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TSmissysleepy
post Feb 2 2018, 06:55 PM, updated 8y ago

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I realized that being given the opportunity to upgrade to 50mb package with Ruby package laast time for RM 189 don't seem to be worth it.

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the connection for wifi using old router still buffer even though it's 50mb speed. If viewing video streaming on upper flour is even bad.
I just like to know what other things that is disadvantage to me when using old dlink Dir615 router? Am i maximizing the speed of 50mb or should i request TM to replace a new model which can provide better coverage and speed.

thanks
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post Feb 2 2018, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 2 2018, 06:55 PM)
I realized that being given the opportunity to upgrade to 50mb package with Ruby package laast time for RM 189 don't seem to be worth it.

Y?
the connection for wifi using old router still buffer even though it's 50mb speed. If viewing video streaming on upper flour is even bad.
I just like to know what other things that is disadvantage to me when using old dlink Dir615 router? Am i maximizing the speed of 50mb or should i request TM to replace a new model which can provide better coverage and speed.

thanks
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The router comes with 3 dBi antenna. Next, the best place to place a router is at the high place if you're in double story house. If you place the router at the downstairs, then you won't get much signals. The default flow of the signal flows downwards from the antenna not upwards, and that is why some of the manufacturer advises the user to put the router at a high place. Next, if you are staying in a residential area, your wireless network will be congested since the old dir615 ONLY transmitting 2.4GHz band. With the cute and tiny antenna, you're directing the signal to downwards. next, if you wish to use stock isp router, yes you can request if you agree to extend your contract for one more year. Or you can invest some bucks to buy a decent router that might suits you and your family usage. A dual band router were suggested since it can broadcast dual band signals. Do note that the 5ghz signal is shorter in range compared with 2.4ghz. The cheapest dual band router you can get is from tenda, and if you want a reliable brand, then choose tplink for their motto (the reliable choice). If you want even better, go for asus brand (most recommended since they always give the firmware updates even for the discontinued models). Currently, tm is giving out dlink dir850 (crap) and tplink c1200 (now comes with better firmware updates and you can fully utilize the router. However, they still didn't resolve the boot up time info, but who cares, as long as the router didn't hang during heavy usage and auto reboots at some point is acceptable.


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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 2 2018, 06:55 PM)
I realized that being given the opportunity to upgrade to 50mb package with Ruby package laast time for RM 189 don't seem to be worth it.

Y?
the connection for wifi using old router still buffer even though it's 50mb speed. If viewing video streaming on upper flour is even bad.
I just like to know what other things that is disadvantage to me when using old dlink Dir615 router? Am i maximizing the speed of 50mb or should i request TM to replace a new model which can provide better coverage and speed.

thanks
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Listen to the guy above bro Jjuggler and see his blog.
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post Feb 2 2018, 08:43 PM

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the old dlink router is vulnerable just like the new one and other than wifi differences, the old one has a 200Mb/s MIPS CPU so it will struggle at 50Mb/s without hardware NAT as you need a 600Mhz MIPS 24kc CPU to do 100Mb/s without hardware NAT.
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 2 2018, 06:55 PM)
I realized that being given the opportunity to upgrade to 50mb package with Ruby package laast time for RM 189 don't seem to be worth it.

Y?
the connection for wifi using old router still buffer even though it's 50mb speed. If viewing video streaming on upper flour is even bad.
I just like to know what other things that is disadvantage to me when using old dlink Dir615 router? Am i maximizing the speed of 50mb or should i request TM to replace a new model which can provide better coverage and speed.

thanks
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50mbps should be no problem for DIR-615 provided not too many users or too many connections. This is DIR-615 on UniFi Pro 100.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=87190299
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post Feb 3 2018, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(Jjuggler @ Feb 2 2018, 07:09 PM)
The router comes with 3 dBi antenna. Next, the best place to place a router is at the high place if you're in double story house. If you place the router at the downstairs, then you won't get much signals. The default flow of the signal flows downwards from the antenna not upwards, and that is why some of the manufacturer advises the user to put the router at a high place. Next, if you are staying in a residential area, your wireless network will be congested since the old dir615 ONLY transmitting 2.4GHz band. With the cute and tiny antenna, you're directing the signal to downwards. next, if you wish to use stock isp router, yes you can request if you agree to extend your contract for one more year. Or you can invest some bucks to buy a decent router that might suits you and your family usage. A dual band router were suggested since it can broadcast dual band signals. Do note that the 5ghz signal is shorter in range compared with 2.4ghz. The cheapest dual band router you can get is from tenda, and if you want a reliable brand, then choose tplink for their motto (the reliable choice). If you want even better, go for asus brand (most recommended since they always give the firmware updates even for the discontinued models). Currently, tm is giving out dlink dir850 (crap) and tplink c1200 (now comes with better firmware updates and you can fully utilize the router. However, they still didn't resolve the boot up time info, but who cares, as long as the router didn't hang during heavy usage and auto reboots at some point is acceptable.
You can follow my tips here. Thanks.
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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Feb 2 2018, 08:43 PM)
the old dlink router is vulnerable just like the new one and other than wifi differences, the old one has a 200Mb/s MIPS CPU so it will struggle at 50Mb/s without hardware NAT as you need a 600Mhz MIPS 24kc CPU to do 100Mb/s without hardware NAT.
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QUOTE(soonwai @ Feb 2 2018, 11:34 PM)
50mbps should be no problem for DIR-615 provided not too many users or too many connections. This is DIR-615 on UniFi Pro 100.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=87190299
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thanks for the input.
only disadvantage of Dir615 is the wifi coverage for double story houses.

my upstairs room usually have streaming buffer .
i would love to put it upstairs but initially it was upstairs but my downstairs TV and media players were all downstairs so i can't receive a good streaming for high res movies. So i brought it down to the living hall but now upstairs buffers. I still have a tv upstairs .

im not sure if i can request TM to upgrade the TPlink router for me ?

This post has been edited by missysleepy: Feb 3 2018, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 3 2018, 08:35 AM)
thanks for the input.
only disadvantage of Dir615  is the wifi coverage for double story houses.

my upstairs room usually have streaming buffer .
i would love to put it upstairs but initially it was upstairs but my downstairs TV and media players were all downstairs so i can't receive a good streaming for high res movies. So i brought it down to the living hall but now upstairs buffers. I still have a tv upstairs .

im not sure if i can request TM to upgrade the TPlink router for me ?
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your choice either to pull a cable from your main router and set up an access point or use a power line. Using a repeater is not advisable at current time since it will halves your bandwidth. I would suggest you to set up an access point.

You can request a new router from tm, but be prepare to extend your contract for one more year or you can pay some bucks for the router (buy your own router which is highly recommended).
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post Feb 3 2018, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 3 2018, 08:35 AM)
thanks for the input.
only disadvantage of Dir615  is the wifi coverage for double story houses.

my upstairs room usually have streaming buffer .
i would love to put it upstairs but initially it was upstairs but my downstairs TV and media players were all downstairs so i can't receive a good streaming for high res movies. So i brought it down to the living hall but now upstairs buffers. I still have a tv upstairs .

im not sure if i can request TM to upgrade the TPlink router for me ?
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Typical double storey house... is not a big deal for wifi.

Do not be scared by all the horror stories about interference, congestion, etc.

The tech is there; a good router can do the job well enough.

Tm supplied ones are not so good.

Just u need to spend some money.

Almost every week, someone will post a thread like yours.

Do read what others have just discussed.. the same thing again n again.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514561
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514835
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post Feb 3 2018, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2018, 11:07 AM)
Typical double storey house... is not a big deal for wifi.

Do not be scared by all the horror stories about interference, congestion, etc.

The tech is there; a good router can do the job well enough.

Tm supplied ones are not so good.

Just u need to spend some money.

Almost every week, someone will post a thread like yours.

Do read what others have just discussed.. the same thing again n again.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514561
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514835
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Lol I agree with you bro. It seems that we both have to reply to the same questions over and over again every week. TM should educate its users more during and after installation, maybe have a small booklet that explains wifi and what to expect.
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Feb 3 2018, 11:24 AM)
Lol I agree with you bro. It seems that we both have to reply to the same questions over and over again every week. TM should educate its users more during and after installation, maybe have a small booklet that explains wifi and what to expect.
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not referring to anyone... but the thing is most people CANNOT believe what tm supplied is not good enough when they encounter weakness.

but why is that so difficult to understand?! tongue.gif

tm signs contract to buy in bulk low price, supplier margin pretty thin.

of course they will provide less than ideal hardware n software - any biz would!!

or maybe, rm300, 500 is just too much... simply won't spend the money?

those who change quick-quick gets the most juice out of what they pay every month to unifi!

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post Feb 3 2018, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2018, 11:34 AM)
not referring to anyone... but the thing is most people CANNOT believe what tm supplied is not good enough when they encounter weakness.

but why is that so difficult to understand?! tongue.gif

tm signs contract to buy in bulk low price, supplier margin pretty thin.

of course they will provide less than ideal hardware n software - any biz would!!

or maybe, rm300, 500 is just too much... simply won't spend the money?

those who change quick-quick gets the most juice out of what they pay every month to unifi!
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You nailed the point exactly bro. When I tell family or friends that TM supplied router is not good enough if they want to use Unifi for more than just basic browsing, they get all bent out of shape and start saying that it should be enough and TM should provide the best router. As you say, TM will only provide the most basic router that can do the job and nothing more. If you want more, you need to pay more.

People can spend RM500-RM1000 on irrelevant stuff, but the Unifi in your house is something that you use everyday, so might as well invest in a good router that can last long and enable you to get the maximum out of what you pay to TM, as you say.
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QUOTE(missysleepy @ Feb 3 2018, 08:35 AM)
thanks for the input.
only disadvantage of Dir615  is the wifi coverage for double story houses.

my upstairs room usually have streaming buffer .
i would love to put it upstairs but initially it was upstairs but my downstairs TV and media players were all downstairs so i can't receive a good streaming for high res movies. So i brought it down to the living hall but now upstairs buffers. I still have a tv upstairs .

im not sure if i can request TM to upgrade the TPlink router for me ?
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So you have 2 network points, one up and one down? If you do, add a cheap AP to complement the DIR-615.

The thing about the DIR-615 is that its transmission power is low (20 dBm?). Since it's probably fairly old, it's antennas may have deteriorated.

When it comes to wifi of a certain band, there are 3 things to consider, transmit power, antenna sensitivity & antenna gain. Max transmit power is 30dBm. Nowadays you can get this in routers as cheap as RM290. Sensitivity is usually never made known. Gain will define the radiation pattern and dictate where you place your APs. Low power, low gain is like a kaya pau. High power, low gain is like a yip chee mei chicken tai pau. Medium gain is like a Krispy Kreme doughnut. High gain is like someone sat on said doughnut.

For power, there're 2 schools of thought. One is to go with a few low power APs. The second, one high powered one. That depends on the layout of the house. I tend to go with the former. For a typical 2 or 3 storey house, 2 APs are usually more than adequate.

This post has been edited by soonwai: Feb 3 2018, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Feb 3 2018, 11:51 AM)
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You nailed the point exactly bro. When I tell family or friends that TM supplied router is not good enough if they want to use Unifi for more than just basic browsing, they get all bent out of shape and start saying that it should be enough and TM should provide the best router. As you say, TM will only provide the most basic router that can do the job and nothing more. If you want more, you need to pay more.

People can spend RM500-RM1000 on irrelevant stuff, but the Unifi in your house is something that you use everyday, so might as well invest in a good router that can last long and enable you to get the maximum out of what you pay to TM, as you say.
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Actually what many trying to do is to maximise the use of the money paid to TM. Many felt we already paying too much, therefore will like to maximise what can be gained from hardware and services supplied. But as mentioned here and previously TM only provide what is basic to get the job done and nothing more. If want to maximise the experience the user need to invest more.
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post Feb 3 2018, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2018, 11:07 AM)
Typical double storey house... is not a big deal for wifi.

Do not be scared by all the horror stories about interference, congestion, etc.

The tech is there; a good router can do the job well enough.

Tm supplied ones are not so good.

Just u need to spend some money.

Almost every week, someone will post a thread like yours.

Do read what others have just discussed.. the same thing again n again.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514561
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4514835
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Feb 3 2018, 11:24 AM)
Lol I agree with you bro. It seems that we both have to reply to the same questions over and over again every week. TM should educate its users more during and after installation, maybe have a small booklet that explains wifi and what to expect.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 3 2018, 11:34 AM)
not referring to anyone... but the thing is most people CANNOT believe what tm supplied is not good enough when they encounter weakness.

but why is that so difficult to understand?! tongue.gif

tm signs contract to buy in bulk low price, supplier margin pretty thin.

of course they will provide less than ideal hardware n software - any biz would!!

or maybe, rm300, 500 is just too much... simply won't spend the money?

those who change quick-quick gets the most juice out of what they pay every month to unifi!
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thanks. will read the link given.


 

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