Using a Camera Phone to shoot pics really isnt practical. Even our 2MP cams cannot capture so much detail sometimes.

So just give an honest answer abt your disc and it shud be fine. Better to come out and see it for yourself. All the words wont paint a perfect picture.

But the main reason for this thread is to illustrate more on the no-show and irresponsible attitude of the buyer/sellers.

The product itself is dead thing, easy to manage. People are live creatures, so harder to predict!

FKK and tidak apa attitudes only reflects on your person in how you look at things in life.

EDIT: Hate to highlight this, but I must. I was made to wait for more than 2 hours for Siebel when I dealt with him last time. And all the while I was the one who has to call up and ask "Where are you?". If you are gonna be late, also do inform the other party. I had to endure "15min more" replies more than a couple of times and even got some lame excuse at the end.

Hate to say this, but dealing with kiddies really made me paranoid these days. I know not all are like this, but after going thru an episode like this. I have to be cautious.

In this case, dun hate the game, hate the player.

This post has been edited by ferricide: May 11 2007, 01:00 PM

i agree. the most important thing if want to sell is be honest about the game. if got scratched, mention that when put WTS, so that the buyer won't feel cheated after receive the disc.

Lots of fair comments!

u are too kind. FFK one time is enough to be put in the hall of shame

someone is so screwed here eh..

MOST of the COD cases go through with no issues and both parties happy.

It's the one or two few cases every month that really messes things up. If a guy FFK you and goes and sells/buys from somewhere else, chances are it'll happen again.

It's a person to person interaction. Trust is essential for reputation to remain intact. The moment your rep is gone, think how hard it'll be to recover it.

I didn't know Siebel was already one of the notorious ones. I was indeed very disappointed because I thought we had a deal and then we even agreed on time and place to meet. Then next thing a PM to say deal is off because someone wanted to buy it urgently and was willing to pay a higher price.

I guess I was a bit luckier than you not having wasted 2 hours of my time with people like this!

Let's start the Hall of Fame in the interest of newcomers who will be disappointed if they don't know that there are people like this and therefore needs to be avoided.

My 2 Cents.

Should we really start a hall of fame? Do we really want to go down this path? Just a question as most of us in the LYN 360 Community knows each other pretty well.

If the consensus is yes, and I appreaciate it if PJ, arj and other veterans chip in their opinion as they have been around here longer than most of us.

putting ppl's name on hall of fame is pretty bad imho as it kind build a bad reputation for some forumer and thus his chances of sales in pasar malam thread surely would be affected.

IMHO put a rating system of some sort so ppl can rate each other~

A rating system is over kill for these kinda small matter. The game prolly is only RM50-RM100+ and we shoot so much already. We just want the community here to know who THEY are.

There's really only 200+ MAXIMUM of us active LYN members doing trading... so just a community message will be fine. They dun even amount to more than 5% of us here.

Dun think we shud ban a 15yr kid just for being the way he is? Maybe he isnt mature enuff to know all this. But that is why I just keep it silent and hope he learns from it.

But it re-surfaced again with horray this time. So I decided not to hold my peace anymore.

Let's only ban those HARDCORE Kings of FFK. But so far the leading candidate list for this is only Hornybear and Siebel. 2x each.

Just put a notice on top of the PasarMalam thread will do. Put down GT and also what was the offense, better include deal with who, time and date. This is for those EXTREME ppl (3 times and above)

My 0.02 cents.

This post has been edited by ferricide: May 11 2007, 03:11 PM

Of course..he wanted To COD nearer to me and giving higher price..ofcourse ill sell to him..and we juz only set the time and place and around an hour or plus ive cancel it..not like 5min to dateline ive cancel...i have the choice to cancel it u know..

@ ferricide ....Sry for that..My mom has to drive me around and that was my 1st time though...

This post has been edited by ImSIEBEL: May 11 2007, 03:16 PM

Our community is fairly big, but not as big.

I do not think the Hall of Fame is needed...yet. So far, how many FFK cases were there?

Creating the Hall of Fame might serve as a double-edge razor towards the community, either it benefits us or it compromise the harmony of our friendly little 360 neighborhoods. We are ethic gamers wei~

Pasar Malam Thread was created so the community have alternative to affordable Original games, that's our priority. We do not have any rules & regulation but that doesn't mean anyone should take advantage of this.

So IMO, if there were any dispute (like now...but it rarely happens) maybe we can have our own supreme court in the Pasar Malam Thread while Zio act as the judge

If deem necessary, Zio will insert another post under the Pasar Malam thread with a mini-Hall of Fame, if the "defendant" is proven "guilty", judge-Zio (not judge-the ) will be handing out warning/saman and stuff so people can take reference but try do it mild, not so spicy (extreme). The "plaintiff" should take note not to accuse anyone either or he will be charge of defamation.
eg. Trader A - Yellow Card. Red Card.
Otherwise, just post a warning level beside the Trader Profile.

We are all here for some games anyway...this isn't a real War...Trading Zone/Garage Sales where people fight in the ring



*BTW, need to take the chances to thanks Zio for all the hardwork!!! Keep it up! It will not be forgotten~~

This post has been edited by PrivateJohn: May 11 2007, 03:18 PM

Tats like more work for me. I dont like you anymore ferricide

Aiya... just add in more code only la... your the JUDGE now...bahhahahha

So far i've never experienced any problem in dealing with fellow lyn, all went smoothly but i do want to apologize to XP750 because i ask him to reserve the headset but i forgot all about it until he PM me about it (i did bought the headset from him in the end). Sorry about that boss

Sometimes people who already agreed to a deal, and then at the end ffk & no reply. At least say that u don't want the game already larr!! Just a simple reply will do, at least inform the other party so that he can sell the game to other people. Please be a responsible buyer/seller.

No need hall of fame la. Normally dealing with the regulars here ain't a problem. It's those who u don't see them posting in the forum that will give potential issues.

Basically, there are only two cases which I know of. And one of them already posted here with his reasons.

Basically, he informed the first seller way earlier that he is cancelling the deal because he got a better deal. Not entirely a pleasant thing but try to keep this to a one-time only occasion. We are all very forgiving people right?

As for you being late, cant help you there although I know you live like far away. In Neverland. Maybe you should inform your seller of a more reasonable time to meet in the future.

The other case involves a certain guy named hornybear. And I believe a few people has suffered a failed deal with him. I have no further details on that.

...then i guess we should put this up
-quote scpt

That way people will know...




Joking aside (although it isn't funny), i think we need some sort of brief guideline, or you can say more of a - Reminder to people.

Zio, you take the lead la.

@Siebel,

If your gonna be LATE, pls let us know. Be responsible with your actions.

Its not like we are gonna hunt you down or anything. Please stick to the time you have agreed upon. Also do realize I do have other things to do with my time.

Just be honest and you can get away with most things. WE are actually very forgiving if you know how to handle the situation.

As for letting go of your deal with horray, can't comment much, but just make sure you honour whatever you deals made. Its a trait that will help you in life further down the road.

Peace.

I guess it is time to stick up some guidelines to follow for Pasar Malam. Will draft something out soon.