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post Jun 24 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jun 24 2021, 02:10 PM)
Why price on receipt is 10550?
Or total receipt is 13k, they add the difference under other things?
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how to buy gpu when all need bundle haha, that is scalped priced
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post Jun 24 2021, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jun 24 2021, 04:43 PM)
Gamers community are complaining actually. It's affecting alot of game developers that suppose to announce new games with rtx as the new norm.
But many games has staggered because of short supply of gpu on the market affected by bitcoin miners.
Nvidia will have to pick a choice between bitcoin miners or gamers along with game companies.
The LHR board is just a start. More and more features will be enabled to prevent bitcoin mining eventually.
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gamers? car companies have to reduce car production by a big margin because of shortage

it's not just about gamers, it's not just about mining, if it is, the 1050ti that is not capable of mining won't be rm1k, the 1650 4GB not capable of mining would not be rm1.2k

and stop acting like those companies owe the gamers, when 2000 series launched, why didn't buy at that time, it is msrp right? even back when rtx2060 super is less than rm2k early 2020

it is just supply and demand not exclusive to graphic cards, happened to ryzen 5000 series and ps4 & ps5, nintendo switch too but not as serious

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post Jun 24 2021, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Jun 24 2021, 08:52 PM)
Compare with RTx2060, then release this 3060, why aaa so much hate for Rtx 3060?

It already provided with 12gb vram. No go?

Cuda also high.

Point out me guys..
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because 3060ti slightly more expensive but way faster, and pricing problem too
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post Jun 25 2021, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(altk1989 @ Jun 25 2021, 10:45 AM)
Ya lol, looked at the site as well, the price is better compare to here, but i like to think that is because our gpu market here havent adjust, the impact should arrive once the massive gpu stock incoming...I already saw many shop that i familiar kinda panic sell 3060 about 3.0k no bundle.
Not really, you can see that is Rev 2.0, which listed as LHR on official web.
But surely have more 2nd GPU flow to their market.  biggrin.gif
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nvidia also increasing the production of 3060 now too
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post Jun 25 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jun 25 2021, 04:52 PM)
If it's really not exclusive why the price only apply to GPU and not others ? Apparently the biggest price hike is GPU that increase 2 times to 5 times it's original price.
Stop saying not about mining. If it's isnt mining , then tell me what could have the biggest hit on GPU stock availability.
Gamers only need to buy 1 GPU and use for 4-5 years before it gets outdated. Mind u, SLI or XFIRE no longer applicable because they're dropping it.
Tell me how many GPU does Bitcoin miners buy ? 3 is the minimum . And it continues to add across the year.
Every 3-4 months they buy 1-2 new cards when everything is msrp . Regular bitcoin miners earn around RM500 the minimum .
1050ti wasn't capable but many were forced to buy these cards during these times. Hence suppliers took it an opportunity to earn extra cash by hiking up the price too.
GPU wasn't highly demanded in the past as we know. And you clearly know that. Don't tell me the problem didn't come from bitcoin miners.
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oh then why as bonchi said, automotive electronics prices up 200% too? miners buying automotive electronics too? lol
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post Jun 26 2021, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Jun 26 2021, 02:11 AM)
Trust me. There're miners in here who are literally trying to divert the attention away. Not only you. I've been to one before in Klang. The factory was setup to do bitcoin mining.
There're around at least 30-40 units. I setup the cctv there for the boss to monitor .
Prices were already spiking up before covid19. It wasn't too bad that time but the prices indeed was affected.
People who believe it's not cause by bitcoin mining farms then they're exactly wrong.
The farms i've seen is just some small ones out of dozens out there that are huge. There's also a few shop in KL that helps to source GPU for these bitcoin mining farms too.
They had huge stocks comprising new and refurbish units dedicated to make bitcoin farming benches for some people who wants to get one running.
The ones who did it at home had at least 3 GPU min to get one running.
And they also have one more for their own gaming. That makes 4.

The prices of GPU skyrocketed to a massive amount is an example. If there's truly high demand and massive price hike on chips, then we're not looking at just GPU selling 3-4 times it's original price.
Our smartphones would be RM10k per ones as well.
Laptop would be over RM10k easily.
But why only GPU had the biggest hike of all ? Figure that out yourself. The truth is so simple yet disturbing to bitcoin miners who're trying to evade that truth.
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even before now, in 2016 and 2017, people already setup mining farm, our own lowyat members themselves have mining farm over 100 GPUs but that's mostly radeons at that time.

but that time there's no pandemic and shortage in many other sectors other than IT sector, so price of GPUs aren't crazy and supply never ran out especially on nvidia cards
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post Jun 26 2021, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jun 26 2021, 11:12 AM)
what window 11 bring to us anyway?

just realize DLSS has resolution restriction and also implementation that depends on the developer. kinda bummer trying to figure out why DLSS is grey out in BF V for my UW reso  sad.gif
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I just installed Battlefield V too, running on 2560x1440 and I can use DXR but not DLSS shocking.gif

Just saw you need 4K to even use DLSS on 3000 series GPU, like why? even 3060, 3060ti etc can't use DLSS on 1440p which is kinda stupid

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post Jun 26 2021, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jun 26 2021, 01:22 PM)
That time, not mainstream yet, and earnings from bitcoin mining pale in comparison to rewards from mining ethereum currently due to the availability of ASIC machines.
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actually 2016-2017 the main coin to mine was ethereum.
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post Jun 26 2021, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jun 26 2021, 06:35 PM)
sadly that's the new msrp from the manufacturer. Only will go back to old msrp when no more shortage on electronics

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post Jun 26 2021, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 26 2021, 02:06 PM)
I remember reading somewhere that 1440p dlss is quite pointless and may lose performance compared to native render. Only 4k with rtx on can truly benefit from it.
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As long as it is DLSS 2.x it's usable in 1440p and 1080p. One of the nicest thing about DLSS is it's a way better way to handle AA.

Control, Cyberpunk, fortnite, etc can see DLSS works really well. Though maybe shouldn't use DLSS on competitive long range shooting games because you need to see small small pixels of humans lol

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 26 2021, 06:38 PM)
will there be panic selling now? maybe not much. It's still profitable now, even after eip 1559 too. Some bigger miners are collecting more ETH to prepare for the ethereum transition to proof of stake and staking their collected ETHs. scheduled on early 2022, at that time GPU prices should go down alot.

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post Jun 27 2021, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 27 2021, 10:19 AM)
it's not black magic. DLSS is processing lower resolution graphics.
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it is black magic, because modern AI is just insanely good at upscaling try upscaling 480p to 1440p, the quality is way way better than expected. FidelityFX can't work well without enough pixels.
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post Jun 27 2021, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 27 2021, 12:48 PM)
wake me up when the AI can upscale jav mosaic  tongue.gif
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need to train it lol
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post Jun 27 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 27 2021, 01:54 PM)
Yes. Many TV 4K and 8K now also got upscaling tech that i dare say better than FSR lolol especially sony's which like DLSS, also using AI.

Also there are also hd to 4k remastering using AI nowadays.
. Pretty soon native render will be the past and AI upsampling will be in everything.

Infact image started it first then videos next and recently DLSS. Ipong has been using AI to denoise and sharpen their images ever since the first bionic processor.
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hopefully we will have low latency frame interpolation using AI soon, like doubling 60 to 120fps. Latency won't be as low as DLSS but at least give chance to low end cards to display higher fps haha

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post Jun 27 2021, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 27 2021, 02:51 PM)
Actually, already existed too. all these have already being in our lives without knowing until certain brands made a scene like as if they've made a breakthrough:lol:

For example check out george micheal's last xmas and a few freddie mercury and i think there are fan made hd remaster. Able to turn 24fps to youtube 60fps.
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yeah i know those converter exists, but it requires some processing power. It'll be cool to have it used realtime to double gaming fps without latency issues.
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post Jun 27 2021, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jun 27 2021, 03:09 PM)
Some TV has it real time already laugh.gif aka motion smoothing. It's not to everyone's liking.. albeit that was before AI. Now i dunno how it is but my LG 4KTV has something called trumotion which makes 24fps looks butter smooth but not fake like the old motion smoothing we used to see.
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yupp but there are input lag, that's why tv have game mode
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post Jun 28 2021, 09:58 AM

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people managed to put the newer DLSS 2.2 dll into other DLSS 2.0 games to get the improvement. They stated that 2.2 performance mode is acceptable now and when gaming can be comparable to quality mode of 2.0 (i.e. 720p DLSS to 1440p output)
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post Jun 28 2021, 07:39 PM

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copying the DLSS 2.2 works fine on cyberpunk, even balanced mode on 1440p works fine with some little bit shimmering that's rare.
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post Jun 28 2021, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(yaphong @ Jun 28 2021, 08:39 PM)
Not sure which model he gets, if he get ASUS Strix 3080 for 9k still ok.
Mining can cover la, but need to mine 24/7 to get like RM500 to RM600 per month based on today's price.
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just hold the coins if you are not short in cash

last time my leftover from 2017, worth less than rm200 at that time, became thousands with current rate
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post Jun 29 2021, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(cwk_lowyat @ Jun 29 2021, 02:42 AM)
Just asking, do you stake your crypto?
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if you mean stake by staking to earn more, no. That's just leftovers and i didn't bother to keep track. when eth proof of stake is online next year then can join staking pool to earn eth like current mining via eth staking.

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post Jun 29 2021, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(targon @ Jun 29 2021, 09:46 AM)
Don't try to get greedy with this stuff. Just keep what u have. Those ppl behaving like gamblers , true to the colour s. Crypto now is like a giant casino.
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oh, i didn't spend rm on it, just used what i had from mining when not using the pc to game that's all biggrin.gif

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