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hksgmy
post May 28 2020, 07:56 AM

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Wow... is this thread still active!?
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post May 30 2020, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(thedarktraveller @ May 29 2020, 11:58 PM)
Maybe once this post kena UP from our comments  rclxm9.gif

Btw does anyone know of one's chances of getting a job in Australia once having their PR application approved?
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Depends on your profession, to be honest. Australia is also in a midst of a economic downturn.

There are essentially 2 groups of migrants - broadly speaking.

The first are those awash with funds and are looking to migrate from a position of strength, on their terms, when they feel is best for themselves. A job is secondary. They are looking for things that their country of origin cannot provide: perhaps it's the weather, a different pace of life, the education system for their kids, the lifestyle. This group are immune to the economic cycles affecting their chosen country of arrival. As long as a visa is obtained, they'll go regardless whether there's a job waiting for them or not.

The second group are those that the "/ktard know-it-all-although-they've-never-done-it-themselves" expert would call the Bangla migrant. Those who are going there to compete with the host country's population for what these keyboard warrior so-called experts term a shrinking economic pie. You'll see many such comments whenever a question arises about migrating/moving to Singapore (why would you want to work there? You'll end up like sardines in the MRT and living in pigeon coops, and you'll be a Bangla), or Australia (why would you want to move there? It's so racist and you'll face hurdles getting a job because you don't look Angmo, and you'll end up a Bangla). The only common themes are: (1) these self-proclaimed experts have never done it before themselves - and it's often anecdotes heard from a friend of a friend's neighbour's daughter's tuition teacher, and (2) this weird fascination about Banglas.

Anyway, if you belong to this second group of economic migrants, then, it stands to reason that you do your sums more carefully before you pull the trigger. Compare what you're making and the cost of living, as well as your career progression and your financial returns in your home country, and then contrast that with the expected parameters in your target country. To do that, there are websites that list the median salaries of occupations in Australia (google's your best friend) - but bear in mind this: (a) it may not be possible to get a job that equates your last position (b) different cities have different cost of living (and you can find out more about that with Numbeo, from the web) and ( c) the taxes are going to be different and will need to be factored in.

Good luck!

This post has been edited by hksgmy: May 30 2020, 07:51 AM
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post Oct 19 2020, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(ryderz @ Oct 19 2020, 07:49 AM)
Anyone can recommend the agency for the migration application?
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I dealt with a migration lawyer directly, in Australia. Which migration plan are you thinking of applying under?
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post Oct 19 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(ryderz @ Oct 19 2020, 02:49 PM)
Planning to apply for the skilled independent visa subclass 189. Are u living in Australia or Malaysia?
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Singapore and Australia. I used a migration agent based in Melbourne to get my visa approved - that was about 15 years ago. Good luck with your journey!
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post Oct 20 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(evangelion @ Oct 20 2020, 10:42 AM)
15 years.....wow. How did you manage to maintain your validity of your PR all these years?! notworthy.gif
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I have a business in Australia - it's a medical practice, which is shared between me and my Uni classmate. We employ about 8 doctors in total, so it counts towards providing jobs locally, and I pay taxes on all my properties in Sydney & Melbourne. I also have substantial cultural ties - my family members are there.
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post Oct 20 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Oct 20 2020, 06:56 PM)
Now I'm no longer teaching programming but working as software engineer. Still can apply for my age 41? Lol
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Yes, but you won't get many points for the age criterion.
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post Feb 27 2024, 05:57 AM

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This is a blast from the past ... and I'm glad, nearly 4 years since my last answer, my RRV is still generously being renewed yearly... at least I feel my taxes paid to ATO are working for me haha.

TS, if you're still on this forum, give us an update!
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post Mar 5 2024, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Feb 27 2024, 08:40 AM)
Australia a lot of homelessness issue due to soaring rent

house price median 1.6m in sydney.

Migration is for the super rich. A couple of my dato and datin friends already migrated there. Some just send their children there to study n bought a home there but still stay here to run their biz.

Not for the newly weds.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/...ns-report-finds
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True bro, house prices are back on an upward trend again. I’m lucky we got in decades ago…
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post Mar 5 2024, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Feb 27 2024, 08:40 AM)
Australia a lot of homelessness issue due to soaring rent

house price median 1.6m in sydney.

Migration is for the super rich. A couple of my dato and datin friends already migrated there. Some just send their children there to study n bought a home there but still stay here to run their biz.

Not for the newly weds.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/...ns-report-finds
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I looked through one of my answers in this very same thread, and I'm surprised how relevant it still sounds, even after the passage of 4 or 5 years...

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Depends on your profession, to be honest. Australia is also in a midst of a economic downturn.

There are essentially 2 groups of migrants - broadly speaking.

The first are those awash with funds and are looking to migrate from a position of strength, on their terms, when they feel is best for themselves. A job is secondary. They are looking for things that their country of origin cannot provide: perhaps it's the weather, a different pace of life, the education system for their kids, the lifestyle. This group are immune to the economic cycles affecting their chosen country of arrival. As long as a visa is obtained, they'll go regardless whether there's a job waiting for them or not.

The second group are those that the "/ktard know-it-all-although-they've-never-done-it-themselves" expert would call the Bangla migrant. Those who are going there to compete with the host country's population for what these keyboard warrior so-called experts term a shrinking economic pie. You'll see many such comments whenever a question arises about migrating/moving to Singapore (why would you want to work there? You'll end up like sardines in the MRT and living in pigeon coops, and you'll be a Bangla), or Australia (why would you want to move there? It's so racist and you'll face hurdles getting a job because you don't look Angmo, and you'll end up a Bangla). The only common themes are: (1) these self-proclaimed experts have never done it before themselves - and it's often anecdotes heard from a friend of a friend's neighbour's daughter's tuition teacher, and (2) this weird fascination about Banglas.

Anyway, if you belong to this second group of economic migrants, then, it stands to reason that you do your sums more carefully before you pull the trigger. Compare what you're making and the cost of living, as well as your career progression and your financial returns in your home country, and then contrast that with the expected parameters in your target country. To do that, there are websites that list the median salaries of occupations in Australia (google's your best friend) - but bear in mind this: (a) it may not be possible to get a job that equates your last position (b) different cities have different cost of living (and you can find out more about that with Numbeo, from the web) and ( c) the taxes are going to be different and will need to be factored in.

Good luck!

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post Mar 6 2024, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 5 2024, 01:07 PM)
I don't think they going to come down anytime soon, because:

1) The rich migrants are propping up the price
2) Not enough construction of new housing
3) Even want to do (2), many housing developers in Australia, faced bankruptcy after MCO.
4) Big 5 cities super saturated, no place
5) Australia too reliant on Service, banking, mining, education and farming.
6) Australia may be big country, but 2/3 is desert, still the 1/3 is the size of Ukraine.
7) Australia match migrant to skilled jobs needed, fail.
8) Not enough political view n steps to bring down price.
9) Not enough investments in term of building of factories, new businesses to Australia.
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Heh. As I mentioned earlier, there are 2 groups of migrants. Increasingly, Australia and other countries like Singapore are looking for migrants who are able to contribute financially.
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post Mar 6 2024, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Mar 6 2024, 08:18 AM)
Do you think you'll be financially different if you were born 20 years later?
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Actually, the answer isn't as simple as a "yes" or "no".

Yes, in the sense that fledging industries were easier to establish earlier and "first mover advantage" can be consolidated.

No, in the sense that there are now more millionaires and multi-millionaires in Singapore, Malaysia, Australia etc than ever before

Yes, in the sense that inflation & housing are now a lot more unaffordable than in the past

No, in the sense that there's a lot of new wealth creation from industries that didn't exist in the past

So, I think ultimately, it's a case of being in the right place & with the right skillset for the right time frame that matters more.

That's my humble 2 cents worth.
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post Mar 6 2024, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 6 2024, 06:09 PM)
Australia is looking for workers who can fill their professional force that ordinary Australians gone upstream due to the mining boom prosperity.

Singapore is looking for workers to fuel their expansion.

The thing about Australia is, no matter how many skilled workers they want to accept for migration, they can never build upstream their industries. For example, Australia is Nikei, Iron, ALuminium ore rich. But why they could not build upstream, is something I can't fathom.

Thus Australia, is now attracting migrants that are skilled and migrants that are super rich that come in to buy properties, not invest in factories or business to fuel expansion.
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Perhaps, but that's not stopped dreamers from dreaming about migrating there.

Meanwhile, the doers have done it.


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post Mar 10 2024, 05:09 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 7 2024, 08:43 AM)
true true doers have done it.

But the way Australia govt is running nowadays with lack of political will, they r destroying the dream.

For over 30-40 years they failed to diversity their economy. Rich in iron and nikel ore, they failed to upstream their industries and today they pay the price, because 70% of these exports rely on China which is now in downturn due to the property crisis.

Australia has so much potential to get out of the big 5 cities.
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For migrants like me, who come here to enjoy life post retirement and not fight with the locals or other migrants for the economic pie, it doesn’t really matter so much.

However, for someone hoping to earn a decent wage and uplift his standard of living, then to be honest, Singapore is a better place to do it than Australia.
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post Mar 10 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 10 2024, 09:16 AM)
So Australia is only attracting something like a MM2H package.

Lots of my rich friends, bought townhouses, bungalows and condos there for purpose of "investment" and just as second home to send their kids to study there.
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No, I mean I treat Australia as a second home for me to enjoy and relax. Others may obviously feel differently.
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post Mar 10 2024, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 10 2024, 07:40 PM)
I think there are a lot more people like you who is well enough to buy second home for retirement.

What I am trying to say is that Australia is no longer the place for new migrant families that want to rely on their moderate skillsets and lack of funding to migrate. It still is, but much less than before, its going to get worse anyways.

Australia is the dream for those who have $$$ to build a new future. Unless you have trmendously good skillsets that the country values.
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They are still super keen on doctors and nurses…
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post Mar 11 2024, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 10 2024, 09:18 PM)
of course they are

any rich country will want to draw the best doctors to treat their citizens.
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Actually any country with an ageing population will want the same. Malaysia on the other hand has too many doctors….

Maybe some of these doctors can come to Australia. But they’ll have to retake their AMC exams because medical schools from Indonesia, Ukraine or Russia and Egypt or India are not mutually recognised.
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post Mar 11 2024, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(kcal @ Mar 11 2024, 08:27 AM)
what issues do medical schools of these countries have in australia?
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Their training is not recognized as equivalent
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post Mar 11 2024, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 11 2024, 02:00 PM)
I know a couple of migrant doctors dropped out of Aust
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I’m not surprised. As I have said it before and I’ll say it again: it takes a certain mentality to be successful - regardless of where a person finds himself.

If that particular person has the correct mentality, the appropriate skills and qualifications and ambition, and to be honest, with a sprinkle of good fortune (eg a sympathetic superior or an understanding boss), he will succeed regardless of whether he’s stuck in Malaysia, moved to Singapore or is now residing in Australia. The degree of success may differ, ie the amount of money will be different for sure, but it will still be classified as success.

Those dropouts will be dropouts when they return to Malaysia and end up likely selling MCs and cough syrups.
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post Mar 12 2024, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 12 2024, 10:25 AM)
I heard that new doctors must be stationed at those isolated towns, is it true?

Also a doctor friend of mine could not take the late night rotation at the emergency wards.
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Yes. 10 year moratorium. Cannot practice in city for 10 years after registration.

Your doctor friend, sorry to say, is damn pandan. If night shift at casualty in Australia also cannot take, how the hell will he survive 96 hour shifts in Malaysia?
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post Mar 12 2024, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Mar 12 2024, 11:48 AM)
is a she.

I think because she did her dues in Msia already, doesn't want to suffer another "housemanship" again.
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Ah, that makes sense. It also means that her training in Malaysia may not be recognized as equivalent so she’s slotted to do the shit shift again in Australia

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