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Chowda
post Apr 22 2018, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(samsungXP @ Apr 15 2018, 05:39 AM)
But saving plan interest more higher
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I calculated saving plus plan before, better you keep in FD. FD accumulated interest plus shorter maturity period, Saving plus plan fixed interest at 3 %, usually with few years maturity period. Your accumulated interest in few years definitely higher than saving plus plan i tell you.
Chowda
post Apr 22 2018, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Apr 22 2018, 02:10 AM)
I took a saving plan by HLA. Look out for it, I think it's still available. Minimum lock in, 6 year. Return quite high.
TS dah la cakap 6 - 10 years and you go babbling about liquidity risk.
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I calculated this before, I actually join a few years ago cause still noob. After understand cashflow and use final maturity period with final sum, if no take into account inflation is 3% interest p.a. If inflation take into account almost make loss. Better FD.
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(Harddisk @ Apr 22 2018, 02:46 AM)
There's a guaranteed return, average to 6.9%/annum. Interest applied on this amount if you don't do withdrawal on it. There is also dividend, but forgotten the rate. My last calculation based on best rate, it could go up to around 9.7%/annum.

Yes, withdraw after completed 6 years tenure. It was backed with PIDM as well.
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Are we talking about the same plan here? Every month 188 for 10 years. and then for another 10 years get cheque at the end each year, and at the 20th year get one lump sum. Got dividend meh? I read the policy up and down never saw a dividend clause, only time of maturity and surrender value.
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:08 PM)
Ops sorry, Yes i noticed u said didnt include dividend.

I meant to say, 'you believe the agent when they say dividend 30%'? Invest 12000 a year.. The dividend is 3600 @@

What does ur policy say you will get when you terminate the policy / upon maturity? I rmber there is no 'guaranteed return / guaranteed profit' , only 'worst case scenario / best case scenario'.

Correct?

Anyway, its your money. I jus wanna start a /kopitiam talk, no offence smile.gif
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i think the only way to find the real return is really enter the program, then plot every year how much pay in, then get every year pay out.
i think after year 10.. then can see whats the real returns..after all those variables like dividend /that particular year actual figure u received etc
i had one running over 10years adi (not HL) i think 12 year payment , then autopilot, when i check the real figures it was like 3-4% real return.. not much actually. but ok la for some forced savings/backup funds. haha and then just leave it to run until 60 or 75years old. etc...
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:21 PM)
i think the only way to find the real return is really enter the program, then plot every year how much pay in, then get every year pay out.
i think after year 10.. then can see whats the real returns..after all those variables like dividend /that particular year actual figure u received etc
i had one running over 10years adi (not HL) i think 12 year payment , then autopilot, when i check the real figures it was like 3-4% real return.. not much actually. but ok la for some forced savings/backup funds. haha and then just leave it to run until 60 or 75years old. etc...
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Ya need to enter and wait 10,15yrs only can see real return... But cannot guarantee it will be higher than unit trust or even fd. Because policy doesnt guarantee a payout. My own brother's education saving plan payout was lower than fd rate (compounded) after 10yrs.
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:27 PM)
Ya need to enter and wait 10,15yrs only can see real return... But cannot guarantee it will be higher than unit trust or even fd. Because policy doesnt guarantee a payout. My own brother's education saving plan payout was lower than fd rate (compounded) after 10yrs.
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best is to park everything excess into full flexi housing loan laugh.gif then every month quite cheap for my monthly mortgage laugh.gif
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Apr 22 2018, 10:15 PM)
I calculated saving plus plan before, better you keep in FD. FD accumulated interest plus shorter maturity period, Saving plus plan fixed interest at 3 %, usually with few years maturity period. Your accumulated interest in few years definitely higher than saving plus plan i tell you.
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Not everyone understands...

If they use 'best case scenario' % calculatiob of course the return will be higher than fd. But impossible every year also 'best case scenario' ma.

If u tell the agent this, they will tell u 'aiyo boss, every year hla gives out xx% la, wont drop below xx%'

Then u ask them 'is it guaranteed in policy?'

They eill diam diam.
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:29 PM)
best is to park everything excess into full flexi housing loan  laugh.gif then every month quite cheap for my monthly mortgage  laugh.gif
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This i totally agree...if i fully park into my flexi loan now, the return from rental is a whooping 7.5%!'
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:33 PM)
This i totally agree...if i fully park into my flexi loan now,  the return from rental is a whooping 7.5%!'
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fuyoh! rclxms.gif
eh got deduct LHDN portion of the rental or not? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 22 2018, 10:08 PM)
Ops sorry, Yes i noticed u said didnt include dividend.

I meant to say, 'you believe the agent when they say dividend 30%'? Invest 12000 a year.. The dividend is 3600 @@

What does ur policy say you will get when you terminate the policy / upon maturity? I rmber there is no 'guaranteed return / guaranteed profit' , only 'worst case scenario / best case scenario'.

Correct?

Anyway, its your money. I jus wanna start a /kopitiam talk, no offence smile.gif
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I wasn't told it was 30%. Just said up to 10% per annum return. This would have to include dividend (max rate) along with compounded interest.

Like I said previous, I did the calculations and it's there. But I haven't check what's the dividend I'm getting though. Will treat it as a way to force my savings. The extra interest over FD is a bonus.

Was definitely told about the early withdrawal penalty. The agent is quite clear on the details with me. So I was ok with it. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2018, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Apr 22 2018, 10:18 PM)
I calculated this before, I actually join a few years ago cause still noob. After understand cashflow and use final maturity period with final sum, if no take into account inflation is 3% interest p.a. If inflation take into account almost make loss. Better FD.
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FD won't be affected by inflation? If you're discipline enough not to touch the FD once it's matured, then it's ok. It's your own choice.

QUOTE(Chowda @ Apr 22 2018, 10:20 PM)
Are we talking about the same plan here? Every month 188 for 10 years. and then for another 10 years get cheque at the end each year, and at the 20th year get one lump sum. Got dividend meh? I read the policy up and down never saw a dividend clause, only time of maturity and surrender value.
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Sounds different. Mine min must save for 6 yes I order to get the return tabled out. And it's fixed amount per year savings.

To get the best rate, just withdraw once the contract is due. Cause if leaving the savings with the running rate, the interest is not that high. Take it out, reinvest again in similar saving plan.

Their selling point was, "this is the final deal already". But manatau 2 yes down the road I'm still seeing similar plans by HLA, albeit slightly different rate (lower already I think). But if do it every 6 years, the rate is considered high. Definitely better than FD.

Anyway, do your own calculations. You'd know what's best for yourself.
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post Apr 22 2018, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Chowda @ Apr 22 2018, 10:15 PM)
I calculated saving plus plan before, better you keep in FD. FD accumulated interest plus shorter maturity period, Saving plus plan fixed interest at 3 %, usually with few years maturity period. Your accumulated interest in few years definitely higher than saving plus plan i tell you.
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so which bank currently the higher interest for FD ?
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post Apr 22 2018, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(samsungXP @ Apr 15 2018, 02:17 AM)
Can i know which bank saving plan is good ? Juz need tenure 6 - 10 years. Only for saving coz insurance plan ord have
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Last i check was Affin, 4%. Need 5k though

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