Blizzard says they are going to retain the 3 races and nothing else. That means the triangle war continues! Are the races still balanced this time? We shall see...

Actually, that's what im trying to say. They play CNC3 because their chances to win is higher. They cant play SC and WC which is older and have 10x more player base than any other games. SC and WC3 is very competitive. Every year we'll hear new pro coming to the scene. For those quite new in WC3,
"Long time ago before the age of sky and far bfore the reign of orc Emperor Grubby, a Human called Insomnia rule this world".
Ok enough joke, what im trying to say is dont compare the competitive WC3 scene with Malaysian WC3 scene where Paulyan won wcg 5 yr straight.

There's player called kenshin.WERRA who quits WC3 and play SC because he wants challenge.This is true GOSU.

Why SC gosus are different from other games gosus?
First, all 10++ members of 7++ teams in starleague are professional. What i mean by professional is they play for food. They play 10++ hours per day to achieve perfection(a genius cant excecute his strat  without skill). They dont win they dont eat. They gave up other responsibilities in their life(time, college) to become a professional gamer.

Ok, that's for those who play in Starleague. But these days there are new rule which says you cant compete in Starleague if you're not a progamer. So now progamer is a given title. So even if they play for food they're still not progamer without recognition and Starleague is a no. In korea there are lots of these progamer without recognition. Ppl said to qualify in Korean WCG qualifier is harder than winning WCG grand final itself.

Let say Dawn of War for example, how many top 30 ladder player are progamer?I think most of them are hardcore player that plays for fun and happens to be good at it.

Thats why i said other RTS besides SC and WC3 dont have any gosu. They cant set a standard for their game like SC and WC3 pro did. In my opinion its not blizzard that made SC such a perfect game. Its the gosus that create the balance. Blizzard just implement it with every patch.
TBH im not so sure wether most of those koreans will go SC2 or they will remain with  SC. SC2 can become the next CS:source you know.

I remember one of our dear forummers seem to object the idea of SC2... probably out of fear that it would become the next CS:Source like you said..

Hopefuly it won't. I had enough of games that is only great at the beginning. The rest of it's expansion / sequel spoils the original games...

Hm.. they might be able to release this game sooner than expected.. though I don't hope it to be really that sooner... dun wan this game to be unoptimized and inbalance...

I was hoping for at least the zerg/protoss hybrid faction or Xel'Naga to be included. I guess Blizzard could still surprise us down the road.
That ability is standard in all 3D RTS games.

edwin3210,

Boy stop being retard here. You are ultimately spamming this thread. No matter how I still talk something relate to SC2, but you, simply fill in some completely pointless message here. Anyway posting here will not increase your post count. Even it does it wil not makes you looks more handsome in your real life.
(Look at the way you spam, even spam also should spam with some creativity... you are really retard)

*CUT !!!!!*

Back to SC2, no more off topic.

fujkenasai,

I just about to post the similiar idea here! Naga is the best example and idea here. And the so call "4th race" will be great if they are superior Protoss_Zerg hybrid. But it will not be an "official race" which available on multiplayer".

And also, remember the Black Temple in WoW Burning Crusade? Blizzard might wants to save the "4th Race" for SC2 expansion pack? 

I am so disappointed that its Starcraft 2.....I was hopping it would be DotA 2

Blizzard don't care about DotA anymore...

*Sob* *Sob*

DotA was never their game.  They don't earn a single dime from it.

People just buy pirated WC3 or download a bootleg copy, then download the freeware DotA... no money for Blizzard.  Unless they support it on Battle.Net, which I haven't bothered checking... I dont like DotA, it killed WC3 RTS.  Just like how I hate Counter-Strike, for killing REAL FPS.

1st Blizzard not the DotA maker. (DotA just a map that under Warcraft3 making by Warcraft3 fans)

2nd U hopping for DotA 2, but i though u alrdy playing DotA 6 (DotA version 6)

3rd now u only can hope for Starcraft fans will make a map same like DotA in StarCraft 2

I think blizzard try to make SC2 as similiar to SC as much as possible in terms of gameplay as well as the graphics . Din notice any outstanding graphic in the gameplay screenshot,only can see its changed from 2D to 3D~maybe the cinematic in game might look impressive ^^
With this way,more players can enjoy SC2 even with their not-so-advanced-computer and the 1st series player wouldnt stick to SC as there's no major change in game.Blizzard attract more players and earn more in this way 

er.....Dota fans is actually Warcraft fans, if they going make DotA in Starcraft then they also known as SC fans
who know? most information in SC2 not yet announce, but i'm sure SC2 will have hero since SC also had, just hope that they have a hero system like WC3 or more advance

Me too.I have never seen them except that Xel Naga building in SC:BR.
With proper balance,Xel Naga will be balanced and fun to play with or against.

The protoss temple on Auir is a Xel'naga creation as well.

And with proper balance, a.k.a. weakening of Xel'naga to be played with. They lose their status as God. A bit lowly for the ancient race that created the Zerg and whorshipped by the Protoss don't you think? I would prefer Xel'naga remains as an ancient race as described in the storyline.

Or maybe they'll expand the idea where Protoss used the temple on Shakura to destroy the Zerg by allowing us to use some leftover artifacts by the Xel'Naga in the campaign mode.

i agree......i think there shouldnt be any heroes in SC2 as SC has always been about the army and not about heroes appearing in every battle........the reason why DOW heroes are so successful is because the battles were always land battles and heroes always played a support role......

however SC2 always been about engaging large armies lead by the player. there is no need for heroes to be around just for cameo sake or for bragging rights........SC2 should not have any heroes.......if they want to make it good........let them do it in the gameplay and give a game that is as good looking and great playing as DOW or COH.......

Make great gameplay than adding heroes for popularity sake......
Still it takes balance....if that was forsaken like WC3 then its worthless.....besides the reason why there was heroes in the first place for warcraft 3 is because the stories in warcraft 3 ever since the first installment was about heroes and how they lead their armies......it was inevitable that heroes will make an appearance in warcraft 3........

gosh so many SC2 fanboys...
dun jz bash other games cause u are a fanboy...
COH is an awesome game which relies on your interaction with the environment...
CNC3 is super in terms of large armies due to no population limit (more to my type)...

Defense of the Aeons lol. Good way to feed false information, newjack.

The very idea came from Aeons of Strife, not Defense of the Aeons, which was what inspired Eul's DotA and eventually DotA:AS.

And let's go back to the topic

StarCraft II
Official StarCraft2.com Gameplay trailers delayed..

Hmm i remember last time playing starcraft with my friend at cc, they always say " Dog coming ! Dog coming ! Help ~~~~! " Some insect or animal name also come out like Bird, Fly ..... spider .....

Maybe this time find them play again will say again XD.

Actually this is the new ability of the zergling. They can transform into rolling bombs.
Shuttles are not gone it is still there. I remember seeing it in one of the movies where they came in and dropped the Zealots.

Phase Prism is actually similar to the ability the Undead had in TFT to make the ground corrupt so they could build support bases away from their main bases.

Nydus Canal cannot be gone either that is a defensive structure of the Zergs. Nydus Worm is probably a transport variant of the canal.
Xel'Naga are not friendly. They're only interest is to create a perfect being by combining Protoss and Zergs.

well i CNC3 is kinda balance...
GDI seems all strong but they are not perfect and weak air units...
NOD seems weak but can really deal massive damage fast (rush) and hit and runs option...
Scrin a little slow and hard to use but highly rewarding late game...
its a triangle where GDI > NOD > Scrin > GDI and so on...

anyways back to topic...
blizard are kinda slow in rleasing the games so jz wiat patiently if u want a nicely finished game...
hope the population limit can be increased though...

Zerg gives me this very dirty feeling... then when u click the units... all those SQUISHY SQUASHY sound...  zergling rush then straight mutalisk raid ends a game damn quickly .

Argh Araes you got me an idea!

See, SC2 NO NEED to follow traditional RTS game play to give surprise, like 1 super weapon, or 1 super unit, or few heros for each faction. But instead, it SC2 might take the best amond them! Imagine this: Protoss got Mother ship, Terran got Nuke, Zerg got <insert your suggestion here>, how cool !

I think Protoss Phoenix will replace Scout.

Firebat should be there because it's suppose to be a melee unit for terran while Reaper is more like a harassing unit and a bit like Zone Trooper.

Hmm.. no way Blizzard got fed up with DotA. Some ppl bought WC3 just to play DotA!!
I think Blizzard got plan for em dotards, Diablo 3. I believe Diablo 3 multiplayer will be played like DotA. Imagine DotA style gameplay but with many different maps to choose. Orgasm for them dotards. See, Blizzard got some brain there, those dotards will stay out of SC2(everyone will be happy) while blizzard squeezes money from dotards using Diablo 3.

You guys forget... DUNE is the true grandfather of RTS games.

anti-dota sentiment it seems... hell with that iam in... DOTArds love to be called pro or whatever s**tazz... i never see any great achievement playing a modded game which is item dependant...

BTW back to SC2, iam more into the storyline... hell i love all the storyline from all of the blizzards franchise, whether its diablo,Warcraft or starcraft... it's all nicely elaborated and beautifully decorated... The Storyline is my priority here then comes Multiplayer... lol

Eeeks, now suddenly thinking, anyone gotta make the gundam century mdo for SC2 ar? Hee hee (of course not the terran overpower again)    

Yes man, in the anime 1 gundam can vs 100 zaku no prob, that's why in Gundam Century, terran is overpower~~ I believe it will be very beautiful to make SC2 of Gundam Century !

Aiks, means this time make it balance lar, no more Gundam force overwhelm everythign again...

Nah, this got leaked a few months by some Korean dudes... Valve did a far better job with HL2 IMHO... During E3, it was like "Whoa, didn't see that coming!"... Nobody expected anything. For this, there was like speculation after speculation over the last 2 months over what the hell Blizzard was going to do. For Valve, they had pretty much fallen off the face of the earth UNTIL they showed it off at E3.

Another example of blind Blizzard fanboyism.

ah I remember Half-Life 2.
It was like all... "Omg Doom 3 looks freaking sweet Its gonna be awesome!"...until HL2 was previewed.
It became "Doom 3 sucks lol HL2 wins."

Did anyone get a nice little shock reading this part?
Quoted from Gamespot:
    "Morhaime then introduces the lead designer of the project to discuss it--none other than former EALA designer Dustin Browder (who worked previously on The Battle for Middle-earth and Command & Conquer series)."

Heres to hoping some of that C&C magic will worm its way in

wah...paiseh paiseh...ion canon    
ya woo...protoss got more eye candy compare to others...their technology look very cool...but then again, maybe i am not good enough handling protoss unit...dats y i said protoss unit kindda week...depend on how u use it aa...hehehe.....

btw, scrin? owh u meant, scrin super weapon? hahaha...cant help laa...nowadays all alien unit look similar to me.... no matter wat games it is

owh ya...if look carefully...the big shield didnt stop the movement of the missiles...instead the missile will slowdown n floating around....hehe...then it will fall when the shield disappear...

I hope they innovate Starcaft 2. Add another race, better graphics and gameplay, etc. or else it's going to feel like Starcraft 3D as in just enhancing Starcraft into 3D. Hopefully they do something phenomenal like Warcraft 3 did unto Warcraft 2.

Since this game would come out in 2008 or 2009 (typical Blizzard - they haven't even release Ghost), the graphics would look really outdated. It is already outdated as it is now...let's hope for DirectX10 support.

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The first one...well, at least it distorted all the units and really sucked them into the blackhole. The one in C&C3 wasn't as eye-candy...well, the lead designer of SC2 is originally from EALA...C&C makers...

The second one...that's what I had hoped the Scrin's mothership in C&C3 to be able to do...haha...hopefully, EALA take the que from SC2 and upgrade the Scrin's mothership for the expansion Oh, btw, great unit that Protoss Mothership. Felt like Supreme Commander - Awesome Experimental Unit.

Erm, actually all RTS game are copy here copy there one... heard that the jumpjet idea from C&C3's zone tropper, was actually from Dawn of War, one of the space marine.

And also, blizzard seems absorbs lots of elite game makers into their company! Some of them from Crystal Dynamic who are former Legacy Of Kain team are now in Blizzard as well (forgot their name). So for those who play WoW and LEgacy Of Kain, go to Scarlet Monastery (spell?) and you will know what I means... (Sarafan Stronghold !?)

For Starcraft Ghost, it sounds good but I will deny it and with all I can, simply because it's a console only game. I am extreme PC dude !      (So who care if it's cancelled?)

That game came out 2 months ago... It was called Supreme Commander.

i go cd shop they never recommend me wan 

Just finish watch the official gameplay trailer. Now my heart is beating fast for this game w000000000!

So looks like nuke for terran is still there. BUT, the effect of nuke is so dissapointing, definitely like the RA2 era style explosion.... (no way to compare to C&C3's nuke effect). Hope they will improve this when it's release. (but to be fair, their black hol elook much nicer than Rift~~~)

Aiya I not complaining them lar... just think that it should be much nicer since it's a new rts with superior graphic.

But no doubt this time the physic engine are superior, look at those explode air craft's spoil will slide down if it fall on some downhill or something. 

Here is the non-Divx version of the previous cinematic trailer in HD.

Starcraft II - Cinematic Trailer HD - QT HD

Starcraft II - Cinematic Trailer HD - WMV HD

This the latest gameplay trailer also in non-Divx format.

Starcraft II - 22 Minute Developer Walkthrough HD - QT HD

Starcraft II - 22 Minute Developer Walkthrough HD - WMV HD

Starcraft II - 22 Minute Developer Walkthrough - QT Non-HD

Starcraft II - 22 Minute Developer Walkthrough - WMV Non-HD

If you've ever played Supreme Commander, you'll know that's NEVER that case even though the unit cap can go to an astronomical 1000 units. The combination of resource management (Which is a strategy in itself), unit composition and positioning together with precision strikes makes it a true blue strategy game.

There are few.Check gosugamers for non-korean ranking.

Actually about WC3, its not that big in Korea compared to Starcarft. wNv.FoV said in an interview about how he was dissappointed with korean WC3 scene. Sure WC3 is big but SC is just too huge.Maybe thats why you see more non-korean pro in WC3. China is a force to be reckoned with in the future. 4k^ToD said Chinese players are more up to date and creative compared to European players. The Human Emperor we.ige.Sky and the super creative unorthodox human player wNv.TH000 are from China.

BTW..4k^Grubby the Orc Emperor is not performing lately.I dont know if its him or the Orc race. Thats why i said bfore, Orc will get buffed if grubby quits WC3(another great Orc player Zacard retired already. Like all Korean he must serve the army for 2 yrs). Make no mistake Grubby is still the GOD. He set such a high standard for Orc race.

Did you know Korean Air force has their own Starcraft team?
So ppl like SlayerS_BoxeR and forU who'd been called to serve the army can still play competitively. Im not sure if they got paid or not playing in that team.

Huh? I thought they scrapped the SELECTION limit, not the PRODUCTION limit? The 200 unit limit is still there, right? Just that they took off the original 12 unit selection limit. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

we haven't see terran and zerg yet. terran got some special units which are real cool. luckily the cannon tanks is still there lol

Just watched the gameplay video... Illustrates the gameplay for the Protoss pretty well (Though the teleporting of units to Power areas looks a little vague).

I dunno, but the ending "epic" battle felt like a total ripoff of Supreme Commander's E3 video last year. Total lack of tactics on both sides and topped off with a great big nuke. And as awesome as Starcraft is, saying its battles are "epic" just feels so wrong now.

Yeah,the teleporting part is vague.I still dont really understand how it works till now.

Terran Reapers looks a bit like DoW's Assault Space Marines.

The Mothership and Colossus is really cool.

this is just the demo man. i dont think the protos teleporting stuff is fair. thats really unfair to send in back up or to back up and attack. while zerg have to walk all the way? lol. anyway its about a year to release. long time to go