Haha..seem like I have done it earlier.Tried Bosch Premium X7 5w30 oil before but not really satisfied.Too much noise come from engine even its fully synthetic.Not from this brand.

Firstly Castrol mineral cant compared to Castrol Magnatec semi synthetic.Second even my experience come from Magnatec to Magnatec Start-Stop can feel much difference.Thats why I'm suggesting u right know.Maybe u can tell me later after u tried.Cheer

why dont they chnage to 5w30 haha? The city idsi manual stated 5w30 ? Sorry , I dont have the manual with me

This Shell Helix HX5 15W40 is one of the best and powerful mineral oils around with SN and ACEA A3B3, and I consider it as suitable for your Honda.
Unfortunately you find it a bit sluggish.
If you must move to a xW30 to improve engine 'sluggishness', then I recommend you another powerful mineral oil from Shell Helix HX5 10W30 SN ACEA A3B3

why dont you suggest semi-synthetic oil ?

Well ..... because of specifications ACEA A3B3, and to a certain extent oil change intervals,price and availability etc.
I'd used mineral HDEO dual rated with A3B4 in carburretter Wira for 8000-10000 km oil change.
I too had semisyn A3B4 in Avanza for 15000-16000 km oil change.
The fullsyn in Avanza today would be for a minimum of 16000 km, likely 18000-20000 for a start, IDK.

You may consider a semisyn A3B3/B4 if OCI exceeds say, 10,000 km.
What's your intended oil change interval , btw?

5k km

At 5k km, any mineral SN/SM/SL/SJ without ACEA A3B3/B4, whether branded or unbranded, would do.

For the same buying price, you could get SN A3B3 in branded Helix HX5 10W30 or 15W40 with the option to extend OCI beyond 5k km.

A typical A3B4 semisyn, as in a Magnatec Stop-Start 10W30 SN A3B4 would likely do > 10,000 km and beyond , but it generally costs more, even after discount , if any.


This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 5 2018, 09:40 AM

wow, mineral use for 8000-10000. and semi synthetic used for 15000-16000km? u must be joking

I would never be stingy on engine oil as the oil price you save cannot buy a new engine for you!!!!!! and the damage done is impossible to repair

I will stick to 5000km for mineral
7500 for semi
and 10000 for fully regardless of any brand

Mineral and mineral A3B4 are 2 different things.
So are semi synthetic and semi synthetic A3B4 are 2 different things.

Boss, Hilux Revo 2019, manual suggests 5W-30, ACEA B1-B5 or API CF & above, 5k km interval.

Also in the manual, same engine in countries that using diesel Euro5 & above, they suggest 0W-30 or 5W-30, ACEA C3 or ACEA B1-B5, 10,000 km interval.

I'm using Euro5 diesel, Helix Protect 0W-30, ACEA A3/B4. Is it possible to extend the interval to 10,000 km since I'm using supposedly cleaner diesel?

The engine oil is closing to 5k km, would submit the blotter test to your sub-forum for analysis to determine the engine oil's condition at 5k km.

Helix Protect 0W30 A3B4 is a fully synthetic with a minimum High Temperature High Stress HTHS Viscosity of 3.5 mPa.s .

10,000 km oil change interval is easy meat , could go further if you are adventurous imho.

B1-B5 has a lower minimum HTHS viscosity of 2.9 mPa.s , it may be ok in a turbo engine on light duty use but I personally prefer A3B4/C3 oils with higher min HTHS viscosity of 3.5 mPa.s with options to whack the Hilux turbo engine once in a while or for Italian tune-up.

Do consider a C3 in future at similar price point for its far superior additive requirements compared to A3B4 .

FYI , ACEA C3 was introduced into Europe market in 2004 in conjunction with Euro 4 diesel launch.Malaysia's diesel is Euro 5, go figure.

I am impressed with my several observations of cleaner/better blotter spot tests performance of C3 oils in petrol engines vs non-C3 oils in my thread so far.

This post has been edited by zeng: Apr 17 2021, 10:45 PM

🙏🏻 thanks a lot for the clarification sifu.

Regarding the manual's suggestion, I should rephrase B1-B5 as B1 through B5, so basically the Hilux can use B1, B2, B3, B4, & B5. If I'm not mistaken, B1 has been replaced with B5.

As for C3 oil, thanks for enlighten me on it's superior additives & performance, never really did researching on C class oil, cuz I've focusing on B class oil, hahah.
Regarding the difference between B4 oil & C3 oil, both have HTHS of 3.5, but B4 has TBN >10, & C3 has >6, doesn't it affects the acid neutralising capacity of the engine oil and thus it's oil change interval? As diesel produce more combustion acid than it's petrol counterpart.

The cheapest ori semi oil will be the perodua semi 5w30 from perodua SC.
Millions of maivees run this and didnt blow up.

High TBN HDEOs run for many tens of kms in metrobus fleet
Usually I run 15w40 delo400 for 10-15k, still working well.

Xw30 diesel EO is also another rarity
But as your engine oil spec needs only API CF, any good ol' CI spec HDEO will work fine for long OCIs. Running hour in jams also contribute to decision of OCI.

Hi,
Feel free to take a look at Petro-Canada Duron UHP (namely Ultra High Performance) 5W-30 API CK-4 Heavy Duty Engine Oil.
It has approval for Cummins' CES20086 and Volvo's VDS4.5.
https://lubricants.petro-canada.com/en-my/brand/duron-uhp

Also have Duron SHP (Super High Performance) 10W-30 API CK-4
https://lubricants.petro-canada.com/en-my/brand/duron-shp

This post has been edited by chemistry: Apr 19 2021, 02:20 AM

I agree with the two posters above suggesting use of HDEOs which typically carries additional OEM approvals , for your turbo diesel Hilux classified under Light Diesel vehicle.
API CI-4/ACEA E7 are high SaPS whilst API CJ-4/CK-4, ACEA E9 are mid SaPS HDEO's.

As regards ACEA B1-B5, C3 HTHS, TBN, acid neutralising properties etc which digresses from TS thread topic, I suggest to address it in my other thread on blotter spot tests in say, next 2 weeks or so and hope to keep you posted.