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hksgmy
post Mar 6 2024, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Mar 6 2024, 08:18 AM)
Do you think you'll be financially different if you were born 20 years later?
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Actually, the answer isn't as simple as a "yes" or "no".

Yes, in the sense that fledging industries were easier to establish earlier and "first mover advantage" can be consolidated.

No, in the sense that there are now more millionaires and multi-millionaires in Singapore, Malaysia, Australia etc than ever before

Yes, in the sense that inflation & housing are now a lot more unaffordable than in the past

No, in the sense that there's a lot of new wealth creation from industries that didn't exist in the past

So, I think ultimately, it's a case of being in the right place & with the right skillset for the right time frame that matters more.

That's my humble 2 cents worth.
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post Mar 6 2024, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 6 2024, 07:24 AM)
Heh. As I mentioned earlier, there are 2 groups of migrants. Increasingly, Australia and other countries like Singapore are looking for migrants who are able to contribute financially.
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Australia is looking for workers who can fill their professional force that ordinary Australians gone upstream due to the mining boom prosperity.

Singapore is looking for workers to fuel their expansion.

The thing about Australia is, no matter how many skilled workers they want to accept for migration, they can never build upstream their industries. For example, Australia is Nikei, Iron, ALuminium ore rich. But why they could not build upstream, is something I can't fathom.

Thus Australia, is now attracting migrants that are skilled and migrants that are super rich that come in to buy properties, not invest in factories or business to fuel expansion.
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post Mar 6 2024, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 6 2024, 06:09 PM)
Australia is looking for workers who can fill their professional force that ordinary Australians gone upstream due to the mining boom prosperity.

Singapore is looking for workers to fuel their expansion.

The thing about Australia is, no matter how many skilled workers they want to accept for migration, they can never build upstream their industries. For example, Australia is Nikei, Iron, ALuminium ore rich. But why they could not build upstream, is something I can't fathom.

Thus Australia, is now attracting migrants that are skilled and migrants that are super rich that come in to buy properties, not invest in factories or business to fuel expansion.
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Perhaps, but that's not stopped dreamers from dreaming about migrating there.

Meanwhile, the doers have done it.


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post Mar 7 2024, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 6 2024, 06:17 PM)
Perhaps, but that's not stopped dreamers from dreaming about migrating there.

Meanwhile, the doers have done it.
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true true doers have done it.

But the way Australia govt is running nowadays with lack of political will, they r destroying the dream.

For over 30-40 years they failed to diversity their economy. Rich in iron and nikel ore, they failed to upstream their industries and today they pay the price, because 70% of these exports rely on China which is now in downturn due to the property crisis.

Australia has so much potential to get out of the big 5 cities.


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post Mar 10 2024, 05:09 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 7 2024, 08:43 AM)
true true doers have done it.

But the way Australia govt is running nowadays with lack of political will, they r destroying the dream.

For over 30-40 years they failed to diversity their economy. Rich in iron and nikel ore, they failed to upstream their industries and today they pay the price, because 70% of these exports rely on China which is now in downturn due to the property crisis.

Australia has so much potential to get out of the big 5 cities.
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For migrants like me, who come here to enjoy life post retirement and not fight with the locals or other migrants for the economic pie, it doesn’t really matter so much.

However, for someone hoping to earn a decent wage and uplift his standard of living, then to be honest, Singapore is a better place to do it than Australia.
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post Mar 10 2024, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 10 2024, 05:09 AM)
For migrants like me, who come here to enjoy life post retirement and not fight with the locals or other migrants for the economic pie, it doesn’t really matter so much.

However, for someone hoping to earn a decent wage and uplift his standard of living, then to be honest, Singapore is a better place to do it than Australia.
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So Australia is only attracting something like a MM2H package.

Lots of my rich friends, bought townhouses, bungalows and condos there for purpose of "investment" and just as second home to send their kids to study there.


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post Mar 10 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 10 2024, 09:16 AM)
So Australia is only attracting something like a MM2H package.

Lots of my rich friends, bought townhouses, bungalows and condos there for purpose of "investment" and just as second home to send their kids to study there.
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No, I mean I treat Australia as a second home for me to enjoy and relax. Others may obviously feel differently.
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post Mar 10 2024, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 10 2024, 09:29 AM)
No, I mean I treat Australia as a second home for me to enjoy and relax. Others may obviously feel differently.
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I think there are a lot more people like you who is well enough to buy second home for retirement.

What I am trying to say is that Australia is no longer the place for new migrant families that want to rely on their moderate skillsets and lack of funding to migrate. It still is, but much less than before, its going to get worse anyways.

Australia is the dream for those who have $$$ to build a new future. Unless you have trmendously good skillsets that the country values.

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post Mar 10 2024, 08:55 PM

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I think there are a lot more people like you who is well enough to buy second home for retirement.

What I am trying to say is that Australia is no longer the place for new migrant families that want to rely on their moderate skillsets and lack of funding to migrate. It still is, but much less than before, its going to get worse anyways.

Australia is the dream for those who have $$$ to build a new future. Unless you have trmendously good skillsets that the country values.
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They are still super keen on doctors and nurses…
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post Mar 10 2024, 09:18 PM

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They are still super keen on doctors and nurses…
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of course they are

any rich country will want to draw the best doctors to treat their citizens.


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post Mar 11 2024, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 10 2024, 09:18 PM)
of course they are

any rich country will want to draw the best doctors to treat their citizens.
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Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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what issues do medical schools of these countries have in australia?
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post Mar 11 2024, 09:55 AM

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what issues do medical schools of these countries have in australia?
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Their training is not recognized as equivalent
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post Mar 11 2024, 09:55 AM

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Their training is not recognized as equivalent
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oh, i see. thanks
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post Mar 11 2024, 02:00 PM

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Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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I know a couple of migrant doctors dropped out of Aust
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Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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this reminded me of old (back in 2000s) where doctors from phillipines is willing to migrate to california to be nurses... just cos the pay is too good as nurses...

malaysia better treat our medical professions with respect and fairness... else i will suffer when i grow old. blink.gif sad.gif
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post Mar 11 2024, 06:22 PM

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I know a couple of migrant doctors dropped out of Aust
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I’m not surprised. As I have said it before and I’ll say it again: it takes a certain mentality to be successful - regardless of where a person finds himself.

If that particular person has the correct mentality, the appropriate skills and qualifications and ambition, and to be honest, with a sprinkle of good fortune (eg a sympathetic superior or an understanding boss), he will succeed regardless of whether he’s stuck in Malaysia, moved to Singapore or is now residing in Australia. The degree of success may differ, ie the amount of money will be different for sure, but it will still be classified as success.

Those dropouts will be dropouts when they return to Malaysia and end up likely selling MCs and cough syrups.
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post Mar 11 2024, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Apr 6 2018, 09:47 AM)
Hi , anyone migrated to Australia before? Just wondering how much is the cost and the process take how long ya?
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What do you have TS
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post Mar 11 2024, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 11 2024, 04:58 AM)
Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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Yes especially after numbers of serious incidents and negligence committed by yindia doctors most notable pulling off babies head during labour because of no patience and didn't check complications. If I'm Australian medical board, I don't trust these foreign migrants doctors neither especially from third nation where some could secretly bought the certs.
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post Mar 12 2024, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Mar 11 2024, 06:22 PM)
I’m not surprised. As I have said it before and I’ll say it again: it takes a certain mentality to be successful - regardless of where a person finds himself.

If that particular person has the correct mentality, the appropriate skills and qualifications and ambition, and to be honest, with a sprinkle of good fortune (eg a sympathetic superior or an understanding boss), he will succeed regardless of whether he’s stuck in Malaysia, moved to Singapore or is now residing in Australia. The degree of success may differ, ie the amount of money will be different for sure, but it will still be classified as success.

Those dropouts will be dropouts when they return to Malaysia and end up likely selling MCs and cough syrups.
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I heard that new doctors must be stationed at those isolated towns, is it true?

Also a doctor friend of mine could not take the late night rotation at the emergency wards.

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