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post Feb 11 2018, 09:08 AM, updated 8y ago

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Hello all,

I don't know if you've heard of the Law of Attraction, but it's something that has found increased relevance in my mind recently as a way of thinking or living, and something that I wonder if members of LYN have thought about or sought out before.

In a very basic sense, the Law of Attraction concerns the notion or idea that one's thoughts are the fabric of reality, or the idea that the outcomes that a person thinks about will eventually be the ones that are realized.

Whether this is true or not? That's something that people discuss and debate. Some believe it, some don't, and others like me think that a person needs certain life experiences to appreciate the Law: The Law, in my opinion, is a guide toward achieving the goals of one's guide (and a very good one), but that even if someone is shown a door, it is senseless to think that one will achieve their goals if they fail to walk through it.

What do you think, and what are your thoughts and views on the Law of Attraction? Interested to hear your views, thoughts, and perspectives!


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post Feb 11 2018, 09:25 AM

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If anyone is interested or compelled to discuss this further, there is a WhatsApp group in which we discuss or think about the law of attraction and its implications.

If you're interested in joining, PM me your name and WhatsApp number!

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post Feb 11 2018, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 11 2018, 12:29 PM)
So how is Law of Attraction a real thing, or merely just a matter of opinion on how it should be defined? If it is the latter, then it's not so much of a "law", no? It would appear that a more accurate term would be "Presuppositions of Attraction", or "Hypotheses of Attraction", as opposed to calling it a "law".

Also it appears that the "Law of Attraction" has been called a pseudoscience, with misuse of scientific concepts by its proponents. Not something that attracts me to learn that fact.

Shermer, Michael (1 June 2007). "The (Other) Secret". Scientific American. Retrieved 31 March 2017.
Stenger, Victor J. "Cosmic Mind" (PDF). University of Colorado. pp. 8–19. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2015-09-24.
Leon Lederman; Dick Teresi (1993). The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, What is the Question. Houghton Mifflin Company. pp. 189–198.
Non-science posing as science; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attrac...n_(New_Thought)

The I.T. Crowd series portrays this in a rather humorous way as well:


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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Feb 11 2018, 12:48 PM)
The only real thug about law of attraction is that it conditions your mind in a certain way.

But without sufficient action it is merely bogus.

There is no evidence that the world will listen to your thoughts. But having a positive mindset and being proactive in getting things done will.

You can't just will an arm to grow back or get a girlfriend by staying in the room most of the time. Even if you think about attracting a girlfriend 24/7
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Agreed, the Law of Attraction as a standalone concept would be meaningless, and...


QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Feb 11 2018, 01:11 PM)
The concept of law of attraction by itself is useless.

Just thinking and willing something doesn't make it happen magically. There is no evidence that it will. You can't just think about being rich and not take action. The world will not just give you money.

So it's useless to just think about it 247 by yourself. You need action and massive action.
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Agreed. Action is 100% necessary, without action there is no result - Which is why I have started thinking of the law of attraction in this new and practical sense of directing one's thoughts. Can't get rich without taking actions, right?

QUOTE(Incarnation @ Feb 11 2018, 02:49 PM)
To achieve anything, you first have to think about it, believe that the universe will give you the best that you can have, then only you start to do it, and eventually you will get something that is related to your first thought.
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post Feb 12 2018, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 12 2018, 08:45 AM)
Then it wouldn't serve much purpose in this thread, wouldn't it? Nor the idea of a discussion nor a debate.
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You can refer to it as one thing or another, but I simply do not care enough to change "The Law of Attraction", which is what the phrase is known as, to something different. You can think of it in whatever way you prefer to call it, but it makes no difference to my decision or to the extent to which I care about your personal thought process concerning the issue, which is... Minimal. You can call it a hypothesis or you can call it a assertion or supposition. I am not interested enough in your semantics to believe that this warrants action or a debate on my part, lol.

Now, proceeding to a more civil discourse, one can indeed say that the "Law of Attraction" is not a "Law", but one can also say otherwise. One thing is for sure - The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.


QUOTE(Loverwin @ Feb 12 2018, 12:34 PM)
Not sure if this is law of attraction or not.

Last time when I was getting in my car, misplaced an important document on the car roof and drove off to client's place. About 10 min on the road, I was searching for the document then realized that i misplaced it on the car roof. Shit, with the hope of document still there, I quickly came out of the car to check. And yes, it's still there!! clamping to the upper car door edge. Seriously, I'm speechless but thankfully.

This is just one of multiple other occasion I've experience. What I learned is that anything that can happen, it will happen.
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I am not sure about the relationship with the Law of Attraction here. I personally don't think this is related, but I welcome other perspectives.


QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 01:14 PM)
Actually,  you made the point.

Problem is that you are dealing with a narcissist who actually thinks he is smart just because he learnt a new concept.

Actually it's funny though. I mean if the law of attraction is true then I guess people who wins the lottery must have done so with the expectation of winning it.

Actually,  if you discount his English,  he is actually very kampung like. He probably thought that he has already made it, the fact of the matter is,  he has a long long way to go.

You see,  narcissist like him are not looking for answers. He is probably looking for validation. And many of the people who are posting here are actually fueling it.

And also the funny claim that he is a Christian. I mean would a Christian actually ask this kind of question. He is probably a soulless being that is walking around looking for validation. It's pitiful actually. That someone actually thinks he has to be well qualified,  have useless opinions and knowledge,  to be successful. But then such people actually exist. I blame the education system for this. Prob is,  the more he asks,  the more he realizes how useless he is. He thinks he is knowledgeable just because of his academic kind of answers but then the irony is that many people his age actually knows what is relevant. All you can do is pity him actually. He probably thinks he hit the jackpot but then a swine is forever a swine. You see,  he will come to his actual level soon enough. Now how would you like this as law.

Of course,  my post would probably get deleted since this narc probably learnt how to use the delete button and it is probably a great achievement for him to learnt this. But then,  as long as I got my message across it's OK.
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Ok, and you were saying that these were important words...?

QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 03:19 PM)
Well. That's the insecurity that you have. Deleting my post only confirms what I said about you actually. In fact, deleting my post probably confirms that you are a fake christian and your insecurities. If I were you, I would not actually worry about me "trolling" you in the future. I would actually be worried about what position I am going to be pertaining to eternity which you like to talk so much. Because based on what you have written so far and your actions, it really does not look good for you pertaining to your position in eternity.

But then, you probably do not know the mechanics of the "delete" functionality.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...sult_type=posts
Anyone can read this to see whether or not I am really "trolling"

The thing is, I really do not care at this point what action the moderators decide to take. Because even if the moderators find a way to prevent me from posting by somehow tracing my ip adress, well lowyat isn't really my home. See, I do not really need to post here as I do not have insecurity issues like you.

And with your limited intellectual capacity, you perhaps did not realize that I can make you look stupid actually by creating another thread called "Why the law of Attraction does not make sense" and link it towards this thread and question the delete functionality. It will make you lose more credibility which you already do not have.

And yes, I am actually famous here. But then, I am famous not for trolling but then with actually making people hate me by countering their arguments with facts and solid argument. So calling me a troll is actually counter productive because it only tells the public that you are an unreasonable person that's all.

The thing is, when you delete other people's post, people gets more interested in reading that post actually. And most people in lowyat knows that they can actually read my "deleted" post by looking up my profile.
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Your post is here.

Anything else very educated that you want to share, o walking inferiority complex? Deleting your post confirms I'm a fake Christian? Sorry, not sure how any of that relates to Christianity or a holy book. You want to showcase which cult you're a part of that teaches this?

Funny, you say that you do not need to post here, but you carry on to every thread that I post in and make posts there. Why do you do that? Why do you follow my postings like an obsessed child, seeking for attention like a dog in thirst pants for water, attention that you know that you will never receive because I have no love for you? Do you desire my scathing rebukes because you enjoy being mocked or having your family, conscience, and your face pushed down into the mud, or did you simply never recover from the point at which I singled out your lack of educational attainment and pushed your face in the mud repeatedly even as you knew little or nothing about my actual life or any of the people that you insulted on this forum without regard for their life circumstances?

Each day and each post that goes by, my view of you becomes ever more dim, and nobody showcases interest in replying to you because your points are dull, your intelligence appears limited, and nobody is interested in socializing with you because your posts are either out of context or lack evidence of intellectual capacity.

As far as my life is concerned, if you do not post in my threads, I have no need or desire to engage you. You do not seem to understand this very basic principle! Start your thread please, because I will know then how invested you are in what I have to say ^^

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post Feb 12 2018, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 03:45 PM)
Wow. Deleted my post and still have the cheeck to reply.
You sure are stupid.
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It's 'cheek', genius boy smile.gif
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post Feb 12 2018, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 12 2018, 04:24 PM)
Except that it's not really semantics. If the Law of Attraction isn't really a law and it's really more of a hypothesis or merely a presupposition, then by the definition alone, it could not be something that is true. Unless it can be proven that it is indeed a law the same way how other physical laws that can be reproducible, then it isn't really a "law", and if it isn't really a law, then the notion of entertaining it to be a true idea would to make a blatant assumption that a presupossition or a hypthesis is also true, which they're not.

In addition, you have also mentioned that "The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.". May I ask why is that, or rather, how do you know that to be sure? Not only this requires a better explanation, but also an elaboration on exactly what is the "something" a person has to choose and experience in life. I'm sure all of us make choices either way in our lives, but I can't exactly connect to what you've said about this "Law of Attracttion" that you speak of.

Are you by any chance hinting that, in order to know whether the "Law of Attraction" is true or not, one has to "choose" and "experience" it? If so, how do you exactly "choose" and "experience" this particular "Law"? Was it through psychological affirmation that you will get what you want? What if you did not get what you want? Does that mean the "choice" and "experience" made was somehow inefficient? If so, how? If a child in Africa has the psychological affirmation that they want to eat something to stay alive but ended up dying because they can't find any food, was it because they had a "bad attitude" throughout their phychological affirmations?

Way too many holes in a so-called "law", and it would be even more dubious if it's not exactly something that we can test and research on it.

And colloquially, it does sound similar to what we used to call "wishful thinking", and if this "law" is supposed to be different, I would like to see how it is so.
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Um no, I'm saying that I'm going to call it the Law of Attraction regardless of what you think.
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post Feb 12 2018, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(UpsideDownYeah @ Feb 12 2018, 04:11 PM)
What you attract , what you are attracted to - its all predestined as life is .

We have the illusion to make choices and being in control but it leads to the same final destination.

Just a thought , may have a diff opinion next time.
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Also possible, but I don't think it is within the human domain of knowledge to have perfect knowledge of whether it is predestination or freedom of choice. In practical terms, you can probably live your life as if either applies but nonetheless have mental consistency...
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QUOTE(santik @ Feb 13 2018, 11:01 AM)
I believe in it, need to stay positive and let universe works it way while I strive and work towards my goals. Take the leap and keep thinking of what to achieve.

Conscious mind - subconscious mind - body.
Have to change my paradigm to think positive in order for LoA to work well. Consciously need to take away negative and replace with positive, affirm myself and think, visualize that already achieved it, then subconsciously will keep that good vibrations and project such into the universe. Thus your body will action in the direction of the goal, the potential opportunities and chances of something to happen as per goal.

Btw, have you seen signs of manifestation? Certain numbers repetition appears frequently? 1111, 333, 777?
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Hmm, that has happened before, but it was actually before I had started to learn about the law of attraction. It was probably a teaser to it I suppose, but there was a time when I would see the number 42 everywhere. Lecture slides, street signs, car number plates, the timing of specific events. Less so nowadays though, but it showcases that LoA can indeed be a very specific form of confirmation bias.


QUOTE(Lyu @ Feb 13 2018, 12:42 PM)
The Law of Attraction is powerful
I have been introduced to it by my senior kolik

What a theory
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Yeah, there are coaches for Law of Attraction amongst other things (though there are coaches for everything), and the Law itself has a strong ability to bring you into contact with people that can help you to bring your desired outcome into realization.

QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 13 2018, 04:47 PM)
By risking cognitive dissonance of how the definition of the word "law" in the "Law of Attraction" that may contradict with the other laws, particularly the laws of physics that we know?

Or the correct question would be, why would you be making an exception with this "law" and call it a "law" anyway? I think I would rather listen to your side of reasoning first.
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Law of Attraction is a proper noun. Happy? Better be, it's not going to change.

QUOTE(JonSpark @ Feb 14 2018, 01:30 AM)
I spent some time on reddit's LoA sub

Now I'm practicing with my own "modified" method.

Instead of letting go, I just pretend whatever I intend to happen have already happened.

So far so good, small things have manifested. Haven't gone big yet.
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That is the way I have thought about it and continue to think about it - For example, you can think about yourself having a target amount of knowledge, resources, or physical strength, and having already attained it, which I do on a regular basis.

The more I think about how my life would change, the less I feel that it would, because my life process would broadly remain the same - It happened the same way when I was poorer just a few months ago, and what I have gained I expect will not fundamentally change me.... Or perhaps it is because the change is actively taking place but it is taking place subtly and I am already on the path to achieving my goals.

I do integrate it with prayer as well and recognise that no matter what I expect, it is God that does the work, creates the circumstances, and puts my mind and heart in a place where I am capable of receiving.

QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 08:06 AM)
Of course you can call it whatever you like, but being a law there are some requirements to it, at least it has to be worded precisely so it is not wide opened to wild interpretation and if it is about physical reality, the statement must contain the quality of a mathematical formula. So far it feels the law is subjective, the wishy-washy nature of anecdotal experience brought to bear and opinions that are only skin deep.
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And mathematics has the profound quality of describing reality in all of its ways? Please say more!

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 09:06 AM)
Because mathematics is the language of God. It is also the language which can be used to refute confirmation bias.
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Ok, many questions opening up here 😅

A) Language of God? Aren't you an atheist?
B) And how exactly does mathematics refute confirmation bias?
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QUOTE(Malta @ Feb 14 2018, 10:13 AM)
I do believe in law of attraction. It really does happen if you really take notice. Like many have said, when you want something and think and visualise about it, sooner or later, it will come true. But of course with some action and effort.

It can happen as easy as, for example, sometimes when I think about a sports car, a really rare sports car to see in my town. Few days later suddenly that exact sports car drive past by. Note that it's really rare and hard to see any sports car in my town.

What I'm trying to say is, our mind attracts what we think and visualise.
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Hmmm, this happened the other day with another friend of mine, wherein we were having a conversation about LoA (it is starting to be a frequent topic in our groups), and he saw someone that he had happened to think about.... But I don't know if that is just coincidence or indeed this is one of the expected parts of LoA. Coincidence and fate are difficult to differentiate.


QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 14 2018, 12:10 PM)
Not if it doesn't reflect reality. If something that is full of anecdotal fallacies can be called a "law", exactly what's stopping from every prepositions, assumptions, and hypotheses to also be called a "law"?
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Absolutely nothing. It's not your choice what other people decide on. smile.gif

P.S. I think you mean propositions, lol

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QUOTE(santik @ Feb 14 2018, 12:44 PM)
I have been seeing number 86, 333 and 777 lately. They have their meanings if you look them up, but it also depends on the person's significance to the number.

My car has number 86 behind, I drove to the lake park for a walk. Gone though second hand car dealers along the way, noticed few 86 cars. Then towards the lake park traffic light, I looked left saw 86 on parked car, I went "What the hell?" and turned right then saw another 86 car opposite junction. It felt strange.

I took note that I will see 86 when I generally feel glad, contented, hopeful looking forward. I believe that I am positive and have good energy now thus I have shifted my subconscious mind to accept the universe and detach from outcome. Which that caused person to have a confirmation bias, subconsciously. Good high vibrations of the mind would tend to look out for good things subconsciously and thus land  the person in the direction or chance of something to manifest.

That is my theory from what I have studied, researched and experienced so far.
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Numbers lead you to manifestations? Eh, possibly. The number 42 does appear in a few parts of my life. Had to finish 42 classes to graduate from university, mum was 42 when she gave birth to me, etc. Thinking back, I don't think I would have seen my case as manifestation of specific outcomes as much as manifestations of the number itself because I had assumed that it would come about on a daily basis... Which it did. Craziest instance was when I saw it happen through a 30 day period, inclusive of a single Uber ride on a street where I saw the number at least 200 times throughout the course of an hour, a wrestling coach who called himself #42 waiting outside a bus stop on my way to school, a couple in KLIA who had met at age 42 and decided to travel around the world leaving their car in South Africa, etc. I could go on and on.

Now that I don't think about it as much, the number does not showcase as much. I must say, however, that even if it doesn't showcase that something apart from the number itself will manifest that this case does illustrate the law of attraction in action and as a matter of simple practice with something that is concrete.

Will this work with other things in life? Well, that's what you're here to find out, isn't it?

QUOTE(SummerSkyLuxe @ Feb 14 2018, 01:49 PM)
In my experience, I've done some manifestation exercises before and it has worked for me. Mostly for career and finances, I asked for someone to accept my deal, hoping to get more orders and the like. One thing I'll say is that doing them is not easy at all, needs a lot of positive energy to carry through.
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Definitely. You have to control your emotions and your thoughts, which is made a lot easier if you have evidence that convinces you of manifestation in your past. I think that this is the state that I am in now (having evidence), and I will continue to direct my attention toward achieving what I have already attained.

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 02:29 PM)
A) It depends on your point of view, whether mathematics is discovered or invented
B) Statistical analysis
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A) Can you clarify?
B) Can you clarify?
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 02:41 PM)
A)No
B)No
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 04:00 PM)
If this is true unnaturally, the world will be ripped apart. Of course if you are hard working and resourceful, smart and informed, you can get what you want. Are these not the traits of successful men and women?
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And what do any of these traits have to do with whether a person practices the Law of Attraction or not?
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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 04:46 PM)
What do you think?
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I earlier considered speaking about the traits of some of the people I know of who practice the law of attraction, but later reconsidered because I think or feel that you may not consider any of this relevant information. However, I can say that all of these people are well-functioning adults, and leave it at that.

Oh, and speaking of manifestations:

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QUOTE(Spear2 @ Feb 14 2018, 04:57 PM)
It just like the law of karma, explanation given after the facts.

I was spikemarlene and I joined  and mumbled into this forum since 2008, but my old account was crippled for whatever reason unknown, but I would like to think it's alien working behind the scene trying to shut me down for mumbling too much ... Oh HCNY to you too.
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Thank you, hope you will have a wonderful, prosperous CNY with your family this year, and welcome back! Approximately 200 posts per month is quite an achievement! (Y)

Concerning the people who practice the law of attraction, for all intents and purposes, you can assume that they are just normal people like you and me and they just happen to practice the law of attraction for whatever reason - The reason I say this is, the traits of other people are not so important concerning your decision to practice the law of attraction or not, because whether I had pointed to successes or had pointed to failures, you would only be able to point to those traits as correlation and not causation or explicit disconfirmation of the validity of the Law of Attraction.

As far as I can see, the only way for you to validate the Law of Attraction through your experiences is to try it ^^

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 14 2018, 05:22 PM)
In that case, what's true or false, and what's real and unreal would have lost their meaning, if people get to decide in accordance to their whims as opposed to reality. Should we allow people to assume that 1 + 1 = 5, or that people would not get hurt from jumping off from the 14th floor after hitting on solid concrete, are we supposed to allow them to think that it is all equally true and should perhaps, be called a "law" then? It's madness.
Yes, thanks for the correction of typo.
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Not specifically related to the Law of Attraction, but speaking of deciding on the basis of whims... People have been doing that for years. Is this new to you? confused.gif confused.gif

You are welcome.

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 14 2018, 05:31 PM)
No, it's not new, but it doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do. That would be an appeal to tradition fallacy.
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QUOTE(santik @ Feb 14 2018, 06:22 PM)
This is my own understanding and research so far.

As according to Bob Proctor's concept:
External stimuli(human senses) - [conscious mind|subconscious mind](paradigm) - body(action).
The universe is abundant, everything and anything had already exist; pending manifestation.

Before LoA there is Law of Vibration, LoA is 2nd law. Positive outlook, positive thoughts, positive feelings, positive actions of a person has a higher vibration or energy; where people and surroundings can feel or sense it, thus allowing the universe to align and have it happened; this refers to the Emotional Guidance System.

LoA is to program your conscious mind and subconscious mind to think and visualise positivity; the body will then and require to take action to achieve the goal, while 'allowing' the universe to align itself towards the person's goal. As a person who is positively thinking of having something strongly tends to land themselves in it. A negative person would mostly be stuck in unfavourable events as their believe is on the opposite of what they want and fixated on the want. They may want "something good" but their own negativity and doubts would also reflect in their actions and decisions, thus the goals won't manifest or manifest halfway partially.

Successful men and women works towards their goals, they would be positive, have tenacity and not giving up easily, thought patterns of if not this then something else better. A positive person and has thoughts of confidence towards their goal, works towards their goals (directly or indirectly), where they will tend to get good opportunities or by nature choose the right timing, choices, people. I presume most successful people have the thinking of something possible and really work towards their goals.

As per my study, the requirement for LoA is to believe in it without doubt, there is no try to believe; a person have to believe in it without obsession of the goal and detachment of the outcome. AFAIK, IMHO, LoA is a little metaphysics, pseudoscience, placebo type of study of as it needs human belief and trust. As it involve human mind and thinking where is hard to quantify and one thinking can differ to another person, they can have the same goal but different agenda.
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Brilliantly explained! Yes, this is one way of thinking of the LoA that incorporates the possibility that it may be a confirmation bias, showcases the practical effect of practicing LoA, but does not excuse a person from practicing it in order to achieve the results that are promised, even if the person himself does not necessarily call it LoA or otherwise smile.gif

Will continue forward with this. Thank you for your insight and your research!

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Out of curiosity, what books have you read about this topic? Am partway through the work of Jerry and Esther Hicks (I just started pursuing this journey more extensively), but currently duty calls and I have to learn about development finance and development banks tongue.gif

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