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post Feb 11 2018, 09:08 AM, updated 8y ago

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Hello all,

I don't know if you've heard of the Law of Attraction, but it's something that has found increased relevance in my mind recently as a way of thinking or living, and something that I wonder if members of LYN have thought about or sought out before.

In a very basic sense, the Law of Attraction concerns the notion or idea that one's thoughts are the fabric of reality, or the idea that the outcomes that a person thinks about will eventually be the ones that are realized.

Whether this is true or not? That's something that people discuss and debate. Some believe it, some don't, and others like me think that a person needs certain life experiences to appreciate the Law: The Law, in my opinion, is a guide toward achieving the goals of one's guide (and a very good one), but that even if someone is shown a door, it is senseless to think that one will achieve their goals if they fail to walk through it.

What do you think, and what are your thoughts and views on the Law of Attraction? Interested to hear your views, thoughts, and perspectives!


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post Feb 11 2018, 09:25 AM

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If anyone is interested or compelled to discuss this further, there is a WhatsApp group in which we discuss or think about the law of attraction and its implications.

If you're interested in joining, PM me your name and WhatsApp number!

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post Feb 11 2018, 12:29 PM

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So how is Law of Attraction a real thing, or merely just a matter of opinion on how it should be defined? If it is the latter, then it's not so much of a "law", no? It would appear that a more accurate term would be "Presuppositions of Attraction", or "Hypotheses of Attraction", as opposed to calling it a "law".

Also it appears that the "Law of Attraction" has been called a pseudoscience, with misuse of scientific concepts by its proponents. Not something that attracts me to learn that fact.

Shermer, Michael (1 June 2007). "The (Other) Secret". Scientific American. Retrieved 31 March 2017.
Stenger, Victor J. "Cosmic Mind" (PDF). University of Colorado. pp. 8–19. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2015-09-24.
Leon Lederman; Dick Teresi (1993). The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, What is the Question. Houghton Mifflin Company. pp. 189–198.
Non-science posing as science; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attrac...n_(New_Thought)

The I.T. Crowd series portrays this in a rather humorous way as well:



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post Feb 11 2018, 12:48 PM

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The only real thug about law of attraction is that it conditions your mind in a certain way.

But without sufficient action it is merely bogus.

There is no evidence that the world will listen to your thoughts. But having a positive mindset and being proactive in getting things done will.

You can't just will an arm to grow back or get a girlfriend by staying in the room most of the time. Even if you think about attracting a girlfriend 24/7
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post Feb 11 2018, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(fkmfkm @ Feb 11 2018, 01:06 PM)
Its about yourself...nothing to do with others...
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The concept of law of attraction by itself is useless.

Just thinking and willing something doesn't make it happen magically. There is no evidence that it will. You can't just think about being rich and not take action. The world will not just give you money.

So it's useless to just think about it 247 by yourself. You need action and massive action.
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post Feb 11 2018, 02:49 PM

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To achieve anything, you first have to think about it, believe that the universe will give you the best that you can have, then only you start to do it, and eventually you will get something that is related to your first thought.

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post Feb 11 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Incarnation @ Feb 11 2018, 02:49 PM)
To achieve anything, you first have to think about it, believe that the universe will give you the best that you can have, then only you start to do it, and eventually you will get something that is related to your first thought.
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That's just conventional common sense, without the need to involve the universe.
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Feb 11 2018, 06:29 PM
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AFAIK: believe, trust, think and action.
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post Feb 11 2018, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 11 2018, 12:29 PM)
So how is Law of Attraction a real thing, or merely just a matter of opinion on how it should be defined? If it is the latter, then it's not so much of a "law", no? It would appear that a more accurate term would be "Presuppositions of Attraction", or "Hypotheses of Attraction", as opposed to calling it a "law".

Also it appears that the "Law of Attraction" has been called a pseudoscience, with misuse of scientific concepts by its proponents. Not something that attracts me to learn that fact.

Shermer, Michael (1 June 2007). "The (Other) Secret". Scientific American. Retrieved 31 March 2017.
Stenger, Victor J. "Cosmic Mind" (PDF). University of Colorado. pp. 8–19. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2015-09-24.
Leon Lederman; Dick Teresi (1993). The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, What is the Question. Houghton Mifflin Company. pp. 189–198.
Non-science posing as science; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attrac...n_(New_Thought)

The I.T. Crowd series portrays this in a rather humorous way as well:


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...Don't really care, lol.

QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Feb 11 2018, 12:48 PM)
The only real thug about law of attraction is that it conditions your mind in a certain way.

But without sufficient action it is merely bogus.

There is no evidence that the world will listen to your thoughts. But having a positive mindset and being proactive in getting things done will.

You can't just will an arm to grow back or get a girlfriend by staying in the room most of the time. Even if you think about attracting a girlfriend 24/7
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Agreed, the Law of Attraction as a standalone concept would be meaningless, and...


QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Feb 11 2018, 01:11 PM)
The concept of law of attraction by itself is useless.

Just thinking and willing something doesn't make it happen magically. There is no evidence that it will. You can't just think about being rich and not take action. The world will not just give you money.

So it's useless to just think about it 247 by yourself. You need action and massive action.
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Agreed. Action is 100% necessary, without action there is no result - Which is why I have started thinking of the law of attraction in this new and practical sense of directing one's thoughts. Can't get rich without taking actions, right?

QUOTE(Incarnation @ Feb 11 2018, 02:49 PM)
To achieve anything, you first have to think about it, believe that the universe will give you the best that you can have, then only you start to do it, and eventually you will get something that is related to your first thought.
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Yes!
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post Feb 12 2018, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(Exoflare @ Feb 11 2018, 06:52 PM)
...Don't really care, lol.
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Then it wouldn't serve much purpose in this thread, wouldn't it? Nor the idea of a discussion nor a debate.
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Not sure if this is law of attraction or not.

Last time when I was getting in my car, misplaced an important document on the car roof and drove off to client's place. About 10 min on the road, I was searching for the document then realized that i misplaced it on the car roof. Shit, with the hope of document still there, I quickly came out of the car to check. And yes, it's still there!! clamping to the upper car door edge. Seriously, I'm speechless but thankfully.

This is just one of multiple other occasion I've experience. What I learned is that anything that can happen, it will happen.
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post Feb 12 2018, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 12 2018, 08:45 AM)
Then it wouldn't serve much purpose in this thread, wouldn't it? Nor the idea of a discussion nor a debate.
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You can refer to it as one thing or another, but I simply do not care enough to change "The Law of Attraction", which is what the phrase is known as, to something different. You can think of it in whatever way you prefer to call it, but it makes no difference to my decision or to the extent to which I care about your personal thought process concerning the issue, which is... Minimal. You can call it a hypothesis or you can call it a assertion or supposition. I am not interested enough in your semantics to believe that this warrants action or a debate on my part, lol.

Now, proceeding to a more civil discourse, one can indeed say that the "Law of Attraction" is not a "Law", but one can also say otherwise. One thing is for sure - The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.


QUOTE(Loverwin @ Feb 12 2018, 12:34 PM)
Not sure if this is law of attraction or not.

Last time when I was getting in my car, misplaced an important document on the car roof and drove off to client's place. About 10 min on the road, I was searching for the document then realized that i misplaced it on the car roof. Shit, with the hope of document still there, I quickly came out of the car to check. And yes, it's still there!! clamping to the upper car door edge. Seriously, I'm speechless but thankfully.

This is just one of multiple other occasion I've experience. What I learned is that anything that can happen, it will happen.
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I am not sure about the relationship with the Law of Attraction here. I personally don't think this is related, but I welcome other perspectives.


QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 01:14 PM)
Actually,  you made the point.

Problem is that you are dealing with a narcissist who actually thinks he is smart just because he learnt a new concept.

Actually it's funny though. I mean if the law of attraction is true then I guess people who wins the lottery must have done so with the expectation of winning it.

Actually,  if you discount his English,  he is actually very kampung like. He probably thought that he has already made it, the fact of the matter is,  he has a long long way to go.

You see,  narcissist like him are not looking for answers. He is probably looking for validation. And many of the people who are posting here are actually fueling it.

And also the funny claim that he is a Christian. I mean would a Christian actually ask this kind of question. He is probably a soulless being that is walking around looking for validation. It's pitiful actually. That someone actually thinks he has to be well qualified,  have useless opinions and knowledge,  to be successful. But then such people actually exist. I blame the education system for this. Prob is,  the more he asks,  the more he realizes how useless he is. He thinks he is knowledgeable just because of his academic kind of answers but then the irony is that many people his age actually knows what is relevant. All you can do is pity him actually. He probably thinks he hit the jackpot but then a swine is forever a swine. You see,  he will come to his actual level soon enough. Now how would you like this as law.

Of course,  my post would probably get deleted since this narc probably learnt how to use the delete button and it is probably a great achievement for him to learnt this. But then,  as long as I got my message across it's OK.
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Ok, and you were saying that these were important words...?

QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 03:19 PM)
Well. That's the insecurity that you have. Deleting my post only confirms what I said about you actually. In fact, deleting my post probably confirms that you are a fake christian and your insecurities. If I were you, I would not actually worry about me "trolling" you in the future. I would actually be worried about what position I am going to be pertaining to eternity which you like to talk so much. Because based on what you have written so far and your actions, it really does not look good for you pertaining to your position in eternity.

But then, you probably do not know the mechanics of the "delete" functionality.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...sult_type=posts
Anyone can read this to see whether or not I am really "trolling"

The thing is, I really do not care at this point what action the moderators decide to take. Because even if the moderators find a way to prevent me from posting by somehow tracing my ip adress, well lowyat isn't really my home. See, I do not really need to post here as I do not have insecurity issues like you.

And with your limited intellectual capacity, you perhaps did not realize that I can make you look stupid actually by creating another thread called "Why the law of Attraction does not make sense" and link it towards this thread and question the delete functionality. It will make you lose more credibility which you already do not have.

And yes, I am actually famous here. But then, I am famous not for trolling but then with actually making people hate me by countering their arguments with facts and solid argument. So calling me a troll is actually counter productive because it only tells the public that you are an unreasonable person that's all.

The thing is, when you delete other people's post, people gets more interested in reading that post actually. And most people in lowyat knows that they can actually read my "deleted" post by looking up my profile.
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Your post is here.

Anything else very educated that you want to share, o walking inferiority complex? Deleting your post confirms I'm a fake Christian? Sorry, not sure how any of that relates to Christianity or a holy book. You want to showcase which cult you're a part of that teaches this?

Funny, you say that you do not need to post here, but you carry on to every thread that I post in and make posts there. Why do you do that? Why do you follow my postings like an obsessed child, seeking for attention like a dog in thirst pants for water, attention that you know that you will never receive because I have no love for you? Do you desire my scathing rebukes because you enjoy being mocked or having your family, conscience, and your face pushed down into the mud, or did you simply never recover from the point at which I singled out your lack of educational attainment and pushed your face in the mud repeatedly even as you knew little or nothing about my actual life or any of the people that you insulted on this forum without regard for their life circumstances?

Each day and each post that goes by, my view of you becomes ever more dim, and nobody showcases interest in replying to you because your points are dull, your intelligence appears limited, and nobody is interested in socializing with you because your posts are either out of context or lack evidence of intellectual capacity.

As far as my life is concerned, if you do not post in my threads, I have no need or desire to engage you. You do not seem to understand this very basic principle! Start your thread please, because I will know then how invested you are in what I have to say ^^

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post Feb 12 2018, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(DrNinja @ Feb 12 2018, 03:45 PM)
Wow. Deleted my post and still have the cheeck to reply.
You sure are stupid.
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What you attract , what you are attracted to - its all predestined as life is .

We have the illusion to make choices and being in control but it leads to the same final destination.

Just a thought , may have a diff opinion next time.
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QUOTE(Exoflare @ Feb 12 2018, 03:43 PM)
You can refer to it as one thing or another, but I simply do not care enough to change "The Law of Attraction", which is what the phrase is known as, to something different. You can think of it in whatever way you prefer to call it, but it makes no difference to my decision or to the extent to which I care about your personal thought process concerning the issue, which is... Minimal. You can call it a hypothesis or you can call it a assertion or supposition. I am not interested enough in your semantics to believe that this warrants action or a debate on my part, lol.

Now, proceeding to a more civil discourse, one can indeed say that the "Law of Attraction" is not a "Law", but one can also say otherwise. One thing is for sure - The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.
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Except that it's not really semantics. If the Law of Attraction isn't really a law and it's really more of a hypothesis or merely a presupposition, then by the definition alone, it could not be something that is true. Unless it can be proven that it is indeed a law the same way how other physical laws that can be reproducible, then it isn't really a "law", and if it isn't really a law, then the notion of entertaining it to be a true idea would to make a blatant assumption that a presupossition or a hypthesis is also true, which they're not.

In addition, you have also mentioned that "The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.". May I ask why is that, or rather, how do you know that to be sure? Not only this requires a better explanation, but also an elaboration on exactly what is the "something" a person has to choose and experience in life. I'm sure all of us make choices either way in our lives, but I can't exactly connect to what you've said about this "Law of Attracttion" that you speak of.

Are you by any chance hinting that, in order to know whether the "Law of Attraction" is true or not, one has to "choose" and "experience" it? If so, how do you exactly "choose" and "experience" this particular "Law"? Was it through psychological affirmation that you will get what you want? What if you did not get what you want? Does that mean the "choice" and "experience" made was somehow inefficient? If so, how? If a child in Africa has the psychological affirmation that they want to eat something to stay alive but ended up dying because they can't find any food, was it because they had a "bad attitude" throughout their phychological affirmations?

Way too many holes in a so-called "law", and it would be even more dubious if it's not exactly something that we can test and research on it.

And colloquially, it does sound similar to what we used to call "wishful thinking", and if this "law" is supposed to be different, I would like to see how it is so.

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post Feb 12 2018, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Feb 12 2018, 04:24 PM)
Except that it's not really semantics. If the Law of Attraction isn't really a law and it's really more of a hypothesis or merely a presupposition, then by the definition alone, it could not be something that is true. Unless it can be proven that it is indeed a law the same way how other physical laws that can be reproducible, then it isn't really a "law", and if it isn't really a law, then the notion of entertaining it to be a true idea would to make a blatant assumption that a presupossition or a hypthesis is also true, which they're not.

In addition, you have also mentioned that "The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.". May I ask why is that, or rather, how do you know that to be sure? Not only this requires a better explanation, but also an elaboration on exactly what is the "something" a person has to choose and experience in life. I'm sure all of us make choices either way in our lives, but I can't exactly connect to what you've said about this "Law of Attracttion" that you speak of.

Are you by any chance hinting that, in order to know whether the "Law of Attraction" is true or not, one has to "choose" and "experience" it? If so, how do you exactly "choose" and "experience" this particular "Law"? Was it through psychological affirmation that you will get what you want? What if you did not get what you want? Does that mean the "choice" and "experience" made was somehow inefficient? If so, how? If a child in Africa has the psychological affirmation that they want to eat something to stay alive but ended up dying because they can't find any food, was it because they had a "bad attitude" throughout their phychological affirmations?

Way too many holes in a so-called "law", and it would be even more dubious if it's not exactly something that we can test and research on it.

And colloquially, it does sound similar to what we used to call "wishful thinking", and if this "law" is supposed to be different, I would like to see how it is so.
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QUOTE(UpsideDownYeah @ Feb 12 2018, 04:11 PM)
What you attract , what you are attracted to - its all predestined as life is .

We have the illusion to make choices and being in control but it leads to the same final destination.

Just a thought , may have a diff opinion next time.
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Also possible, but I don't think it is within the human domain of knowledge to have perfect knowledge of whether it is predestination or freedom of choice. In practical terms, you can probably live your life as if either applies but nonetheless have mental consistency...
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I believe in it, need to stay positive and let universe works it way while I strive and work towards my goals. Take the leap and keep thinking of what to achieve.

Conscious mind - subconscious mind - body.
Have to change my paradigm to think positive in order for LoA to work well. Consciously need to take away negative and replace with positive, affirm myself and think, visualize that already achieved it, then subconsciously will keep that good vibrations and project such into the universe. Thus your body will action in the direction of the goal, the potential opportunities and chances of something to happen as per goal.

Btw, have you seen signs of manifestation? Certain numbers repetition appears frequently? 1111, 333, 777?

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