.11!!!!!
Business model was not impressive as it is on agricultural sector.
Learnt my lesson, luckily there are other profits to offset this.
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New IPO Help .. near to reach it's limit .. 0.80 .. now 0.85 .. only the launching day it up, then the next day down little by little .. doh.gif


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Should beginner or amateur like me focus on IPO first?
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I think so .. but, if you want a fast cash .. already can sold it on the first day .. 10 cents already in hand for 1 lot .. or perhaps more when you bought more .... brows.gif . But don't take some IPO like HELP .. it down a lot from it's peak price .. sweat.gif

P/s: Just get ready with your phone to call the remisier .. they will be so busy on that day .. sweat.gif

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There're 10 IPO counters:
Should beginner or amateur like me focus on IPO first?
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not recommended

do refer forumer cherroy's previous post
IPO is not as nice to play as last time
do some homework and observe the newly listed IPOs, eg. OGAWA, ZHULIAN and the recent one, HELP, their share price dropping and no significant up

you sure you still wan to invest on IPO shares?
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IPO?>
depends

if the company got someone behind, the price will go up
look out for Deleum Bhd brows.gif brows.gif

got somebody behind the company backing up
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as mentioned by someone before

now is really not a good time to list IPO

today list, tomorrow market down, you also follow down
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IPO?>
depends

if the company got someone behind, the price will go up
look out for Deleum Bhd  brows.gif  brows.gif

got somebody behind the company backing up
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Deleum Bhd? New company?
Sorry didnt hear b4.
When launching or when lauched? Good price?
Market dont seem to move much yawn.gif

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So, right now, IPO cannot buy, other shares also cannot buy because they are too high, then do what.....waiting for downturn-kah. So difficult to predict hmm.gif hmm.gif
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That's why .. today list .. today sell .. and today smile .. tongue.gif .

P/s: Got profit too what?
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Now I think IPO first day listed also will drop a bit, won't earn much due to current down trend in Bursa...
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IPO & Share investing should go con currently. I set up a fund around RM5000 for IPO. (how many lots to apply depends on price).

IPO is a total gain. Most of the share listed will list with premium but some not, so you need to be careful and read the prospectus well.

I kena most of the IPO. And I have one for the recent one - DELIUM.

You said HELP is not profitable. How about if I kena at RM0.80 and the first day trading I sold at RM0.95. Isn't it a RM0.15 gain for just sending the money for IPO (2 weeks).

Its all depends on luck.

Its even better you guys can buy from ESOS. Its even cheaper.
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pmetal? price up significantly. Any comments?
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QUOTE(wufei @ May 26 2007, 09:14 AM)
IPO & Share investing should go con currently. I set up a fund around RM5000 for IPO. (how many lots to apply depends on price).

IPO is a total gain. Most of the share listed will list with premium but some not, so you need to be careful and read the prospectus well.

I kena most of the IPO. And I have one for the recent one - DELIUM.

You said HELP is not profitable. How about if I kena at RM0.80 and the first day trading I sold at RM0.95. Isn't it a RM0.15 gain for just sending the money for IPO (2 weeks).

Its all depends on luck.

Its even better you guys can buy from ESOS. Its even cheaper.
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just wud like to know how much cheaper usually ESOS is compared to IPO?
Those datuks who are directors for IPOs , do they get to buy their own shares cheaper than IPO or same price?


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pmetal? price up significantly. Any comments?
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checked the historical chart and it appears to be on the uptrend since January. Rising gradually without much volatility. Also profitable. But this price @1.66 is the record for this 52 wk, want to grab but a little nervous.

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I thought ESOS is only offered to the employees of that particular company. Public can't buy the share with ESOS price.

I think the IPO price is only applicable to public investors. Institutional price should be lower. The director of the company, I think they no need buy, as they hold 100% share initially, and they decide how many share they want to sell to public.
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checked the historical chart and it appears to be on the uptrend since January. Rising gradually without much volatility. Also profitable. But this price @1.66 is the record for this 52 wk, want to grab but a little nervous.
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yo..target by the company people is RM2.50
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For IPO application, it is through balloting so if you are lucky then can get 1 or 2 lot, if not can't get totally, somehow like lucky draw since normally it will get overly subscribed.

Usually, on the first day of listing, the share will have at least some premium on it in order to look good on listing, but now not much about 10-20% maximum. (Last time 100-200% easily)
People talk about buying through IPO not when the first day listing like HELP and Ogawa, price is already up when listing so can't make any money anymore. This kind of share normally faded away on second day onwards and slowly drift lower since fund managers won't buy into this kind of share (low liquidity, small company) unless syndicate behind want to 'goreng' it. But think ahead, people want to 'goreng' it for you to make money? The new listing one, syndicate has no chance to 'collect' share at low price so the most is day trade or short term trade to make money through some differential price.

For those good, big company listing, it is a bit different since if prospect is good for the company, fund will come in to buy it for long term but sadly to say, recently or recent few years there are only a few of those kind of share listing. 80% of the new listing company is either be small scale businesses or Mesdaq type one. Ogawa or Help just isn't fund type of investment target.

There was a history of under-subscribed, famously known one, would be Time Dot Com, issued at Rm3.30, hugely undersubscribe (about 50% only), and listing time, below IPO price at about RM2.+, now only a few ten cents.

When a IPO overly subscribed, normally listing time will have at least some premium but if not fully subsbcribe then surely will open below IPO price.

For Reit listing, I suggest not buying through IPO since normally it will open below IPO price as Reit is not popular in Malaysia, not many people understand how it works, it is not as same as share but alike share. Trading Reit is about its yield and asset worth.

For ESOS, it is for company employee, which its price is normally calculated with a bit discount from the market average price, it is not mean for public.

Another point on IPO, normally instituitional price is a bit higher than retails price, not the other way.

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What does IPO and ESOS means? Is those two different from the normal bluechips?

And is Deleum open for IPO application or had closed?
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IPO is initial public offering means new share on the counter. u can order or rather going by luck to see whether u got the stock or not. it hasnt been out on the counter yet but will be in 2-3 weeks time.

ESOS is for employees of the particular company to apply. they'll be buying it at a cheaper rate.

both of these are not about bluechips.. bluechips are counters.. these are just process of acquiring bluechips


Deleum is closed already
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Deleum IPO was RM2.55 right?
What do u think the price of its launching? Heard it got about 40+ times oversubscribe. Good share tho. But got late news.

Maybe it will still be good to buy when it launch.
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if it's that good, no point buying when it got launched. better wait till it chills alil... common mistake ppl make is that they think since it's going up it'll continue to rise and they get caught there

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But since its over populated, many people wont be able to buy during application.

So they will buy when it launches. So when many people buy then, the price will increase.
Am i right?
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deleum ipo price of rm 2.55 is a bit expensive....
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But since its over populated, many people wont be able to buy during application.

So they will buy when it launches. So when many people buy then, the price will increase.
Am i right?
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first sentence: u meant oversubcribe? it is a matter whether u successful alloted or not..

2nd sentence: hard to tell. in msia, retail portion of allotment usually for thpse aims for quick buck..shareholders turnover is high


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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 25 2007, 10:21 PM)
BUY P.METAL target price for selling RM2.50. currentlt RM1.65
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thanks for the good tip. Bought few and doing well.
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What is the reason that the price of Pmetal will rise to RM2.50?
Insider infor? Or is it a scandal?



QUOTE(sharesa @ May 28 2007, 09:13 AM)
thanks for the good tip. Bought few and doing well.
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wondering why too but according to their shareholders record, the directors are buying in although at cheaper price than market.
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anybody in for Pmetal?
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Yup, volume extremely thin, may be because tonight most European bourses and US stock market is closed for Monday.

Market up little with thin volume, technically not so good.

China market is going crazy again, up more than 60 points, another new high 4250, almost everyday up more than 1% with no pull back at all.

Btw, Transmile being suspended today, may be got new development on the accounting issue?

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what you want to do? volume thins suc*s, the bear wake up, all bising-bising.

The bull runs all clap clap

Hai...life is so difficult.

My opinion :- Everyday go up up up where you want to get untung. Stock market is like that, Must have someone loss in stock market then only you will get profit. If not where is the profit comes from.?
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 28 2007, 09:31 AM)
What is the reason that the price of Pmetal will rise to RM2.50?
Insider infor? Or is it a scandal?
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 28 2007, 09:36 AM)
wondering why too but according to their shareholders record, the directors are buying in although at cheaper price than market.
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i am in...my friend are in as well...well is been news around....so is depend weather to buy or not to buy is up to you...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 28 2007, 10:54 AM)
Yup, volume extremely thin, may be because tonight most European bourses and US stock market is closed for Monday.

Market up little with thin volume, technically not so good.

China market is going crazy again, up more than 60 points, another new high 4250, almost everyday up more than 1% with no pull back at all.

Btw, Transmile being suspended today, may be got new development on the accounting issue?
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maybe becoz of the pending announcement from Bank Negara about the interest rate at 6.00pm..
very unlikely the Bank Negara will raise rate..
so lets see Bank Negara will maintain or cut the interest rate.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 28 2007, 12:01 PM)
i am in...my friend are in as well...well is been news around....so is depend weather to buy or not to buy is up to you...
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I'm also in. Let's hope for the best. biggrin.gif
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hand-in-hand......... whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 28 2007, 03:06 PM)
I'm also in. Let's hope for the best.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 28 2007, 03:10 PM)
hand-in-hand......... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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how much you guy bought?
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 28 2007, 03:15 PM)
how much you guy bought?
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I got 10k share @ 1.74 brows.gif
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 28 2007, 03:15 PM)
how much you guy bought?
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me 2k @1.66 late last Fri icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 28 2007, 09:31 AM)
What is the reason that the price of Pmetal will rise to RM2.50?
Insider infor? Or is it a scandal?
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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ May 28 2007, 12:01 PM)
i am in...my friend are in as well...well is been news around....so is depend weather to buy or not to buy is up to you...
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 28 2007, 03:06 PM)
I'm also in. Let's hope for the best.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 28 2007, 03:10 PM)
hand-in-hand......... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ May 28 2007, 03:48 PM)
I got 10k share @ 1.74  brows.gif
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 28 2007, 03:56 PM)
me 2k  @1.66 late last Fri icon_rolleyes.gif
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I'm looking for an escape from my loss in PERISAI doh.gif I'll take a closer look at this counter and most likely will move over to it ("jumping to another ship"). Let's hope us all the best icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW, it closes at RM 1.69 today... the price is not bad laugh.gif
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Transmile will be suspended until Thursday which is pending annoucement for the audit account issue. 4 days, kind of quite long.

Today is the lowest volume traded recorded for this year with only 6 hundred + millions shares. Other than that, nothing to talk about today market.

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ May 28 2007, 05:24 PM)
I'm looking for an escape from my loss in PERISAI doh.gif I'll take a closer look at this counter and most likely will move over to it ("jumping to another ship"). Let's hope us all the best icon_rolleyes.gif

BTW, it closes at RM 1.69 today... the price is not bad laugh.gif
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i ahve notice how it move....even the warrant also going up together...

they move by up a few sen drop a few sen to stable of the day...wait around 1 month and see..
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tday masuk ranhill 1.85 ...praying now
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tday masuk ranhill 1.85 ...praying now
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Good luck to you.

But remember 'goreng' basic theory
Buy on rumour, sell on new although got exception, hope this is an exception.

The ranhill news is really good for the company but whether it will materialise or not, another story.
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i buys based on news la..
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volume so low.....
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As now the share price is high for most of the counters. If I find one company always earning profit, is it worth to buy?

How to evaluate if the price is too high or reasonable?
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As now the share price is high for most of the counters. If I find one company always earning profit, is it worth to buy?

How to evaluate if the price is too high or reasonable?
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do your homework

compare the price up-and-down in the past 3 to 6 months
the longer the better, so you will know how well or how bad was it doing in the past

no quick bucks
unless you listen to rumours / follow behind ppl's back rolleyes.gif
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ranhill is a good share, though I sold mine earlier at 1.64, should have held on.

As I am a hit and run investor, I wonder what about you guys, usually hold or cabut after getting some profits?
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ May 29 2007, 11:06 AM)
As now the share price is high for most of the counters. If I find one company always earning profit, is it worth to buy?

How to evaluate if the price is too high or reasonable?
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Always earning is not enough , it must earn sufficiently to justify its share price aka simplest way is PE ratio although there are more complex way to evaluate.

But always remember, it is the forward or future PE (earning expectation) that will drive the share price not historical or past earning result. Having said that, histocial data may or can be used as reference how well the company performs or manage it business, the most important in stock market is about future aka 1-2 years ahead that matter.



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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 29 2007, 11:14 AM)
ranhill is a good share, though I sold mine earlier at 1.64, should have held on.

As I am a hit and run investor, I wonder what about you guys, usually hold or cabut after getting some profits?
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Sharesa, you are "hit & run", I am "Touch & Go"

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Sharesa, you are "hit & run", I am "Touch & Go"

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pmetal dropped a bit during opening but recovered back now. phew...cold sweat....almost wanted to cut lost.
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pmetal dropped a bit during opening but recovered back now. phew...cold sweat....almost wanted to cut lost.
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it is a game of those who got fund...u play contra bye bye tongue.gif
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looks like P metal is consolidating at this price range for a base to move forward, base on its historical chart, seems trending upwards. Just wondering what is the financial results for this quarter, I think it's not out yet. Anyway, Asia metal prices stocks are up, so quite safe.
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 29 2007, 11:45 AM)
it is a game of those who got fund...u play contra bye bye  tongue.gif
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I am "Touch & Go". But I have the funds to hold.
Sold my maybulk and got back RM30k.

haha biggrin.gif


Added on May 29, 2007, 12:02 pmHey guys, what happen to the edgedaily website?
Cannot access anymore. Is it because they are selling the papers now, they decided to scrap the website?

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WELLI is another goreng-able share?

noticed that its price is shooting up like rocket since past week
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 29 2007, 12:11 PM)
WELLI is another goreng-able share?

noticed that its price is shooting up like rocket since past week
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aiyo.....too late to touch now, otherwise become a tough & go situation. (wanted to enter last week)
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of course it is too late for now

price is going up like crazy edy

almost time for ppl to dump it laugh.gif
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anyone got any news y the volume so low compare to last month????
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anyone got any news y the volume so low compare to last month????
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for this one month, all the big news is about the "China stock market bubble bursting", even the housewife next door also knows about it.

In this case, people become wary and hesitate to buy, thus the low volume
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 29 2007, 11:16 AM)
Always earning is not enough , it must earn sufficiently to justify its share price aka simplest way is PE ratio although there are more complex way to evaluate.

But always remember, it is the forward or future PE (earning expectation) that will drive the share price not historical or past earning result. Having said that, histocial data may or can be used as reference how well the company performs or manage it business, the most important in stock market is about future aka 1-2 years ahead that matter.
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Cherroy,

Currently, most of the shares have a high PE. For example, PBBANK always earn profit and doing well, but I doubt the current price is worth to buy or not.
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wah.....china up 2%, looks like up, up & away
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ May 29 2007, 01:24 PM)
Cherroy,

Currently, most of the shares have a high PE. For example, PBBANK always earn profit and doing well, but I doubt the current price is worth to buy or not.
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Do you expect a market that already run up 30-40% still cheap? unless economy is running at full steam with 9-10% GDP growth, otherwise company earning won't able to match the pace the share price with increment of more than 30% per annum in order to stay at 'cheap' level.
The exception is for plantation stock that CPO is sky-rocket which will make the plantation earning improvement of more than 50% which has reflected into the plantation stock price like IOIcorp and KLK which its share had already up more than 50%.

Historically, over long term (20-30 years), stock market average return is about 10-18% per annum.

If PE is high then either the market is fully value or already expensive, you already answer your own question.

For sure, the market isn't cheap anymore but whether it is expensive or not, it depends on how well the economy will be in the next 1-2 year

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guys, need some opinion bout GUH. i dont know whether i should invest or not on this

in other news,nowadays its damm common to see call warrant with conversion ratio 10. in the old days (a year ago), because they set conversion ratio around 2 to 5, they suffer lots of lost.

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PUTRAJAYA, May 29 -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi expressed confidence today that the country's economic growth will not only meet the targeted rate of 6 percent for this year but also extend this momentum into 2008.

Some of the growth is being generated by the implementation of projects under the Ninth Malaysia Plan (9MP), which is already having a positive impact on construction and trading activities, he added.

The latest figures show that Malaysia's economic activities are encouraging, based on several prime economic indicators.

"Firstly, the GDP for the first quarter will show encouraging growth, with economic activities, especially in the construction sector, sustaining its positive growth from the fourth quarter of last year, while the services sector is also going strong, backed by increasing activities in the finance industry as well as tourism," Abdullah, who is also Finance Minister, said at the start of the first session of the annual Budget 2005 consultation meeting here.


Bank Negara will announce the first quarter economic data tomolo afternoon...
surely it will be a good data, if not then our PM is slaping himself.. rclxms.gif

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will the market glow in lights after the announcement on tomorrow?

*praying hard it will*
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will the market glow in lights after the announcement on tomorrow?

*praying hard it will*
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the data will release after the market close..
but our PM already give words about the good economic data..
most probably will have a green day tomolo..
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the data will release after the market close..
but our PM already give words about the good economic data..
most probably will have a green day tomolo..
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don't play too much on share market...later u gonna jump from KLCC baru tau biggrin.gif
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FKLI already anticipated a down today
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wow the china bank raise their interest rate to encourage their ppl to save their money rather than putting into the share market! sweat.gif

another sign!
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nothing yet seems to work in cooling off china's stock market...only one 'rumour' worked before - and that triggered off the february meltdown

looks like the china market's recovering from a 6% drop at the start of trading
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QUOTE(KingRichard @ May 30 2007, 10:10 AM)
nothing yet seems to work in cooling off china's stock market...only one 'rumour' worked before - and that triggered off the february meltdown

looks like the china market's recovering from a 6% drop at the start of trading
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only one 'rumour' worked before?

what was that, mind to share?
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capital gains taxes on stocks

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QUOTE(feralee @ May 29 2007, 11:56 PM)
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It is a crane supply company in support to oil & gas companies, it is aiming to list on the Main Board. News already stale. Lowest last Monday @1.20
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Do you expect a market that already run up 30-40% still cheap? unless economy is running at full steam with 9-10% GDP growth, otherwise company earning won't able to match the pace the share price with increment of more than 30% per annum in order to stay at 'cheap' level.
The exception is for plantation stock that CPO is sky-rocket which will make the plantation earning improvement of more than 50% which has reflected into the plantation stock price like IOIcorp and KLK which its share had already up more than 50%.

Historically, over long term (20-30 years), stock market average return is about 10-18% per annum.

If PE is high then either the market is fully value or already expensive, you already answer your own question.

For sure, the market isn't cheap anymore but whether it is expensive or not, it depends on how well the economy will be in the next 1-2 year
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If this is the case, do you mean that we better stay away from the share market now, and wait for another bear market, then only invest? I mean for new investor.

For those who are holding share now, I think they will continue holding it...
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china dropped today becoz govermnent impose tax on share gains again-ah.

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i just sold my 10k+ shares

feeling release now

kutip a bit, enough for me already

i quit the market for the meantime smile.gif
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include maybulk?
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QUOTE(sharesa @ May 30 2007, 11:31 AM)
china dropped today becoz govermnent impose tax on share gains again-ah.
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today because of increase in stamp duty on stock trades

but china market has gone up so much, that even 10-15% drop now also not big deal...of course will have impact all over the world

i expect a 10-15% correction before prices are cheap enough to go back in again

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it is good that China Gov. is doing something to cool down the frenzy, rather than a sudden burst out of the blue
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What happened to The Edge Daily? Close shop already?
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is china taking a break now? it is taking a ~250 points down....
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rest of the stock markets seem to be holding steady - only down about 1%

maybe they are already immune to china's ups and downs, unless the downtrend continues
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sad.gif y maybulk drop so much?? will go up kah?
die lar this time....

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sad.gif y maybulk drop so much?? will go up kah?
die lar this time....
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how much you bought?
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sad.gif y maybulk drop so much?? will go up kah?
die lar this time....
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good business model, strong fundamentals, impressive shareholders and good dividend yield - good stock, even if drops it will eventually go back up
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QUOTE(leekk8 @ May 30 2007, 11:23 AM)
If this is the case, do you mean that we better stay away from the share market now, and wait for another bear market, then only invest? I mean for new investor.

For those who are holding share now, I think they will continue holding it...
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It depends on individual risk appetide. Currently risk and reward ratio is not attractive for me personally. For example, another up potential 10%, drop potential 20-30%.

For long term investor that has hold the share for the last few year, continue holding still doing no harm to them since already making quite a lot even a drop of 30% still they are making money (more applicable for some good stock) also if holding some high divdend yield stock, the yield + capital appreciation surpass the interest of FD many many times.

If cannot afford to lose 20-30% or doesn't have plenty of holding power then not wise to invest aggressively in stock market currently, volatility will be high in the near term. Market hasn't got some meaningful correction apart from Feb28 which continously up until now. Be prepared some corrrection in near future.
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i bought at 3.6 lei.... sad.gif
shud have wait until now onli buy.

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i bought ranhill 1.85 now 1.65 cry also no tear out sad.gif

just bank in 8k to broker

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i bought ranhill 1.85 now 1.65 cry also no tear out sad.gif

just bank in 8k to broker
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you bought 4 lots?

now is not the right time to buy, imo
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i bought at 3.6 lei.... sad.gif
shud have wait until now onli buy.
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if you got funds, wait out the latest correction and buy more when price is lower to average out
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 30 2007, 02:57 PM)
you bought 4 lots?

now is not the right time to buy, imo
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lets it recover a bit...i masuk maybulk 3 biji later
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 30 2007, 02:51 PM)
i bought ranhill 1.85 now 1.65 cry also no tear out sad.gif

just bank in 8k to broker
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we have warn earlier. But its your own risk. You make the call.
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When is the lowest bottom ?
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never know when is the bottom, it's all a guess. Otherwise, superich now.
I believe this is a market knee-jerk reaction to the China saga. Prices seems recovering a bit, at least not falling like it happened on 27 Feb
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When is the lowest bottom ?
When can we buy ?
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Your guess is as good as ours. A lot of buyers are currently waiting for China to burst before they go in, this is to lessen the risk of bursting after they go in. Even if it doesn't burst, buyers are waiting for some kind of sign that China would slow down. At the moment, it's still a frenzy there with thousands of trading accounts opened everyday.

If you want to get a good idea of how much a stock can drop when a downturn happens, check out the trends on Feb 28 to Mar 1. There was a large hiccup there as most people thought China was bursting so a lot of people dumped their shares.

IF there was to be another of those hiccups, I believe that would be the main resistance before it rises again, if it doesn't rise after that point, it might be a free fall.

In other words, when the market falls and everyone is dumping their shares to unbelievable lows, that is when the buyers comes out with sharpened knives and a wet appetite.
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QUOTE(ts1 @ May 30 2007, 02:51 PM)
i bought ranhill 1.85 now 1.65 cry also no tear out sad.gif

just bank in 8k to broker
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ranhill is good share with many projects in the pipeline. Before, I held from Jan @1.30 & sold in May 1.64 before the announcement of project, now the value should be higher as u add in thier present & future earnings to the share value. Only be patient-lah.
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QUOTE(pooh88 @ May 30 2007, 03:21 PM)
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When can we buy ?
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seems that shanghai composite gonna close down 260+ pts, near the lows of the day; wondering whether this is going to be the long-awaited correction

i think our market should pull back to 1250-1270 pts for the short term if the correction continues, but that is about a 10% correction from our record high and could still go lower if more bad news surfaces

one silver lining though - the 2008 olympics is coming soon, so if there is a correction in china, it may not be a long-lasting one; hopefully our local stock market pulls back enough to make the stocks 'cheap' again

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QUOTE(KingRichard @ May 30 2007, 03:35 PM)
one silver lining though - the 2008 olympics is coming soon, so if there is a correction in china, it may not be a long-lasting one; hopefully our local stock market pulls back enough to make the stocks 'cheap' again
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I think this is one of the main problem or overly optimistic that cause market going crazy high. No doubt Olympics games will boost the domestic economy and also construction industry but whatever the reason it is still can't justify current over-valued China stock market.

Almost all said the market won't go down because of Olympic game, sound not quite logical, if stock price is expensive or over-priced then surely it will correct itself soon or later, just matter of time, it is almost identical excuse with 1997 Commonwealth game in Malaysia.

PS: History always prove that a real bottom only form when people lose hope on stock and less people want to be involved, that is the time stock is really cheap. With people still optimistic, it just means less people want to dump their stock so can't have 'cheap' 'cheap' price to grab.


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i do think maybulk fair value around 3.20 something.

rm 4 divided by 5 and multiplies by 4

if u notice, the extra higher price is from the speculator last day from EXdate jack UP.

i do think, its worth buying maybulk now (if can, i want to get at 3.20)
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ts1, u plan to buy maybulk at wut price??

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i want it at Rm3
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no!!!!!! More blood.....chance of the year
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how great if MAYBULK can go back to its lowest, which is 2.20

mid of last year, iiam biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 30 2007, 04:33 PM)
how great if MAYBULK can go back to its lowest, which is 2.20

mid of last year, iiam biggrin.gif
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shit, maybulk now 3.28
i want to buy at 3.24

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DONT BUY DONT BUY

Today got announcement at 6


Buy at your own risk.
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DONT BUY DONT BUY

Today got announcement at 6
Buy at your own risk.
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what annoucement, quick tell, only 5 min till market close
thx u
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what annoucement, quick tell, only 5 min till market close
thx u
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I think is KDNK figures (GDP)
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i bought at 3.6 lei.... sad.gif
shud have wait until now onli buy.
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when did u buy ur maybulk? 3.6 is a bit high, so how much do u paper lose?

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1Q GDP growth.

Although gov projected of a growth of 6% for the full year but with poor IPI and poor car sales as well as export doesn't grow as expected, a lot of economist projected 1Q will be in the region of 4.5-5.5%.
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I think is KDNK figures (GDP)
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pandai.................
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ts1, u plan to buy maybulk at wut price??
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chiak 3000 at 3.26 blush.gif


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u shud do some research 1st b4 dump those money..... imho

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May 30 (Bloomberg) -- Malaysia's economy grew at the slowest pace in five quarters as exports and manufacturing eased after demand for electronics from markets such as the U.S. faltered.

The $147 billion economy expanded 5.3 percent in the first quarter from a year earlier after gaining 5.7 percent in the fourth quarter, the central bank said in a statement in Kuala Lumpur. That's the slowest pace since the last three months of 2005. Economists in a Bloomberg survey had expected growth of 4.7 percent.

``With exports falling over the quarter and domestic demand showing few signs of picking up, the economy did not perform quite so well,'' said George Worthington, an economist at Thomson IFR in Sydney. ``Slower growth in manufacturing and wholesale and retail trade are the main culprits from the production side.''

Malaysia, among the world's top 20 trading nations, is feeling the impact of slowing growth in the U.S., which is curbing demand for goods such as Intel Corp. semiconductors and Dell Inc. notebook computers that are produced in Southeast Asia's third-largest economy. The U.S. is Malaysia largest overseas market, accounting for about a fifth of export sales.

The U.S. economy, the world's largest, grew at a 1.3 percent annual rate in the first quarter, the slowest pace in four years, after a slump in home building and a bigger trade deficit reduced growth, the Commerce Department said April 27.

Slowing Exports

Cooling global growth is also curbing other Asian electronics exporters. Singapore's shipments unexpectedly fell in April for the third time in five months. Taiwan's export growth slowed in April amid weaker U.S. demand. South Korea's economy faces risks from a U.S. slowdown, Deputy Finance Minister Cho Won Dong said May 17.

``Despite the moderation in external demand, the growth was sustained by strong domestic demand,'' central Bank Governor Zeti Akhtar Aziz told reporters in Kuala Lumpur. The central bank kept its 2007 economic growth forecast of 6 percent.

Manufacturing, which accounts for more than 30 percent of the economy, expanded 1.7 percent in the first quarter, compared with 4 percent in the fourth quarter. Exports of goods and services increased 1.9 percent, after gaining 5.2 percent the previous three months.

Malaysia's exports and industrial production fell in March from a year earlier as overseas demand faltered for electronics goods made by manufacturers such as semiconductor assemblers Malaysian Pacific Industries Bhd. and Unisem (M) Bhd. Exports declined in two of the first three months of 2007.

Production

Manufactured goods account for almost four-fifths of Malaysia's exports. Overseas sales, the biggest contributor to Malaysia's gross domestic product and economic growth, grew 1.1 percent in the first quarter, slowing from 11.5 percent a year earlier.

``Industrial production has been soft in the first three months due to a drop in external orders for electronic components coupled with a fall in crude oil production,'' said Joseph Tan, an economist at Standard Chartered Bank Plc in Singapore.

Mining dropped 1.1 percent in the first three months of 2007, compared with a 2.1 percent rise in the fourth quarter. Agriculture expanded 2 percent, slowing from 5.1 percent in the previous three months. Services added 9.6 percent in the first quarter, following an 8 percent rise.

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Malaysia's central bank kept its benchmark interest rate unchanged at 3.5 percent for a ninth straight meeting yesterday, refraining from cutting borrowing costs amid expectations economic growth will pickup.

The central bank forecast in March that Malaysia's $147 billion economy will expand 6 percent this year, helped by higher investment and government spending.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi is counting on higher government spending to bolster domestic demand amid easing exports. Abdullah has budgeted 200 billion ringgit ($59 billion) in development spending between 2006 and 2010 and on May 21 said more than 1 million civil servants will get a pay rise of as much as 42 percent.

The government will spend an additional 8 billion ringgit a year on the higher salaries and a doubling of cost of living allowances, helping boost growth by as much as 0.5 percentage point this year, Second Finance Minister Nor Mohamed Yakcop said May 22. He declined to say if the measures would help economic growth meet or exceed the 6 percent forecast this year.

Faster Pace

Growth may accelerate in each of the next three quarters this year, according to the Bloomberg survey. Still, full-year growth may still slow to 5.5 percent from 5.9 percent in 2006, according to the median of 18 economists' estimates.

``We're optimistic about stronger growth in the second half'' because more tourists will visit and government spending will pick up, said Lee Heng Guie, an economist at CIMB Investment Bank Bhd. in Kuala Lumpur.

Stronger growth and ``major improvements'' in the second half will more than make up for slower growth in the first six months, and the ``slight soft patch'' in the external environment will be countered by domestic demand, Nor said last week.


1st quarter GDP growth at 5.3%, not bad if compared to economist's estimate..


Added on May 30, 2007, 8:08 pmTrasmile's interim special audit report:

For financial year end 2006, profit before tax RM207 M become loss before tax of RM126 M
For financial year end 2005, profit before tax RM120 M become loss before tax of RM77 M

hoho, another limit down on friday liao...
annual report 2005 also got problem, how come the auditor didnt notice it tat time?

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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 30 2007, 07:51 PM)
1st quarter GDP growth at 5.3%, not bad if compared to economist's estimate..


Added on May 30, 2007, 8:08 pmTrasmile's interim special audit report:

For financial year end 2006, profit before tax RM207 M become loss before tax of RM126 M
For financial year end 2005, profit before tax RM120 M become loss before tax of RM77 M

hoho, another limit down on friday liao...
annual report 2005 also got problem, how come the auditor didnt notice it tat time?
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god, tranmil gonna plunged down again
i think the best description is "director makan duit"

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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 30 2007, 07:51 PM)
1st quarter GDP growth at 5.3%, not bad if compared to economist's estimate..
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So, it's confirmed that the GDP growth is 5.3%? It's actually very good considering other negative factors like US slowing-down market.

However, don't forget that Malaysia market is not really a fundamental-driven market. Rumour and speculation may emphasis the drop of GDP growth compared to previous years even if they are still positive ones.

So, anyone can give some conclusion about its impact to our KLSE or particular field of businesses? I'm too noob to give constructive comment tongue.gif

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I think the secondary news of Transmil caught my attention more than the GDP announcement. doh.gif


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at this hour, traders in US claim that many people are grabbing the cheaper shares (DOW down 38points), situation is unlike the 27 Feb sell-down, so maybe tomorrow could be a better day?
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at this hour, traders in US claim that many people are grabbing the cheaper shares (DOW down 38points), situation is unlike the 27 Feb sell-down, so maybe tomorrow could be a better day?
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the GDP announcement may be affected by Transmile's expose...sentiment tomorrow may be negative, especially if China continues to drop

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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 30 2007, 07:51 PM)
1st quarter GDP growth at 5.3%, not bad if compared to economist's estimate..


Added on May 30, 2007, 8:08 pmTrasmile's interim special audit report:

For financial year end 2006, profit before tax RM207 M become loss before tax of RM126 M
For financial year end 2005, profit before tax RM120 M become loss before tax of RM77 M

hoho, another limit down on friday liao...
annual report 2005 also got problem, how come the auditor didnt notice it tat time?
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The news is confirmed or not? if really true, then prepare another round of limit down. How come CEO can on leave at this time? Sound like plenty of issues behind. SC should be at least taking some action on it. Recently, KLSE is full of accounting irregularity company, Transmile, Wimem, Nscom director issue, etc, not a healthy sign especially Transmile which is a foreign investor target, also as index linked (though not as high weight as others still it is about top 30-40).

Currently Transmile issue is more important than GDP issue since if the irregularity is high then it might shatter a lot of investors confident in this market.

For macro-economic issue, most people already expected a much slower growth ahead. Also with more and more big and good company being privatised, macro-economic issue is not as important as last time, since the real economy of Malaysia is no longer best being represented by KLSE performance rather it is the individual company peformance and earning is more important to drive the share price. Look at TM, at 900+ point, TM's price is about 9.10-10.00, now KLSE CI is at 1300+, its share is at 10+ only.

With low volume and low activities in the local market, it much depends how the US closed tonight also tomorrow regional market performance. External factor and Transmile issue are current 2 big mover of the market.



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The news is confirmed or not?
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Yup I just confirmed it. Here's a copy of the report I got from OSK Bursa News.

TRANSMILE GROUP BERHAD (TGB OR COMPANY)

INTERIM REPORT ON SPECIAL AUDIT

On 4 May 2007, the Directors of the Company received a letter from the
Company's auditors, Messrs. Deloitte & Touche (D&T) stating that D&T was
unable to obtain the supporting documents from the management to satisfy D&T as
to the fairness of the trade receivables and related sales to 18 companies
identified by D&T. D&T also informed the Directors that they were unable to
obtain satisfactory supporting documents for purchases of property, plant and
equipment which amount was correspondingly credited to the unpaid balance owing
by the 18 companies identified by D&T.

As a result, the Board of Directors of the Company (?Board?) expressed its
concerns through the announcement dated 7 May 2007 as to the reliability of the
unaudited consolidated results for the financial year ended 31 December 2006
announced on 15 February 2007, in particular, the items highlighted by D&T.

On 7 May 2007, the Board appointed Moores Rowland Risk Management Sdn Bhd
(MRRM) to carry out a special audit on the issues mentioned above.
This announcement is made in view of the Board?s intention to maintain
transparency of the findings by MRRM.

1. FINDINGS OF SPECIAL AUDIT

On 25 May 2007, MRRM issued a first interim report on its findings, a copy of
which was submitted to the Securities Commission following a request by the
Securities Commission.

In the interim report, MRRM reported that:
· In the financial year ended 31 December 2006, invoices were issued and
recorded for purported services to 20 companies (comprising the 18 companies
identified by D&T and 2 additional companies identified by MRRM) totalling
RM333 million and representing 30% of the consolidated revenue stated in the
unaudited consolidated results announced on 15 February 2007. This may result
in an overstatement in the consolidated revenue by RM333 million;

· Based on the unaudited consolidated financial statements as at 31
December 2006, the trade receiveables from the above 20 companies totalled
RM236 million; and

· In the course of the special audit, MRRM also noted that in the
financial year ended 31 December 2005, invoices were issued and recorded for
purported services to 19 companies (including 17 of the 20 referred to above)
totalling RM197 million and representing 36% of the audited consolidated
revenue of the Company for the financial year ended 31 December 2005. This may
result in an overstatement in the consolidated revenue by RM197 million.

For the purposes of illustration based on the above findings, on the assumption
that TGB makes full provisions relating to the revenue recorded in respect of
the companies mentioned above, the unaudited consolidated profit before
taxation of the Company will be reduced by RM333 million for the financial year
ended 31 December 2006, from RM207 million profit before taxation to a loss
before taxation of RM126 million and the audited consolidated profit before
taxation of the Company will be reduced by RM197 million for the financial year
ended 31 December 2005 from a profit before taxation of RM120 million to a loss
before taxation of RM77 million.


The above illustration of the impact to profit before tax is subject to changes
that may arise from the on-going special audit and the statutory audit for the
financial year ended 31 December 2006 and does not take into account tax
implications.

The special audit by MRRM is still on-going in respect of the financial
statements arising from the above.


2. ON-GOING AUDIT

The Company wishes to highlight that the special audit of MRRM is presently
still on-going. Updates of any further material findings will be made in due
course.

In conjunction with the special audit, the Company will work towards finalising
the annual statutory audit of the financial statements of the Company for the
financial year ended 31 December 2006. With the findings of MRRM, the audited
financial statements of the Company for the financial year ended 31 December
2006 are likely to include prior year adjustments.

3. OPERATIONAL FRAMEWORK

The Board has instituted the following:

(a) A formation of an Executive Committee (?Exco?) which assumes the
authority of the Chief Executive Officer, arising from governance issues
relating to the release of the announcement on the unaudited consolidated
results for the financial year ended 31 December 2006, dated 15 February 2007
by the Board. The Executive Committee will be chaired by Mr Kuok Khoon Ho, and
will comprise two other members of the Board, namely, Tan Sri A. Razak bin
Ramli and Datuk Abu Huraira bin Abu Yazid. All of the Directors on the Exco
are non-executive Directors of TGB;

(b) The appointment of Mr Ong Teng Ping as the acting Chief Financial
Officer. Mr Ong has been seconded from Chem Quest Sdn Bhd (a subsidiary of PPB
Group Berhad), where he is a Director and the Group General Manager; and

(C) On-going review of the systems to strengthen operations and internal
controls of TGB and its subsidiaries (?TGB Group?).

4. CONTINUITY OF BUSINESS

The TGB Group is keen to ensure the continuity of its business in providing
express air cargo transportation services comprising international express
freight services, chartering of aircraft, aircraft leasing and general freight
services. The other services that are provided by the TGB Group include
aircraft ground handling, aircraft maintenance, supply of aircraft parts,
equipment and warehousing. In this respect, the TGB Group is presently
actively engaging various stakeholders for its businesses including its
principal customers, who are multinational cargo integrators, freight
forwarders and courier companies, as well as its bankers, its shareholders and
regulators, through appropriate channels.

The TGB Group has in excess of 600 people with 49 managerial staff. It has its
operational head office at Subang Airport and corporate head office in
Damansara Heights.

The Board is confident that the day-to-day business and service levels of the
TGB Group will remain uninterrupted with the help of Group Chief Operating
Officer, Robert Hyslop and the management team. With its landing rights and
fleet of aircraft, the TGB Group is expected to continue to benefit from its
niche within the express air cargo transportation market by providing its
express air cargo transportation services.

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Wow, what a news, hopefully nobody in this forum is involved in its shares!
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This is not good, may a double limit down then.

The plus side (or can call the last card) is at least the largest shareholder may want to 'rescue' the company mainly because of its landing right and business still rather intact also they are in the same 'boat' with the minority shareholders to protect their interest in the company.

If not, with this kind of news, the share can easily down to become penny stock already. If limit down, then it might as well affect the index at least few points.

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Good 2x limit down. i am parking at RM 7.50
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DOW is climbing up steadily. I hope counters other than the sensational TRANSMILE will not drop later when the market opens smile.gif

OH ya, PMETAL is not performing as expected. Luckily I didn't rush-in two days ago. I planned to swap my 2 biji of PERISAI with 1 biji of PMETAL but after considering that PERISAI was at one of its lowest, and also the management fees, I decided to sit and wait.

I bought my 2 biji of PERISAI at RM0.950 but it's hanging around the RM0.880 mark cry.gif Any recommendation from sifus? I think I still can wait longer or even make it as my long term investment.
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as i said earlier, transmile release from jail but another arrest coming up....i just run out of bullet to buy transmile if hovering ard RM5 tongue.gif
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Dow Jones has a nce bound of up more than 100points, should boost the regional market as well, expect 10+ points rebound of KLSE, anything less than that, will be very dissapointing.

Transmile will only resume trading on Friday, may be below RM5, 2x limit down, will consider as short term trading target, call me a bit greedy tongue.gif

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Dow Jones has a nce bound of up more than 100points, should boost the regional market as well, expect 10+ points rebound of KLSE, anything less than that, will be very dissapointing.

Transmile will only resume trading on Friday, may be below RM5, 2x limit down, will consider as short term trading target, call me a bit greedy  tongue.gif
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lol I think this is should be the first time I heard cherroy proposing a short term buy, am I right? laugh.gif

When a fundamentalist tells you this, you should better make good note on it.

Personally I think TRANSMILE will be going down even after 2x limit down due to its momentum and maybe some panic and short selling for those who want to escape (while they can) although it's already too late for its shareholders to do so sweat.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 31 2007, 08:43 AM)
Dow Jones has a nce bound of up more than 100points, should boost the regional market as well, expect 10+ points rebound of KLSE, anything less than that, will be very dissapointing.

Transmile will only resume trading on Friday, may be below RM5, 2x limit down, will consider as short term trading target, call me a bit greedy  tongue.gif
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wow, below RM5

i am tempted to join in the short term too biggrin.gif

and today's market seems green, a good sign nod.gif
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lol I think this is should be the first time I heard cherroy proposing a short term buy, am I right? laugh.gif

When a fundamentalist tells you this, you should better make good note on it.

Personally I think TRANSMILE will be going down even after 2x limit down due to its momentum and maybe some panic and short selling for those who want to escape (while they can) although it's already too late for its shareholders to do so sweat.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 31 2007, 09:15 AM)
wow, below RM5

i am tempted to join in the short term too biggrin.gif

and today's market seems green, a good sign  nod.gif
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Once awhile also speculate a bit, tongue.gif but just for short term bounce only, not mean for lon term keeping.

Today although green, market is rather weak, not much buying activities. Generally market is like a dead water.
If not some buying of 1 lot (100 shares) on TNB, TM, Maybank and other index linked heavy weight, CI might as well only up 1-3 points only. If you notice the market, there are plenty of buying of 1 lot to make the CI looks good especially when market is quiet time like currently situation since the CI is computed based on the last done transaction price.

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Yeah volume is still low compared to past 2 days. By now on average it should be reaching at least 250k to 300k vol. sad.gif
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china down again but regional markets holding on to their gains...malaysian market as usual dead in the water, no one playing yawn.gif

still waiting for the big fall brows.gif
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Hi i m new here but been follow this thread for sometime... just wondering shd i hold pmetal or just sell it... it seems not as good as expected..i bought it at RM 1.72...sad.gif
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Transmile will only resume trading on Friday, may be below RM5, 2x limit down, will consider as short term trading target, call me a bit greedy  tongue.gif
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haha, cherroy also speculate, big news..!
lets see if the morning limit down got bounce back anot..
if the price stick at RM6.25 at the whole morning
then maybe another limit down at the afternoon... sweat.gif

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better sell some index link shares..transmile may pulled down entire market
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maybulk already kena pull down
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QUOTE(cksing7 @ May 31 2007, 10:46 AM)
Hi i m new here but been follow this thread for sometime... just wondering shd i hold pmetal or just sell it... it seems not as good as expected..i bought it at RM 1.72...sad.gif
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I believe u shud hold if your funds permit. Their net profit for this quarter increased about 4 folds as well as metal prices has gone up due to higher demand from China and other countries for construction.
Well, at the end of the day, its ur money. I am still holding though bought @1.66
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Hi i m new here but been follow this thread for sometime... just wondering shd i hold pmetal or just sell it... it seems not as good as expected..i bought it at RM 1.72...sad.gif
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maybe wait for a while first if you can hold - if it goes down significantly can buy some more to average down your holdings

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maybulk already kena pull down
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i tempted to buy again..not now..maybe tomolo..just hv to sell some shit counters..n chiak maybulk tomolo... tongue.gif

frm i can see now, 3 is ideal tongue.gif

*i makaned yday 3.26 also sad.gif *
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i tempted to buy again..not now..maybe tomolo..just hv to sell some shit counters..n chiak maybulk tomolo... tongue.gif

frm i can see now, 3 is ideal  tongue.gif

*i makaned yday 3.26 also  sad.gif *
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hai... shud sell tat day when reach 3.68 highest.
cos i never expect counter like maybulk can drop 50 cents in one week.
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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 31 2007, 10:54 AM)
haha, cherroy also speculate, big news..!
lets see if the morning limit down got bounce back anot..
if the price stick at RM6.25 at the whole morning
then maybe another limit down at the afternoon...  sweat.gif
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if morning open straight away limit down at Rm6.25 then high chance in the afternoon will plunge somemore, not very wise to grab at this price yet. Just my personal view, I might be wrong.

The cover up amount is so huge, some more already 2 years old which more and less will affect the entire market currently. Now people wonder their invested company is reporting the true figure or not, though most are reporting fair and accurate number but you just can prevent people raising their suspicous way of thinking.

Btw, Posholding being sold off because of large shareholding in Transmile.

Maybulk, may be because of 'Kuok' link into it and peole take excuse to lock in profit which has up almost non-stop for the past month.

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KLCI might take another dip in the red today as not many buyers in the market. There doesn't seem to be enough good news to pull the crowd back in to the market. It can be said that investor confidence are at a low point at the moment.

By the way, Maybulk is getting cheaper maybe because of Transmile, since Robert Kuok also involved.
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just wondering since everyone is talking about transmile: is anyone looking at Pos Malaysia?

taking a beating with the transmile issue, since it's second largest shareholder, but it is operating in a virtual monopoly with increasing profits and being debt-free, and with RM 1.50 capital repayment to boot; luckily they have decided not to equity account the Transmile profits otherwise they too may have to restate their earnings

Khazanah and Aberdeen Asset are still quietly increasing their shareholdings...

possible play?
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KLCI might take another dip in the red today as not many buyers in the market. There doesn't seem to be enough good news to pull the crowd back in to the market. It can be said that investor confidence are at a low point at the moment.

By the way, Maybulk is getting cheaper maybe because of Transmile, since Robert Kuok also involved.
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well, i waiting for opp to grab some from panic sellers...see how the mkt perform later, need reload bullet if not tomolo cheap also no use........ tongue.gif

if shanghai drops again tomolo, it will b 3 straight day dropped, i wonder next monday would b magic drool.gif
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QUOTE(KingRichard @ May 31 2007, 11:21 AM)
just wondering since everyone is talking about transmile: is anyone looking at Pos Malaysia?

taking a beating with the transmile issue, since it's second largest shareholder, but it is operating in a virtual monopoly with increasing profits and being debt-free, and with RM 1.50 capital repayment to boot; luckily they have decided not to equity account the Transmile profits otherwise they too may have to restate their earnings

Khazanah and Aberdeen Asset are still quietly increasing their shareholdings...

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Wouldn't the Transmile loss, indirectly affect the balance sheet of POS Malaysia? Since it has a share of the profits as well.

POSHLDG drop 5% so far.

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Wouldn't the Transmile loss, indirectly affect the balance sheet of POS Malaysia? Since it has a share of the profits as well.
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share of results from associated comp ...may be to do readjustment lagi tongue.gif
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Wouldn't the Transmile loss, indirectly affect the balance sheet of POS Malaysia? Since it has a share of the profits as well.

POSHLDG drop 5% so far.
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POSHLDG already in top 10 losers of the day

My maybulk kena pawned, -0.04 cent drop is no big deal, saya masih boleh tahan.
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POSHLDG already in top 10 losers of the day

My maybulk kena pawned, -0.04 cent drop is no big deal, saya masih boleh tahan.
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good fundamental comp, i dun care..fund mgr will pick it up later again... tongue.gif
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share of results from associated comp ...may be to do readjustment lagi  tongue.gif
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they have already decided not to account for the profits last two quarters (maybe they know something we don't hmm.gif ) so no need to worry about any restatement

now the only affect is dimunition in value of their investment (think their average cost is about RM6/share); means the likelihood of a second capital repayment is less (postulated that they might sell the Transmile stake to fund a second repayment in the future)

maybe if they take another bashing over the next few days it'll be too cheap to ignore brows.gif

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transmile management has been taken over by Kuok group and pos malaysia. Haha Gan Boon Aun , CEO of Transmile is in very very deep shit.

Haih typical chinaman way of doing business, do not know even how to keep financial records properly.
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transmile management has been taken over by Kuok group and pos malaysia. Haha Gan Boon Aun , CEO of Transmile is in very very deep shit.

Haih typical chinaman way of  doing business, do not know even how to keep financial records properly.
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However there are a lot of foreign investors still investing in it. Is there somethign that they know and we don't know?


Name : Capital Group International, Inc.
Address : 333, South Hope Street 55th Floor, Los Angeles CA 90071, United States of America
NRIC/Passport No/Company No. : N/A
Nationality/Country of Incorporation : United States
Descriptions(Class & nominal value) : Ordinary shares of RM1.00 each

Date of Change No of shares Price Transacted(RM) Transaction type
18/05/2007 1,760,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 111,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 860,500.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 20,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 91,400.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 50,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 16,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 7,300.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 31,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 49,800.000 10.026 Acquired
21/05/2007 78,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 21/05/2007 605,800.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 14,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 64,400.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,800.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 46,200.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 11,200.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,500.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 22,300.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 44,500.000 10.367 Acquired
1,239,300.000 10.309 Acquired



Got this from Bursa news.

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transmile management has been taken over by Kuok group and pos malaysia. Haha Gan Boon Aun , CEO of Transmile is in very very deep shit.

Haih typical chinaman way of  doing business, do not know even how to keep financial records properly.
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maybe he knows a lot...too bad there were whistleblowers rclxms.gif

wonder how the 2005 statements were passed by the auditors then hmm.gif

some corruption involved again? this year didn't get paid enough to keep quiet icon_question.gif
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However there are a lot of foreign investors still investing in it. Is there somethign that they know and we don't know?
Name : Capital Group International, Inc.
Address : 333, South Hope Street 55th Floor, Los Angeles CA 90071, United States of America 
NRIC/Passport No/Company No. : N/A
Nationality/Country of Incorporation : United States
Descriptions(Class & nominal value) : Ordinary shares of RM1.00 each 

Date of Change No of shares Price Transacted(RM) Transaction type
18/05/2007 1,760,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 111,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 860,500.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 20,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 91,400.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 50,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 16,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 7,300.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 31,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 49,800.000 10.026 Acquired
21/05/2007 78,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 21/05/2007 605,800.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 14,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 64,400.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,800.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 46,200.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 11,200.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,500.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 22,300.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 44,500.000 10.367 Acquired
1,239,300.000 10.309 Acquired
Got this from Bursa news.
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were these transacted in market price or no price stated? If no price means got the special price-la.

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QUOTE(KingRichard @ May 31 2007, 11:42 AM)
maybe he knows a lot...too bad there were whistleblowers  rclxms.gif

wonder how the 2005 statements were passed by the auditors then  hmm.gif

some corruption involved again? this year didn't get paid enough to keep quiet  icon_question.gif
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u meant external auditors take money from them hahahaa biggrin.gif
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u meant external auditors take money from them hahahaa  biggrin.gif
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ya lor...how do you explain the external auditors passing 2005 accounts when the special audit team found similar problems over last two years?

on a different note: although investor confidence is shattered by the accounting issues at TGB, as long as the fundamentals are good investors will slowly come back to it as long as the company remains transparent

i mean if they didn't overstate the revenue by RM300m it would have still gained 20% YoY - still showing growth, but now everything gone

hopefully things can only get better from now on

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However there are a lot of foreign investors still investing in it. Is there somethign that they know and we don't know?

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The announcement of suspicion of accounting irregularities was made on 7/5/07. The price dropped from RM13 to RM9 on the 8/5/07. The prices which those companies bought was little over RM9.5 - RM10.5 according to my charts.

Maybe they were betting that the accounts will not be as bad, as they were no other indication of what it is before yesterdays news. They might be crying now for all you know. If they did know something before hand, they would've waited until this report is out and for Transmile share to drop even more as to buy even more shares at cheaper prices.

In my opinion, I think they just got burned. rclxms.gif

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ya lor...how do you explain the external auditors passing 2005 accounts when the special audit team found similar problems over last two years?
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special audits..engagement is based on specific class of account..such as ac receivables ..testing usually very high ...high impact biggrin.gif

financial audits by External auditors.covers all classes of accounts..BS, PL N equity
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The announcement of suspicion of accounting irregularities was made on 7/5/07. The price dropped from RM13 to RM9 on the 8/5/07. The prices which those companies bought was little over RM9.5 - RM10.5 according to my charts.

Maybe they were betting that the accounts will not be as bad, as they were no other indication of what it is before yesterdays news. They might be crying now for all you know. If they did know something before hand, they would've waited until this report is out and for Transmile share to drop even more as to buy even more shares at cheaper prices.

In my opinion, I think they just got burned.  rclxms.gif
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Quite true, no one expected that worse. Only the CEO and company insiders, may be as well as the auditor knew.

Some may not realised that running a fund to invest is different using your money to invest. When the fund accepted the money from public through unit trust or mutual fund, they needs to look for investment target, they simply cannot have the cash to sit at the sideline, it is their obligation to invest. The most they can do is to allocate a portion into cash but cannot more than about 30% cash, otherwise if market went up and your fund not participate into it then high chance you will be fired. Fund manager used benchmark to quantify their performance, so they are not scare the market to go down (not their money anyway) as long as they perform better than the benchmark indices then they are considered good and well perform already.
Also, with other already expensive, fund managers may allocate some portion buying it as a bet that the share will rebounds back after the irregularity is cleared up. It might be a hedge fund as well.


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kospi looks like it's gonna go past 1,700 pts...i remember the time that the klci was higher than kospi cry.gif

goes to show how 'vibrant' our market is...
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better sell some index link shares..transmile may pulled down entire market
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TRANMIL drop RM2 = KLCI drop about 1 pts..
so doesn't need to worry TRANMIL will bring down the entire market..
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even thou this friday is tranmil resume trading day, its also delium listing date, i think the investor r more interested with delium more
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don't play play with China, the bubble continue to grow sweat.gif
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TRANMIL drop RM2 =  KLCI drop about 1 pts..
so doesn't need to worry TRANMIL will bring down the entire market..
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even thou this friday is tranmil resume trading day, its also delium listing date, i think the investor r more interested with delium more
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Ready bullet for transmil

And delium will be listed. I wonder can get how much premium from it.


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QUOTE(lipkhin @ May 31 2007, 02:41 PM)
China SSEC:
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11.30am : 4020 pts
02.30pm : 4130 pts

don't play play with China, the bubble continue to grow sweat.gif
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chinese are more hardcore...stamp duty increase means nothing. one or two time deal only ma...buy and sell kena stamp duty charge! shakehead.gif

they took the chinese gov announcement as a dip, then full force buy more. flex.gif

hahaha... unless theres a big catastrophy happening, nothings gonna burst the china bubble soon. everyone so hard core risk takers there...

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Ready bullet for transmil

And delium will be listed. I wonder can get how much premium from it.
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get ready my MULTI-MILLION penyapu!!! cool2.gif
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sell somemore cukup buy transmile liao
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JP Morgan , Kuok group and a lot of foreign investors are investing in it, do you think if it goes as low as say rm7, it is a good deal?



Malaysia's securities watchdog said Friday it raided the offices of major cargo carrier Transmile earlier this week to probe accounting irregularities.

The Securities Commission said in a statement that it entered Transmile premises as it "is investigating Transmile for possible irregularities in their accounts."

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A spokeswoman for the Securities Commission had earlier Friday said the raid was conducted in investors' interests.

Transmile's executive director Khiudin Mohd Bidin declined to comment on the raid.

Transmile, which has a swathe of prominent investors, said earlier this month it had failed to meet the deadline to submit audited financial statements for 2006.

The announcement shocked investors, and Transmile shares have since fallen sharply, losing 31.5 percent from 13.00 ringgit before its announcement, to close Friday at 8.90 ringgit.

Transmile's shareholders include Malaysia's richest man Robert Kuok, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, the Singapore government and national postal company Pos Malaysia.

The cargo firm told the Malaysian bourse on May 7 that the audit could not be finalised due to the absence of "relevant supporting documentation from the management on certain transactions."

The transactions concerned its trade receivables and related sales, and additions to its property, plant and equipment assets.

The company also appointed a risk management firm to conduct a special audit and said it it would try to finalise its financial statements for its annual shareholders meeting in the second half of June.

Many analysts have cut their recommendations on Transmile and blamed the lack of communication from the firm's management for the downgrades.

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isn't Transmile very risky bet? It's almost like in the twilight zone. Unless u are auditing urselves. Maybe u guys want some kick?
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QUOTE(cky80 @ May 31 2007, 03:18 PM)
chinese are more hardcore...stamp duty increase means nothing. one or two time deal only ma...buy and sell kena stamp duty charge!  shakehead.gif

they took the chinese gov announcement as a dip, then full force buy more.  flex.gif

hahaha... unless theres a big catastrophy happening, nothings gonna burst the china bubble soon. everyone so hard core risk takers there...

rclxub.gif
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China market currently is as same sa building pyramid, people buy because expect the next day will be someone to buy from him/her with higher price. Just like building a pyramid scheme. That's why people rushing into it since got easy money as same as people always like to participate into those pyramid scheme that earn 1-3% per day. The China market also the same rising everyday 1-2%.
With this kind of building pyramid process, it cannot sustain forever, it will burst in one day, if followers stop pouring money into the market.
Until the bubble burst or the pyramid building process collapse, still people has high hope on the market. If there is a rebound people then still hopeful but when market turn south rather than rebound, this is when people starting to lose hope then bubble start to burst or shrinking fast.

For Transmile issue, don't recommend for long term investment currently, more suit for hit and run.
I knew it is risky, just for some speculation fun with small bet not mean for serious money into it.

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what would be the re-opening price for TRANSMIL tomorrow? hmm.gif
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but while transmile's share price will remain volatile in the short-term, as long as the business fundamentals do not change and major shareholders are committed to ensure transparency in the company's financial reports eventually shareholder confidence will return

i think it is a good bet for the long-term; that's probably why the major shareholders are not cashing out yet, and some funds are buying into it
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finally things are turning green, tomorrow shud be a good day
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but while transmile's share price will remain volatile in the short-term, as long as the business fundamentals do not change and major shareholders are committed to ensure transparency in the company's financial reports eventually shareholder confidence will return

i think it is a good bet for the long-term; that's probably why the major shareholders are not cashing out yet, and some funds are buying into it
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The problem is until the fully audited account being revealed, no one knows how much should be company being valued at. RM6.50/share, Rm8.00/share, nobody knew, that's why the share price struggling to find a footing, it is up to anyone guess or speculate currently, may be company is 'kosong' one? who knows, even its number of fleets also not accurate, so large aeroplane also cannot count?

I am more conservative, for long term investing, I would like to know what am I buying and the expectation of return, valuation point, PE, NTA, dividend yield, profit margin of the company etc. That's why personally rate it as for speculation purposes, no doubt about its business still rather intact but no one know how its financial situation currently.
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i sold my MAYBULK 2 days ago

i would be buying it again if it is gonna touch 2.50
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were these transacted in market price or no price stated? If no price means got the special price-la.
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the transaction price already stated there wat?

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Name : Capital Group International, Inc.
Address : 333, South Hope Street 55th Floor, Los Angeles CA 90071, United States of America
NRIC/Passport No/Company No. : N/A
Nationality/Country of Incorporation : United States
Descriptions(Class & nominal value) : Ordinary shares of RM1.00 each

Date of Change No of shares Price Transacted(RM) Transaction type
18/05/2007 1,760,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 111,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 860,500.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 20,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 91,400.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 50,800.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 16,000.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 7,300.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 31,700.000 10.026 Acquired
18/05/2007 49,800.000 10.026 Acquired
21/05/2007 78,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 21/05/2007 605,800.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 14,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 64,400.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,700.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,800.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 46,200.000 10.400 Disposed
21/05/2007 11,200.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,500.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 5,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 22,300.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 35,100.000 10.309 Acquired
21/05/2007 44,500.000 10.367 Acquired
1,239,300.000 10.309 Acquired
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the transaction price already stated there wat?
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but while transmile's share price will remain volatile in the short-term, as long as the business fundamentals do not change and major shareholders are committed to ensure transparency in the company's financial reports eventually shareholder confidence will return

i think it is a good bet for the long-term; that's probably why the major shareholders are not cashing out yet, and some funds are buying into it
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Just how good are Transmile fundamental?

Advance warning from RAM in 2005, about the time gourmet chefs start cooking the books.

http://www.ram.com.my/custom.cfm?name=press.cfm&id=1194

"RAM reaffirms AA3/P1 ratings of Transmile Air Services' RM150 million CP/MTN, maintains negative rating outlook".

To highlight the crucial elements in his report:
a) The change in outlook is premised on the Company's weaker balance sheet and debt-servicing ability due to its expansion plan and heightened business risks. As at 30 June 2005, the Company's total debt and net gearing ratio stood at RM1,040.90 million and 2.17 times, respectively, compared to RM327.73 million and 0.52 times as at the end of FYE 31 December 2004. The additional borrowings have been utilised by the Company to fund the purchase of 4 new aircraft, i.e. MD-11s, in tandem with its plan to extend its intra-regional (or short-haul) air-cargo transportation services to the long-haul section.
b) Transmile's gearing ratio is projected to remain high at about 1.0 throughout the tenure of the CP/MTN. The heavier debt burden has also somewhat weakened Transmile's debt-servicing ability; its operating cashflow debt coverage ratio is now expected to average at 0.20 times compared to the previous minimum of 0.60 times.
c) Although RAM is cognisant of the tremendous business opportunities offered by the Asia-Pacific routes, it is also noted that competition is stiff. At this point, it is premature to conclude whether Transmile will be able to secure sufficient and sustainable loads for its new aircraft in order to generate returns from its investment.
d) RAM highlights that the MD-11s boast a capacity of 90 tonnes each, i.e. 4.5 times larger than the 20 tonnes of the Company's intra-regional aircraft. Meanwhile, Transmile's profit margins are seen to narrow following the capacity expansion as profit margins from long-haul routes are generally lower. e) Going forward, the Company's operating profit before depreciation, interest and tax ("OPBDIT") margin, which has historically ranged around 28% - 34%, is expected to come in at 25% - 30%.



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