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juzmafia
post Feb 9 2022, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(NewB-MX @ Feb 8 2022, 07:41 PM)
I didn't check for IR 'leak'. Since turning it on causes problem witj the Bluetooth connection with the hub/console (at least for my set), I am keeping IR off.

On "Stay awake on music", I already have it turned On but it still goes to sleep while Tidal is playing.
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If turning IR off fix the battery issue then your remote has software issue or failed to update properly(happens before). Hopefully this is long term fix for your remote.

Does the sleep issue started after the SE 9.0 update or before that?
Try to see if can reproduce the same sleep issue with other app like Spotify.

If this issue happen after the SE 9.0 then best report it to Nvidia.
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post Feb 17 2022, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(NewB-MX @ Feb 17 2022, 02:38 AM)
Received an e-mail fromΒ  Nvidia suggesting a list of things to do.

But luckily I don'tΒ  have to go through them cos the problem I had somehow is gone! Now Shield doesn't go to sleep while Tidal is playing. I really don't know what happened.

On another note, does anyone know whether it is possible to :-

(a) transfer some data from the internal storage to the adopted storage?; and

(b) choose where apps are installed?

I have a USB drive acting as an adopted storage in order to add more space to the meagre internal storage. But I notice that most of the data and possibly new apps which I installed recently are still in the internal storage. This causes problem as sometimes I get a warning from the system saying that the internal storage space is getting very low; the culprit which eats up a lot of internal storage space is the Cache, which I will then clear when I get that warning.

There is a lot more space in the adopted storage which is not utilised by the system.

Thanks!
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a. If you're referring to app data then that depends on how the developer coded the app to use which storage location. Unfortunately most Android TV apps are coded to use internal storage only.

b. Yes, but still depends on how the app is coded and need to do it individually.
i. For apps that support move to adopted storage:
1. Go to settings>apps
2. Select the app
3. Select Storage used
4. Select USB drive

ii. For apps that don't support move to adopted storage:
1. Enable Developer option(Settings>device preference>about and continuously click on Build until it show 'You are now a developer' popup).
2. Go to settings>device preferences>developer option
3. Enable Force allow apps on external

Now you'll be able to move almost all apps to adopted storage individually but note the following:
i. Not all apps can be force to adopted storage. Ex: pre-installed and system apps.(Even if it is possible to move these apps, DO NOT do that)
ii. Some apps do not support adopted storage and able to force move to adopted storage but will stop working. Will need to move back to internal storage.
iii. Apps that require DRM is best to stay at internal storage. (Ex: streaming apps)
iv. If you had to reset your device before backing up the adopted drive, you'll lose everything.
v. In some case, due to slow in scanning/detect by the system after cold boot the apps on adopted storage won't appear on the system.(usually happen on ATV dongle with Y-cable)


Note that with SE 9.0(Android 11), the force allow apps on external option will cause some apps on adopted storage to fail to update via Google Playstore.
The workaround is to transfer the app back to internal storage, then update and move back to adopted storage.
This is Android issue started since version 10.
Refer: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5324


On the low storage issue, refer this: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/det..._id/5301/kw/Low

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post Apr 25 2022, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 25 2022, 12:03 PM)
Finally purchase the Nvidia Shield Pro. Can't wait it arrival. 😊

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Congrats..

Do note that currently the latest public update is still not that stable and there's issue with Plex that is affecting media with TrueHD.
Other than that, Android TV 11 permission restrictions is kinda annoying and Kodi does not "officially" support Android 11.


Unfortunately, you can't skip the new update because for first time setup it will force update to latest public release..πŸ˜…

Edit:
IMO, most Android TV do not support Android TV 11 yet..πŸ‘€

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post Apr 25 2022, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 25 2022, 01:43 PM)
Means TrueHD not support in latest update? 😱
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Not related to Shield TV firmware, only the latest version of Plex app is having issue with TrueHD but they have fixed it in latest beta.
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post Apr 25 2022, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 25 2022, 01:53 PM)
Oh OK. Great to know they are fixing it.  Plex is my main apps and I want TrueHD support. 😁

Apple TV 4K Dolby Vision layer support is too limited. Playback using Plex sometimes get kicking out, Infuse support DV is not good. Poor VPN format support. So it is time to ditch Apple TV 4K. πŸ˜…πŸ˜…πŸ˜…

As for Chromecast for Google TV is under power, browsing Plex is way too slow. Higher bitrate over 80Mbps file keep buffering, not support TrueHD. So it is time to ditch it as well. πŸ˜…
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Emm..
Iinm, Shield TV DV support is similar to Apple TV 4K. Both can't do full(P7 double layer) DV and will falback to HDR10. Meanwhile, CCwGTV can do Full DV.

Apparently, there is another issue with Plex(server) where HW transcoding is broken and no fix yet.
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post Apr 25 2022, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 25 2022, 03:16 PM)
Oh no. Nightmare then.

I though Shield and CCwGTV is same on DV. I want replace CCwGTV because it is not fast and buffering if the bitrate is over 80mbps. Also basically YouTube in CCwGTV can't playback 4K HDR 60fps, it also buffering. All this issue is not there in Apple TV 4K and no issue in my PC even 8K.

I don't do transcode, I play it in original maximum size.
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That's the problem currently there's no device that can do everything without any limitations. Each device has some kind of issue even though if it support full DV.

Did you try using SmartTubeNext to play same YT video?

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post Apr 29 2022, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 29 2022, 11:04 PM)
Nvidia Shield TV Pro - 1st hands-on short review.

What I like



  • The only TV Box I own that can playback Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD.


  • The only TV Box I own that can playback 192Khz sound track.


  • All film is properly playback from Plex.


  • Finally all Dolby Vision is properly detect and playback as Dolby Vision.


  • The smoother Android TV Box. This interface is very smooth.


  • The interface is like Apple TV 4K in 4K resolution instead of 1080p in CCwGTV.


What is not good enough



  • Still no HDR support in YouTube, seriously?


  • The Plex is very usable but not very smooth, it smoothness is no way near the version in Apple TV 4K (2021 edition). I hope Plex put more work on Nvidia Shield TV Pro and make is silky smooth.


  • The interface is so boring and I don't see the Discover feature, I think I read somewhere seems Nvidia remove it later right? I not remember, I connect to VPN but still no discover is appear.


That it, I totally no regret buying the Nvidia Shield TV Pro, it fact I should direct buy this previously instead of spend money on Apple TV 4K (2021 edition) as well the Chromecast with Google TV.

Highly recommended, and ya I no time try the gaming yet and I don't have console to interact with it yet as well. πŸ˜…
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1. The interface is render at 1080p same as CCwGTV. Probably due to NVIDIA upscaling it looks better or due to different type of launcher being used.
2. Youtube/Stadia HDR use VP9.2 codec which Shield TV SoC(Tegra X1/+) do not support and the CPU is not capable enough to play it smoothly using software acceleration. Only manage to play it smoothly max at 720p.
3. It will be awesome if NVIDIA able to removed it but unfortunately they can't. The Discover UI is available on Shield TV but not Malaysia so ya VPN is needed to activate it but it will take some time or after few reboots. Do make sure all apps are updated especially Android TV Home, Android TV Core Services and Google Play Service.

My recommendation:
1. Disable auto system update. (Only update after reviewing feedbacks)
2. Since you are using Plex so better to disable auto app update on Google Play Store because they are pretty good at screwing up.. πŸ˜‚
3. Disable IPv6. (Some streaming service that don't support IPv6 will stop working)

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post Apr 30 2022, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 30 2022, 12:25 AM)
1. I think it is not same as CCwGTV when screenshot is 1080p but in Nvidia Shield is 4K but obvious upscale.
2. Ya I just read back few post, nothing can do in this case.
3. Few restart, ooo. As in CCwGTV is instant once you connect to VPN. I will try again this, I want the new interface as it look pretty. Haha!

For the recommendation, thanks for the highlight, I should turn off auto update then. πŸ˜…
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1. Oh.. you are referring to screenshot then yes NVIDIA added the feature to capture screenshot with upscaling(if available) but the native system UI is still max at 1080p and the rest is upscaling. Need to wait for Android TV 12 for proper 4K UI.
2. Ya, nothing can be done unless they built new SoC and add AV1 support.
3. That because Google TV Home UI is always active and background service is always ready to ping Google server like using streaming apps meanwhile Discover UI need to be activated by the server first.

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post Apr 30 2022, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 30 2022, 04:06 PM)
My short summary of differences in between Nvidia Shield TV Pro (2019 edition) v/s Chromecast with Google TV v/s Apple TV 4K (2021 edition)

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Just to clarify on Dolby Vision Profile 7, there are two category:
1. P7 Dual Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but in HDR10.
2. P7 Single Track/Dual Layer - Shield TV '19 will playback the file but it will ignore FEL data. In this case the TV will show DV tag and the output is similar to DV Profile 5 but better.

So in short, Shield TV '19 do not actually support and output real DV Profile 7.
Based on what i have read, you'll only notice the differences if you have seen real DV P7 output.

There are more info on this matter involving Shield TV but I strongly advise not to do more research on this..πŸ˜…

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post May 1 2022, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(fentanyl @ May 1 2022, 09:42 AM)
Are u talking about Plex or Kodi?
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I'm referring to Shield TV '19 hardware support tor DV.
Even if the media app support full DV playback it will still depends on the real hardware capabilities to process the data for output.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 1 2022, 03:39 PM)
Would it be possible it already get hacked and can decode by software now, as those hybrid version do have differences in DV version and look much better.

DV to me is just a metadata by human make, anything human make can be break and obvious it is already break for easier change format and inject into the video source.
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I don't think so from what i understood for full DV P7 playback, the device need to support dual decoder which is something that Amlogic SoC can do.

Even if it has been 'hacked' they still need the app to read the new method/format. All the existing apps are based on standard SDK that only 'read' format that is provided by Dolby.

There is another method to improve dual layer processing with TV-led(if the TV support). Shield TV support both Player-led and TV-led mode but it is choosen automatically based on EDID. According to NVIDIA, there's no plan to add option to manually select the mode at this time.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 2 2022, 03:56 PM)
I not so sure on that,Β  but I only know recently those hybrid is all single layer in profile 7 or 8.

Some what they do is inject the DV layer from stream version to physical REMUX version but they are not profile 5 but 7 or 8 in single layer based on the media info and also when open using mkv toolnix and they are different than those dual layer physical format and also I think not support from all TV box as dual layer is not for TV box and I think no manufacturer can put support on it as this will violate the DV term.

Those new hybrid single layer do detect as DV and it do look much better contrast and very eye striking on light part and also look much much better. I assume it do work in this case. πŸ˜…

Some even provide the layer only for you to insert yourself, I try a bit but give up as too command base and troublesome. πŸ˜…
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Can you point to me where is this hybrid single layer profile 7 documentation. I can't find it.


TV will show DV tag whenever there is media which contain DV data but TV won't/can't provide specific information on what type of data available on the media file.

The FEL contain the real DV information which only BD player, Amlogic SoC and iinm some TV able to process and output because the device need to able to decode both media and data at the same time.

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post May 8 2022, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 8 2022, 04:17 PM)
This is the example of Hybrid I mean, the following screenshot show the information detected by Plex for Windows. So far it working fine in all my Plex for TV Box and detected as DV in my LG OLED TV.

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Ya i found some topic related to this 'hybrid'.
After reading it, the purpose is to:
1. Apply DV from web-dl source on to movies/shows that was released on Blu-ray disc without DV
2. Convert/create new Profile 8.1(HDR10 fallback) from DV Profile 7 so it can be played on both DV or non-DV display.


Based on your screenshot:
1. DV Profile 8.1(BL+RPU) - has DV and HDR10 but it is single layer without FEL.
2. DV Profile 7(BL+EL(FEL)+RPU) - dual layer but Shield TV will ignore EL layer during playback and TV will still trigger DV flag.

Afaik, there is no DV Profile 7 Single Layer exist officially or unofficially and there is no way to force Shield TV to output/process FEL.
When the DV Profile 7 is converted to single layer it is either become Profile 5 or Profile 8.1/8.2.

Here is officially DV profile. Refer the BL:EL section, the 'N/A' means the profile is single layer and has no EL layer.
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*There's another DV Profile 10 for AV1 codec and it is single layer.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ May 8 2022, 06:48 PM)
Thanks for this comprehensive information. Appreciate. 😊

Ya that is what they do now for Hybrid and it look awesome. 🫠πŸ₯°

For AV1, I only found some demo and seems no one is using it yet. Is Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 support hardware code for AV1?
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No.
Both VP9.2 and AV1 was released after Tegra X1 was built.
The next Shield TV or future retail Android TV device will need to support AV1 for Google certification.

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