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FatalExe
post Dec 10 2020, 08:31 PM

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God forbid a state of the art, ray tracing focused game is demanding graphically.

Some people are just lol.

The 8800 GTX could only handle 30-45 fps on High back when it came out. Witcher 3 same story as mentioned above.

Is it really so strange that new games will get more and more demanding?

The worst part? Is that someone has been whining for days and weeks about every topic discussed here, acting condescending to strangers on the internet for having a different opinion.
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post Dec 10 2020, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Dec 10 2020, 08:36 PM)
Good to know 3080 can handle 1440p with ultra and still have RT, guess we really depend on DLSS for newer demanding games.
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Yeah.. average FPS is around 65fps in less dense areas. In the busiest part of the first open world area FPS tanks to 45fps due to insane amount of lights, props, characters, etc etc .

What's for sure is Chromatic Aberration and Film Grain, + Depth of Field must be turned off, or else the game just looks blurry. Also helps if you use the AMD Fidelity sharpening filter in the settings or use GeForce Overlay to further sharpen the image if you use DLSS.

I spent 3 hours just walking around the city admiring the graphics and atmosphere. It's really great. It helps that I understand Japanese and Chinese, so it's even more enjoyable.

The game does have some bugs especially for the NPCs, sometimes their models will just clip with each other, and scripting bugs where the model doesn't move but yet the dialogue continues.

It'll be fixed for sure so I'm not worried.

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post Dec 11 2020, 01:59 PM

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"More to come"

or, just reveal the full story before publishing lol.

Did Gamers Nexus ever revealed the full story of the Colorful situation other than his initial tweet?
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post Dec 11 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(h11g @ Dec 11 2020, 02:02 PM)
What story ?
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Colorful was unhappy because of his videos saying Colorful is not good in overclocking, and instead of talking to them privately, he just blasted them on twitter and started a boycott campaign. Apparently no PR representatives are allowed to question reviewers that receive their free cards biggrin.gif

As for Hardware Unboxed and countless other clickbait YouTubers with all the "NVIDIA is screwed" videos, they always neglect ray tracing as an afterthought which doesn't make sense since next gen will be full of RT titles.

This comment in Reddit sums it up:

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To play devils advocate, i can see why nvidia were pissed off based on HWUBs 6800xt launch video.

HWUB called RT basically a gimmick along with DLSS in that video, and only glossed over two titles, shadow of the tomb raider as well as dirt 5.

Fwiw even r/amd had quite a number of users questioning their methodology from the 6800xt video (6800xt 5% behind 3080, "the radeon does well to get close. 3080 1% behind 6800xt, "nvidia is in trouble.)

I dont necessarily agree with nvidia doing this but I can see why they are pissed off.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ka...web2x&context=3
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post Dec 11 2020, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(wolf1991 @ Dec 11 2020, 02:09 PM)
Lol. I don't think there are any story to be revealed. The conclusion is just nvidia not happy with the review and threaten them to do the way they like or else they won't support.

If there are more story then can just grab a popcorn and enjoy. Their review is quite good and detail, it's a bad marketing decision to simply ban them.

Probably nvidia now shifting the focus to social influencer who are not that technical  and to be fair red also doing the same thing. Just that I haven't heard about red ban any technical reviewer just because don't like what they said.
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As always, we don't know the correspondence between them to make a full judgment. Anyone who has experience in marketing and PR knows YouTubers and KOLs are troublesome to handle and communicate with due to their following, and often times ego related problems pop up as well.

Reviewers can still buy their own cards to review anyways. NVIDIA isn't a no-name company to rely on giving away free cards.

I don't want to generalize KOLs but I prefer knowing the full story before condemning either sides. I like HWUB videos for their nice charts and presentation.

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post Dec 11 2020, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(wolf1991 @ Dec 11 2020, 02:21 PM)
Ya you are right a lot more titles will be coming out with rt but I don't see anything wrong with their comment. If you look at cyberpunk2077, even rtx3090 struggling to run well with ray tracing even with dlss.

The reviewer are just saying what they think and I am agree that the rt was sort of nice to have but not essential at least for now. They are not suppose to question the reviewer but yet they did it and threaten them.

biggrin.gif anyway It's nvidia card and they have right to ban them. I just find it was bad marketing decision.
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Cards should struggle to run well for next gen experiences. That's how tech progresses.

Again, we don't know how the conversation looks like to say there is "threatening" behaviour. We don't even know if there's NDAs in place haha.

The first step of being independent is not receiving free cards, so it should be a good news tongue.gif

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post Dec 11 2020, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Dec 11 2020, 06:55 PM)
buying. dat dis ppl wont do. they will nvr buy. anytime u see a youtuber saying patreon shit etc. you be like basket go work and shit first and build your content.
year 2020 how many of these guys doing 4k hdr content..

also pretty dumb that nvidia rep to tell him that. its not like the dude going to change his style. just dont entertain.
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HDR, Ray Tracing, VR Gaming... Neglected topics by reviewers.

Aside from Digital Foundry and LTT, literally none of them even touched Half Life Alyx, a AAA, full Source 2 engine developed game lol.

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post Dec 12 2020, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Dec 12 2020, 03:15 AM)
Just start play Cyberpunk 2077. The graphics kind of nice, I can turn everything Maximum and no issue, playing is freaking smooth in 3440x1440 resolution using Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080.

What fuzz about this, I don't think it is very heavy, Probably the Nvidia DLSS do help a lot and I do turn it on with setting of Quality.
I didn't benchmark it but it is very smooth everywhere, no single hiccup.

I don't see this games required future better card as RTX 3080 can kick it off to maximum quality at 1440p.

Maybe 4K need, but in 4K, many new games do need future card not only this title. I didn't test in 4K and lazy test in 4K. Haha!
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Have ray tracing enabled? Also you need to get into the open world city first to get performance hit.

Also, I feel like people vastly ignores VRR or Gsync in gaming communities when talking about smoothness of a game.

GPU reviewers really don't know how to advance tech trends. Watching their videos now and years ago nothing changed lol. They just use their benchmark templates, read from their same script, and every content is rehashed.

Even their graphs are misleading because they don't test properly and just re-use their old data, not taking into account drivers or game version etc. Driver version ain't even mentioned in their reviews lol

At least variety tech channels like LTT covers the best they can for many new tech, whereas "dedicated" GPU reviewers like HWUB etc don't even do their dedicated jobs properly (yes it's their full time jobs)

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post Dec 12 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(xKeneshirox @ Dec 12 2020, 10:06 AM)
Tbh, the Zotac cards seem to be the most reasonably priced. (Plus Zotac gt their own flagship store). Anyone got experience with Galax or Colourful brands?

Though either way, I think 3080ti might be my card of choice. Good performance for gaming and the 20GB VRAM will be good for 3D rendering.
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I'm waiting for 3080ti also. Will probably sell my ASUS TUF 3080 if I can get the 3080ti. Oculus Link for VR uses alot of VRAM at above 4K resolution and with my LIV mixed reality and OBS setup, 10GB VRAM just isn't enough.

Can't wait for 4000 series already lol. Ray Tracing isn't even in VR yet, shit is going to get heavy in terms of GPU requirements

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post Dec 12 2020, 01:33 PM

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Another youtuber has joined in the NVIDIA drama. Apparently it was NVIDIA global PR director who personally ordered the HWUB early review ban.

Something tells me it's not as simple as that. I refuse to believe global PR director will react so heavily unless something bad happened in communications behind the scenes.

I hope all the YouTubers feel it's worth it to burn all bridges by involving in drama that they often have 0 idea of what happened behind the scenes, and I wonder how NVIDIA will react
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post Dec 12 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(amirhadzeem341 @ Dec 12 2020, 02:46 PM)
Because of this craziness (i have watched the recent WAN show as well) I cancelled my 3060 Ti order. I would rather prioritise integrity than personal interest. See you in January then.
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Considering your other choice is another billion dollar enterprise, pretty sure whichever product you buy will be same in terms of "integrity'' haha.

But it's your money, so it's up to you.
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post Dec 12 2020, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(wolf1991 @ Dec 12 2020, 03:28 PM)
Anyway, I notice something odd here. I understand this is nvidia subforum but I think some of the comment here are biased.

If this thing happen to amd sure a lot of ppl here saying amd evil this and that but when it happen to nvidia just a lot of people come out to defend them.

I don't understand why some people here not happy with the competition. If no competition and monopoly market by nvidia, then the price will go even worst.

To be fair, this is not applicable to nvidia only. If amd monopoly the market they will also charge more and this is the reality of business. So as consumer competition is good and there are no good or bad company. They just want your money at the end of the day. Like what I said previously 50/50 market share is the best and most balanced for consumer and I am more than happy if more player coming to graphic card market.

Anyway this is just my opinion. I am no amd or nvidia fanboy. I am just a normal consumer. To be fair, I think Amd Malaysia are suck as well as their price was set to ridiculous level of much higher than the msrp.
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No company is your friend, not even YouTubers.

I don't see any fanboy behaviour here so I'm not sure who you're referring to.

FYI, youtuber revenue and income exceeds millions per year. They are not "independent' by any means. They have their own agenda and they are not the consumers friend. Consumers need to realize this.

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post Dec 12 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 12 2020, 02:25 PM)
id say skip 3080Ti as well. next gen should be a better investment.
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Yeah I agree, maybe that's the better choice.

AMD is not usable/does poorly for VR as well, so NVIDIA is the only viable product.

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post Dec 14 2020, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(imceobichi @ Dec 14 2020, 03:43 PM)
Ordered an asus 3080 for 1440p gaming

Felt like an overkill

But 3070 seems underwhelming
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Wait for more games to have ray tracing and 3080 will be worth it.

Or get a high refresh rate monitor to take advantage of all the extra frames. Also, game fidelity is getting higher even at 1440p.

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post Dec 18 2020, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Dec 18 2020, 12:11 PM)
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Sony just pulled Cyberpunk2077 from it's PS Store and also offer full refund. For those that doesn't know, that NEVER happened before. Whatever shit show a game can be, Sony never ever do this before.

I'm just glad I'm able to play it in PC. Although I must say the experience can be ALOT better if not for the bugs and crashes. I really enjoy the graphic and the setting in CP2077. Also, I crank the graphics setting all the way. Ultra + Psycho. hahaha... Yes, I do stop and look around the city and surrounding all the time. LOL...
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Yeah graphics are unbelievably good. The verticality of the city and detailed buildings, restaurants, markets are incredible. It's the first PC game I have no issues with it being 45-60fps on a RTX3080 LOL. I do use a ReShade filter for sharpening and fog/haze reduction which causes FPS to be worse than stock settings.

And the side quests are so much better than other open world games. They actually have mini storylines and doing gigs can open up paths to more quests.

It's amazing how everything is immersive (especially if you love cyberpunk setting and you understand Japanese). It's not GTA open world level in terms of pedestrian and police AI and Fallout level of NPC interaction systems, but more like a hybrid between Fallout and GTA.

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post Dec 18 2020, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Icecoolz93 @ Dec 18 2020, 03:46 PM)
TBH actually alot high tier games game run well in PS4 is just how developers handling the compatibility issue I saw like alot game optimise well in PS4 Xbox since those similar game can have very good graphics on PC platform to.....
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Its the verticality of the open world and detailed props that makes it heavy to run. Last gen consoles (especially their CPUs) simply can't handle such a game.

They would have to totally downgrade the game to make it run at a stable 30fps on base PS4 and Xbox One. Those consoles are a liability to the next gen experience tbh. Same like Xbox being able to run cross-gen. The game also required a few more months of QA even for PC version.

I guess its due to CDPR being a public company - meaning shareholders pressure them to rush out the game before holiday 2020.. which is why its such a messy situation atm.
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QUOTE(Icecoolz93 @ Dec 18 2020, 05:00 PM)
Yes is a downgrade but you see the timeline since 7 years ago announce is meant to be ps4 & xbox but won't expect to be support for PS5 & Xbox Series X.......

But you see other games like ASSASSIN'S CREED VALHALLA & watch Dog Legion recent release support both old and new console still goes smoothly yes base PS4 model graphic quality lower but playable also open world games.....
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Can't compare a dense urban cyberpunk open world with tons of lighting effects with an open world game with recycled textures etc.

Watch dogs legion on base PS4 and Xbox one doesn't perform very well also, low 20 FPS at a dynamic resolution that can hit 540p I think. Not sure.

It's really time to move to next gen.

QUOTE(Icecoolz93 @ Dec 18 2020, 07:02 PM)
https://amp.hothardware.com/news/raspberry-...-2077-piboy-dmg

Big insult to concolse ps4 self made game boyish can play cyberpunk....
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It's a raspberry pi running Steam Link. Even my old PS Vita can play cyberpunk using Moonlight if that's the definition you want to use haha

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post Dec 20 2020, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 20 2020, 08:20 PM)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/kglp...tm_source=share
Can someone explain whats the fuss if asus now named under China not taiwan. Why mat salleh kecoh byk
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post Dec 20 2020, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Dec 20 2020, 08:26 PM)
Nobody posted this yet?


Same game assets, just plain improvement just from lighting. The last part in the car is really next generation difference.
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If you read the comments on Reddit and YouTube and etc, it seems ray tracing is now a political feature . Anyone who talks about ray tracing gets labelled as Nvidia paid shills, because AMD told them it's not important.

There are actually people with 100+ upvotes accusing Digital Foundry of being paid by NVIDIA for making too many ray tracing videos.

AMD and the other YouTubers laughing to the bank with the gaming community

In case someone gets offended, I'm not being very serious ^

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post Dec 20 2020, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 20 2020, 11:02 PM)
thing about RT is, will other studios put as much effort as CDPR to make RT a reality?
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I hope so. To push for mass adoption, the consumers themselves need to be vocal. Unfortunately consumers today are influenced and form their opinions like zombies and sheeps by KOLs and YouTubers, who majority of them publicly admitting they don't give a shit about RT, because of reasons.

I'm also waiting for RT to be implemented in VR. Imagine half life Alyx with RT lighting. The immersion would be incredible (it already is really incredible)

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