I see. It's good to know that Samsung MY has restock the 2nd gen S90C. Desa Home told me that they are out of stock for the 55" S90C at the moment though (only 65" available), I guess the stocks have yet to reach them. The 55" S90C RM5899 i saw on shopee should be first gen then and that shop is not located within KV area. That's why I double hesitated.

Yeah you are right, S90C should have been the best pick TV for now both gaming and video. OOTB accuracy is superb, software more stable and 2nd gen panel. Its what S95B should have been.

And I am well aware that S95B was in a hot mess software side since launch. Flip flop peak brightness (apparently from 1500 nits nerfed to 1000 nits), EOTF for HDR undertracks and dimmer for game mode, bent panel and the list goes on. Also how Samsung tricked the 2% and 10% into perfect EOTF tracking and non standard 8% everything goes haywire.

Yeah DTM is always on for S95B, and from what I read, I need to enable game mode HDR and DTM will be disabled. Video mode I think cannot disable?

Well, I already made the purchase already.... why poison me haha. It will be used in the bedroom so my wife can enjoy her kdrama and youtube in the highest quality and better HDR lmao. Since they have yet to make any delivery, I will double check with them for the S90C status. Maybe the week after next S90C arrives to Desa Home.

Received my S95B, setup was seamless with the smart things app. Ran an info check and it is brand new with 0 hours panel.

Tizen OS is not as bad as I would think coming from LG. QD-OLED is really bright and its making my CX showing it's age a little.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 15 2024, 09:59 PM

It's bright enough for my viewing condition and colors are definitely brighter than LG CX. The set came with FW 14XX so its already nerfed anyways. So I decided to go for FW 1602. I can do the Anapeak/MaxLux mod via SM to bring back to higher brightness but I don't want to risk it for now since it is under warranty.

I mostly use Movie Mode / FMM with custom BT2020 colorspace with peak brightness set to High. I notice movies on native netflix app with 4K HDR looks a lot dimmer overall. I have yet to play with the settings though. Or perhaps I am too used to LG CX Dolby Vision.

I then subscribe to Apple TV+ to test HDR10+. Tested 47 Ronin on 4K HDR10+ and specular highlights pop so much more (lights, reflective on the armors), colors are so much more saturated (need to get used to red being redder lol), improved shadow details a lot more over the Samsung native Netflix 4K HDR movies. Without HDR10+ it makes a lot of diff.





FMM is on stock preset with custom BT2020 colorspace. My photo taking skill is bad and the phone does not do justice. Vertical grey bar on first pic left side is due to my curtains not completely closed. But yeah overall I am very satisfied with it.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 17 2024, 11:03 PM

X95L don't have 65". A95L or S95C (if you don't mind having no Dolby Vision and the external one connect box)

You have the budget for A95L already, then A95L is better imo.

There is a new FW update for S95B. In case you do console gaming, it seems like ST2084 slider is working again for Game Mode. But better wait for the folks to do brightness and tracking measurements before you update.

New updated Tizen OS menu also.

Link

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 20 2024, 10:38 AM

Those 2 series are graded in DV though. But I will try them tonight.

Did you notice that when you play DV contents, and you scroll through the menu button to choose picture mode: dynamic, standard, movie, FMM, the HDR10+ logo will pop up? I wonder if it is doing some sort of forced metadata conversion? Plus i notice that whenever I play DV contents via apple tv app on the TV, the color tone and temperature seems to match my LG, at least by my eyes (cause I prefer the slightly yellowish white), and highlights seem more dynamic. Though I am not sure if I am really viewing dynamic HDR. But it does seem improved over static HDR content.

I am researching into those streaming app devices now also lol. Not sure if its worth to get it just for that slight bit of improved picture quality.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 21 2024, 04:41 PM

I think movie mode is quite similar to FMM. For FMM without the HDR10+ logo, I think it just due to FMM logo issue. I think it's still running the same metadata as other 3 modes.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 21 2024, 05:11 PM

If you run 4K HDR on Netflix, it appears to be the same. HDR, HDR, HDR, FMM.. lol

I tend to believe its designed that way and I kinda like it this way and not bothered at all. Haha.

To be honest, I am really liking Tizen OS. I am not sure why everyone is bashing it. Maybe it used to better, i am not sure..

Yes I will try that function tonight.

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Feb 21 2024, 05:31 PM

new firmware v1622 out for S95B



This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 6 2024, 07:11 PM

I feel like the new UI and menu is snappier than before....

Not sure for QN95B case. But when S95B came out, it was measured up to 1500 nits on a 1% or 5% window. Then they released a FW 14XX to nerf the brightness and improve the OOTB accuracy throughout all the updates. Not sure this was done intentionally or not as a marketing gimmick to launch the QD-OLED tvs lol.

Several AVS members posted their EOTF and LR chart for FMM/MM for the S95B on the latest FW, there are still tracking almost perfectly on a 10% window (I have also double checked with one of the poster there). Just game mode HDR still undertracking without maxlux but ST+1 would bring it back as close to the curve as possible. With Maxlux it's close to perfect.

So for S95B users:
Anapeak2 mod : bring back 5% window or smaller size to 1500 nits (value is 1023), 10% remains at 1030 nits. Doing this at your own risk, this will bring back the small window sizes to 1500 nits. Can also do a smaller value between 1000 nits and 1500 nits using value 886 around 1300 nits.

But in my personal opinion and after comparing to CX, there isn't a need to do Anapeak at all. 1000 nits is more than capable now for bright room condition unless you want that few seconds of burst 1500 nits brightness and with highly inaccurate PQ.

MaxLux mod: FW1622 has fix the ST sliders, so now can just do a bit of gamma correction. If you want perfect tracking, you can do MaxLux 138. Doing Maxlux mod does not impact overall peak brightness or FMM/MM mode. It is just resolving the undertaking EOTF and LR and only applicable to Game mode with HDR HGIG on. In fact I also double checked on my PS5 HDR calibrations, with ST+1, I can get up to 19 clicks now before the brightness clips. Based on all the users before 1622, they can only get up to 16/17 clicks on default. Might be a tone mapping problem but I am not sure. So far I am quite happy with Game Mode HDR without Maxlux.



This is such a great deal. RM9.3K for a flagship...

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 12 2024, 03:32 PM

https://www.samsung.com/my/support/model/QA...KXXM/#downloads

downloaded from samsung website and installed via USB

Convael, i just placed the order for Calibrite Colorchecker display "plus". The rebranded X-rite colorimeter that can measure up to 2000 nits version. It was on discount on Amazon so I had to get it. Not getting the latest gen HL 3000 nits and 10000 nits version cause some reviews mention that there are not sensitive enough for low light luminance.

I want to start with my LG CX first cause I can just utilize the internal pattern generator. So do you think I should just pay for Calman 1 year license or use the HCFR like yours? I did a bit a of research, HCFR is much harder to use and it doesn't have built-in work flow. Please advise.

I understand this is just basic calibration, but if it can improve a bit of black crush, grayscale and tint issue for SDR and HDR , I don't really mind. Nothing is considered "calibrated enough" unless with those Klein K10A or CR100/250....

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 25 2024, 08:03 PM

I went ahead with Calman home for LG. It's a bit expensive but at least it has in built workflow for AutoCAL. I already downloaded the software, SDR and HDR media files from Calman website. Now I am just waiting for my colorimeter to arrive next week.

For SDR calibration types, which one do you use? Lighting LUT, Fixed 9 Point or 3x3 Matrix LUT? Delta formula - DE_ITP? Anymore tips since you also own and calibrated LG OLEDs..

I have read that some ended with greenish tints over grayscale but the calibration delta shows otherwise. There are also people who did lighting LUT and with certain color spikes, then went back and did the fixed 9 point to get good delta average.... I plan to calibrate "cinema" mode only and leave the ISF bright and dark untouch. That way I can compare the dark crush on both default and calibrated.

For HDR calibration, since the panel will max out the peak luminance, will be there an obvious temporary image retention? This part I bit worry

Yes getting that last 2, 5% or 10% isn't going to matter to most, but for me knowing that I am running the panel as optimized as possible (colors and luminance) and if black crush/grayscale 1D can be slightly improved why not? Yeah those spectrophotometer + high end colorimeter+ murideo pattern generator prices are absurb can buy a few G3s dy..lol

Thanks for the info. I will use lighting LUT for SDR and matrix LUT for HDR then. For tonemapping 1000/4000/10000 nits, you use 50/40/30 also?

I have no plan to touch Dolby Vision because I think both home cinema and cinema is perfect as it is. I always use home cinema for daytime and cinema for nighttime.

One last thing, do you know if I calibrate the HDR cinema mode, will it be bring forward to say PS5 netflix app or hdmi input? Or will it be using the PS5 HDR system again (the sun adjustment)? Cause I don't have an external device to force HDR on my LG. All my streaming apps will default back to Dolby Vision (Disney+, Netflix, Apple+)

This post has been edited by Kahlamx: Mar 28 2024, 11:55 PM

Finally manage to measure my S95B stock settings for FMM HDR PQ EOTF using HCFR. FMM HDR mode is really accurate with average color accuracy deltaE of 3.0-3.2 (slightly over threshold of 3.0). OOTB colors are quite accurate already I think. I am sure S90C, S95C FMM HDR would be the same.




And here is why you shouldn't use standard or even dynamic mode HDR. Below is standard mode PQ EOTF default settings. Over-brighten and with significant color inaccuracy...

Hdr10+ on Netflix is now available for supported Samsung TVs

Link

Very disappointing if this only applies to 2025 models and onwards

Actually, high end/mid-range Samsung TVs (except a few lower end Q series inm) from 2021 (or even 2020s) already support HDR10+ via AV1 video decoding. It's a matter of when/if Samsung wants to enable for older devices.

2025 models are a given of course.