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post Apr 25 2022, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 25 2022, 02:59 PM)
Emm..
Iinm, Shield TV DV support is similar to Apple TV 4K. Both can't do full(P7 double layer) DV and will falback to HDR10. Meanwhile, CCwGTV can do Full DV.

Apparently, there is another issue with Plex(server) where HW transcoding is broken and no fix yet.
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Oh no. Nightmare then.

I though Shield and CCwGTV is same on DV. I want replace CCwGTV because it is not fast and buffering if the bitrate is over 80mbps. Also basically YouTube in CCwGTV can't playback 4K HDR 60fps, it also buffering. All this issue is not there in Apple TV 4K and no issue in my PC even 8K.

I don't do transcode, I play it in original maximum size.

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post Apr 25 2022, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 25 2022, 03:18 PM)
Are you using Wifi or dedicated ethernet? I used a USB hub with Power Delivery to get a USB ethernet for the CCwGTV.
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WiFI, I original plan buy and attached the USB ethernet but CCwGTV is slow in Plex, so I never plan to buy the ethernet. 😅

Plex in Kodi ok but the interface is err. 😅

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 25 2022, 03:44 PM)
That's the problem currently there's no device that can do everything without any limitations. Each device has some kind of issue even though if it support full DV. 

Did you try using SmartTubeNext to play same YT video?
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Nope. Never try before since Apple TV 4K box no issue.

When Shield arrive I will try how it perform. 😅
I no need all format of DV supporting as they is too many version but at least the common one where Plex is support in CCwGTV support is support in Shield.

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post Apr 25 2022, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 25 2022, 04:27 PM)
u guys watch DV in MP4 or MKV? cos MKV one plex i dont think can handle, only Kodi can if not mistaken on my shield tube. urs is pro version should have no much issue i think. Shield tube is laggy and cannot support high bitrate file because of the puny ram.
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Oh. Lucky I choose the Pro.

For Plex latest version do support MKV in DV for profile 5, 7 and 8 single layer in my CCwGTV and Apple TV 4K.
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post Apr 25 2022, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 25 2022, 04:41 PM)
ah ok, that is plex for nvidia shield only? or lg tv one? Now i only use webOS plex to watch lol, cos have no much issue running MP4 them compare to shield tube. prefer less hassle nowadays, only time hit the wall is when play trueHD, end up using xbox plex app to watch cos can passthru trueHD lol.
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I don't have shield yet. So far I using Plex for CCwGTV and Apple TV 4K. My local content is 99% mkv.

I just order shield not arrive yet.

LG TV Plex is too slow for handling 4K REMUX, basically not playable to me.

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post Apr 25 2022, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 25 2022, 05:08 PM)
Most of my Plex stuffs are anime, and kodi can do animated subtitle without transcoding. Hence why I use kodi for most part.  sweat.gif
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Plex no longer transcoding subtitle. That is history already now. 😊
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post Apr 25 2022, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 25 2022, 06:34 PM)
Only for normal text. Kodi app on android still can't process .ass subtitles that has custom fonts and animated effects. It will drop off any stylings, and just display everything at the bottom.

For example

Plex app will display it with the default Arial font
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Kodi app will correctly render the embedded font and size in the subtitle file
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Also, Plex app just straight up ignored this part


while Kodi properly shows the animated effects

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Oh I know what you mean then, lucky I no need, I prefer subtitle as bottom as possible and not animated.

I think animated subtitle do useful for karaoke but I not using it. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 25 2022, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 25 2022, 09:39 PM)
Yeah, but in some animes, loosing the styling also looses on screen information. Like this for example:

Not only Plex app won't show these infos, but the subtitle on the top would also be missing as it has a hard time processing subtitles with timing that overlap with each other
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So yeah, I only use the app for non animes. For animes, I have to use kodi or transcode  sweat.gif
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post Apr 29 2022, 06:59 PM

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post Apr 29 2022, 11:04 PM

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Nvidia Shield TV Pro - 1st hands-on short review.

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What I like
  • The only TV Box I own that can playback Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD.
  • The only TV Box I own that can playback 192Khz sound track.
  • All film is properly playback from Plex.
  • Finally all Dolby Vision is properly detect and playback as Dolby Vision.
  • The smoother Android TV Box. This interface is very smooth.
What is not good enough
  • Still no HDR support in YouTube, seriously?
  • The Plex is very usable but not very smooth, it smoothness is no way near the version in Apple TV 4K (2021 edition). I hope Plex put more work on Nvidia Shield TV Pro and make is silky smooth.
  • The interface is so boring and I don't see the Discover feature, I think I read somewhere seems Nvidia remove it later right? I not remember, I connect to VPN but still no discover is appear.
  • The interface is like Apple TV 4K in 4K resolution instead of 1080p in CCwGTV, but it looks like up-scaling instead of actual 4K interface.
That it, I totally no regret buying the Nvidia Shield TV Pro, it fact I should direct buy this previously instead of spend money on Apple TV 4K (2021 edition) as well the Chromecast with Google TV.

Highly recommended, and ya I no time try the gaming yet and I don't have console to interact with it yet as well. 😅

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post Apr 30 2022, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 29 2022, 11:34 PM)
1. The interface is render at 1080p same as CCwGTV. Probably due to NVIDIA upscaling it looks better or due to different type of launcher being used.
2. Youtube/Stadia HDR use VP9.2 codec which Shield TV SoC(Tegra X1/+) do not support and the CPU is not capable enough to play it smoothly using software acceleration. Only manage to play it smoothly max at 720p.
3. It will be awesome if NVIDIA able to removed it but unfortunately they can't. The Discover UI is available on Shield TV but not Malaysia so ya VPN is needed to activate it but it will take some time or after few reboots. Do make sure all apps are updated especially Android TV Home, Android TV Core Services and Google Play Service.

My recommendation:
1. Disable auto system update. (Only update after reviewing feedbacks)
2. Since you are using Plex so better to disable auto app update on Google Play Store because they are pretty good at screwing up.. 😂
3. Disable IPv6. (Some streaming service that don't support IPv6 will stop working)
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1. I think it is not same as CCwGTV when screenshot is 1080p but in Nvidia Shield is 4K but obvious upscale.
2. Ya I just read back few post, nothing can do in this case.
3. Few restart, ooo. As in CCwGTV is instant once you connect to VPN. I will try again this, I want the new interface as it look pretty. Haha!

For the recommendation, thanks for the highlight, I should turn off auto update then. 😅
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post Apr 30 2022, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 30 2022, 12:58 AM)
1. Oh.. you are referring to screenshot then yes NVIDIA added the feature to capture screenshot with upscaling(if available) but the native system UI is still max at 1080p and the rest is upscaling. Need to wait for Android TV 12 for proper 4K UI.
2. Ya, nothing can be done unless they built new SoC and add AV1 support.
3. That because Google TV Home UI is always active and background service is always ready to ping Google server like using streaming apps meanwhile Discover UI need to be activated by the server first.
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Oh I see, now I get it, thanks for the information. smile.gif
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Apr 30 2022, 06:26 AM)
oh? I instantly hated that new UI. But to be fair, I don't subscribe to any streaming services, and it keeps pointing me to stuffs that you can't even access in SEA. I had to ask reddit on how to disable that on my CwGTV
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I love that for cosmetic reason only. I never use that. Haha!
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post Apr 30 2022, 12:29 PM

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Edit: After installing the Google TV Launcher, now my Nvidia Shield TV Pro default launcher is working as it suppose also. 😅😅😅
It looks much nicer, I prefer this over the CCwGTV one. 😊

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Success install Google TV New Home Launcher for Nvidia Shield TV Pro. 😅
Instruction: https://tech-latest.com/install-google-tv-l...any-android-tv/
** Do not install the Google App for Android TV as this will break the Nvidia Shield Google Assistant. Lucky it can revert back to stock and now voila my Google Assistant is working back.

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My short summary of differences in between Nvidia Shield TV Pro (2019 edition) v/s Chromecast with Google TV v/s Apple TV 4K (2021 edition)

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ Apr 30 2022, 05:51 PM)
Just to clarify on Dolby Vision Profile 7, there are two category:
1. P7 Dual Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but in HDR10.
2. P7 Single Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but it will ignore FEL data. In this case the TV will show DV tag and the output is similar to DV Profile 5 but better.

So in short, Shield TV '19 do not actually support and output real DV Profile 7.
Based on what i have read, you'll only notice the differences if you have seen real DV P7 output. 

There are more info on this matter involving Shield TV but I strongly advise not to do more research on this..😅
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This is similar as what plex in Apple TV do. Better than don't have and DV tuning always do better. I only have single track version not the dual track version. 😅 but Apple TV Plex is problematic and infuse dev prefer remove the support...

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Nvidia Shield TV Pro Short review final part. Continue from my previous review add-on.
  • New Interface - It did brilliantly, much better than CCwGTV, the reason it look much vibrant icon and sharp, not over spacing and not over discover waste space. Also they is a one page scroll view of apps.
  • Remote Control - It do look something unusual but I love it! It is so easier to hold, just nice in size. The little button background light make it easier to see in any lighting environment. The light just nice, not too dull and not too bright.
  • Performance - Finally something is very smooth in Android / Google TV Box. No issue for streaming and I found it seems very strong grab the signal strength, during benchmark it can go up to 400Mbps which very closed to my 500Mbps package. Beside my new PC can reach 550Mbps, they is device I own manage to reach that high.
  • Video & Audio quality - Freaking awesome! Nothing to complain at all.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 1 2022, 01:00 PM)
I'm referring to Shield TV '19 hardware support tor DV.
Even if the media app support full DV playback it will still depends on the real hardware capabilities to process the data for output.
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Would it be possible it already get hacked and can decode by software now, as those hybrid version do have differences in DV version and look much better.

DV to me is just a metadata by human make, anything human make can be break and obvious it is already break for easier change format and inject into the video source.

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 2 2022, 03:10 PM)
I don't think so from what i understood for full DV P7 playback, the device need to support dual decoder which is something that Amlogic SoC can do.

Even if it has been 'hacked' they still need the app to read the new method/format. All the existing apps are based on standard SDK that only 'read' format that is provided by Dolby.

There is another method to improve dual layer processing with TV-led(if the TV support). Shield TV support both Player-led and TV-led mode but it is choosen automatically based on EDID. According to NVIDIA, there's no plan to add option to manually select the mode at this time.
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I not so sure on that, but I only know recently those hybrid is all single layer in profile 7 or 8.

Some what they do is inject the DV layer from stream version to physical REMUX version but they are not profile 5 but 7 or 8 in single layer based on the media info and also when open using mkv toolnix and they are different than those dual layer physical format and also I think not support from all TV box as dual layer is not for TV box and I think no manufacturer can put support on it as this will violate the DV term.

Those new hybrid single layer do detect as DV and it do look much better contrast and very eye striking on light part and also look much much better. I assume it do work in this case. 😅

Some even provide the layer only for you to insert yourself, I try a bit but give up as too command base and troublesome. 😅

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QUOTE(juzmafia @ May 2 2022, 06:20 PM)
Can you point to me where is this hybrid single layer profile 7 documentation. I can't find it.
TV will show DV tag whenever there is media which contain DV data but TV won't/can't provide specific information on what type of data available on the media file.

The FEL contain the real DV information which only BD player, Amlogic SoC and iinm some TV able to process and output because the device need to able to decode both media and data at the same time.
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Show you next week as I at home town now, no PC access the media. 😅

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