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 Buying new laptop? Need RECOMMENDATION?, PLEASE POST IT HERE !!! Ver. 2.

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post Jul 18 2007, 08:56 AM

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It is not Dell's fault that laptop is the most high rated for electronic repairs and replacement. In fact, laptops are the fastest market segment in terms of computing. So that generates the fact that almost at least one of five systems that we purchase, will be sent for repair or replacement.

Ok i made up the last part but the first part remains a fact. U can see that on last year consumer's record for computing section.

My point could be tho, no matter what system u have, u might end up with lemon. Even the latest crappiest brand from China, Hasee ( I read this on PDA & mobile computing) will have its best apples and lemons. So the more important buying factor if u asked me, will be the maintenance or services (whatever u want to call it, after-sales service, customer services, bla bla bla). I see it as an insurance policy. Good brand like Dell, u buy it with good insurance. "Good insurance" will have you covered in case anything bad happen. The fact that laptop has the highest risk for electronics, it is wise to have the best insurance policy in the market.

More to that, buying unreliable brand could lead to heavier spending over time. U could end up paying more with unknown brand just for the parts and stuffs which are covered if u have went established brands. It is wise to "invest" a little bit much in the beginning and ends up paying a lot less ! rather than paying cheap at initial cost and ends up with unsatisfactory product with a lot of additional costs on it.

These are very common at least in the United States where laptops/computers brand are lots lots more than Malaysia's market for computing/laptops.
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post Jul 19 2007, 03:41 PM

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What happen to ur current laptop? That seems to be good enuf. Buy some ram, better save some money now then buy one later. I think compaq or acer fits ur budget.

For the suggestion, u can get anything as long as it is a reliable brand with a good customer service. Laptop wont be much of trouble with just net surfing or movie-watching (assume that the user will take a good care of it, for example never put it on the bed and leave it like 7 days straight etc).
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post Jul 19 2007, 07:42 PM

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Meia,

rather than copy pasting all these spec it is wiser for u to narrow down ur choice and NEEDS. To see that long list it discourage me to read the whole thing and in fact does not help at all. All brands have disadvantage and advantage and how good is depend on what term. Do u mean good customer service, good overall built, or good design?

Choosing the perfect laptop will need a lil bit data and information. U can tho, buy the cheapest of any but there will be risk that it will end up regrettable.
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post Jul 19 2007, 09:47 PM

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I think with the budget u will left with Dell and Compaq. I personally will go Dell no matter what. Why?

Quote from myself:
"My point could be tho, no matter what system u have, u might end up with lemon. Even the latest crappiest brand from China, Hasee ( I read this on PDA & mobile computing) will have its best apples and lemons. So the more important buying factor if u asked me, will be the maintenance or services (whatever u want to call it, after-sales service, customer services, bla bla bla). I see it as an insurance policy. Good brand like Dell, u buy it with good insurance. "Good insurance" will have you covered in case anything bad happen. The fact that laptop has the highest risk for electronics, it is wise to have the best insurance policy in the market.

More to that, buying unreliable brand could lead to heavier spending over time. U could end up paying more with unknown brand just for the parts and stuffs which are covered if u have went established brands. It is wise to "invest" a little bit much in the beginning and ends up paying a lot less ! rather than paying cheap at initial cost and ends up with unsatisfactory product with a lot of additional costs on it.

These are very common at least in the United States where laptops/computers brand are lots lots more than Malaysia's market for computing/laptops."

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post Jul 20 2007, 06:25 PM

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More and more softwares will take advantages of multi-core (multi-threaded) from now on. It is better and safer to have multi-core system that will keep up with the software development. "Worry shall you not young padawan", I myself on a single Turion x64. I expect mine to work flawlessly for at least 2 years more from now and hope it survives as many years as it can handle (4-5 years maybe). If not, time for a new lappy tongue.gif
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post Jul 20 2007, 09:19 PM

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why is it cuo? Core 2 Duo i suppose?
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post Jul 24 2007, 10:59 AM

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1. First of all, u dont need to mention out the "Other than AW" as you already narrowed it down "in Malaysia". Alienware is not available in Malaysia for the time being and never has been before. Im not much familiar with high-end laptop lines in Malaysia, but other than Alienware, there couple of options for every card that u have mentioned above. And actually there is no 7900gt, there are only 7900gs and 7900gtx.

Dell's Inspiron 9400 came with 7900gs as an option. For higher cards options such 7900gtx or 7950gtx, Dell doesnt provide it but u can self-install it if u manage to get one in the market (but it is not recommended as it will void your warranty).

2. Check out sotong's thread for this info.

3. Of coz there are such 1440 x 900 and so on.

U mean want to be able to utilize the dx10 rite? I dont see why any decent system couldnt run CRYSIS in dx9. And do ur research first next time. I will not explain further about CRYSIS and stuff as the game is not out yet there is no point of discussing based on assumption.
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post Jul 24 2007, 12:00 PM

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advocado,

do u realize all cards u mention can't utilize dx10 at all? I do know they will perform better in fps tho. I think I remember u asking some kind of questions such these before too. I hope u will do some readings and stuff so u will realize that ur dream to utilize full dx10 with laptop is not possible with any current laptops that available in the market till today's date.

(the best u can get now is 8700M, first full dx10 for mobile enthusiast; available in Toshiba's.)


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post Jul 24 2007, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 24 2007, 12:35 AM)
Yes i did ask questions regarding Laptop GPU and I remember you giving some insights too. That's why I know 8600 isn't the best. However I'm not asking about DX10. I'm asking which model of laptop offers the higher performance card than 8600M GT. I know there's a 8700 but it's merely an overclocked 8600. Because I hardly see any laptops that has older but better FPS cards like 7900 SLI, 7950, X1900 & X1800 that's why I'm asking which brand/model has these. I did try searching for the models that are locally available online but it would be nice if you could show me some good Malaysia site which has alot of info on the laptops available in Malaysia.
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Thanks for clarifying urself. As u know, in terms of performances, 8600M has never been the best. It's the newest but that doesn't mean it suppose to be the best. U seems to have an idea that with the cards u mention really perform better than 8600M in terms of fps. I mean far far better. Actually, like i said u can get 7900gs and higher card from eBay perhaps. U dont need SLi, it's not worth it at all. Here's why. 7950gtx is almost par with 7900gs in SLi, except if u have 512mb 7900gs but that also doesnt make so much different. 7950gtx alone is powerful enough. Yet, there is also 7950gtx in SLi but seriously, read the quote in my signature and u will know why u shudn't get 7950gtx in SLi (exception to Alienware system for sure).

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But, note this. U can get a normal 7900gs or 7950gtx laptop that works so fine. I already mention about Dell's 9400. So u might want to check that thread out. For general reference like how-to upgrade graphic card and install em in ur system and stuff, try notebookforums for more support and info. I dont think u can find one in Malaysia that have proper warranty and support. Your best bet would be ebay, search for Dell XPS m1710 or other brand like blackhawk, vigor gaming, Sager, and the list goes on.. Buy at ur own risk tho.
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post Jul 30 2007, 12:01 AM

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death_nite,

can I know why ur bro want specifically 12"? is it size that matters or weight? Try toshiba's thinnest laptop. That could be the one.
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post Jul 30 2007, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(death_nite @ Jul 29 2007, 12:39 PM)
well, yes...size does matters...weight too...if i were him, i will buy latest xps1330...since dell didnt sell the old one (xps1210)...haih...might discuss with him 1st lar... sweat.gif
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For me, let say u get to have m1210 on refurbished, still if its heavier than any 13" or wuteva inches that is, its better to have lighter one for carrying. U said hes carrying by motorcycle so it will be wise to have something light than something big as 13" and 12" wont have much difference once u put in the bag. U dont see the size and stuff, but u feel the weight while carrying. I do read ur post, thats why I ask, weight or display size? if hes eyes cant take 13incher just like some of us here u cant use anything below 17incher bcoz lack of satisfaction in terms of screen display, then I understand why he wants a 12incher. But the weird thing is, he is the first one I know that want strictly 12incher bcoz of the screen looks, instead of others 17inchers lover.

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post Jul 30 2007, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(max286 @ Jul 29 2007, 01:43 PM)
many people like 17inch is becoz people want to playgame or for entertainment, his brother want smaller screen becoz want for traveling,
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U didnt get it didnt cha? Its ok but u shud read better.


Added on July 30, 2007, 3:08 am
QUOTE(death_nite @ Jul 29 2007, 01:45 PM)
well, he can afford to wait smile.gif he not hurry to buy it...hehe...
huhu..weird aite as not many people really want small notebook..smmore he limited him self with 12" size..so small..haih...wat ever it is, he want it small and light...

maybe those who prefer 17" size ntbook bcos they wanna watch movies or play games on it...my bro play console games only...n if he wanna watch movies on big screen, he can do it at home...his pc edy connected with his tv... sweat.gif

owh yeah, thanks 4 reminding me...m1210 is heavy.... sweat.gif i hv to find smthg small n light...still, he's not hurry...will find those small n light notebook 1st n will ask him to decide which model he want....huhu... sweat.gif

btw, toshiba is good? wat abt warranty? easy to claim?

p/s: owh, did i say another reason he wan small notebook bcos of diehard 4.0? sweat.gif 1 of the character use small notebook...y in the world i hv weird big bro...weird... sweat.gif


Added on July 30, 2007, 2:47 am
yes...u r rite...thanks  smile.gif
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Toshiba is reliable. haha diehard 4.0 has Alienware too somewhere in the scene. So will he wants Alienware now? JK.


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post Aug 2 2007, 09:41 AM

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I think anything like go 7400 will do good with ur budget and requirement. I don't they have 7600gs for <14incher. I dont know that for sure tho.
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post Aug 5 2007, 06:30 AM

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Take a look at Dell's and Asus's. I'll skip HP for any >RM4000. Acer isn't bad.
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post Aug 5 2007, 09:56 AM

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List down specs, not brand or models. That doesnt give us any idea about how good will it run "minor gaming, maybe dota and cs".

However, ur gaming lists don't seems like it will have problems even with Intel graphics.

You probably ok with anything.
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post Aug 5 2007, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(littlefox @ Aug 4 2007, 09:30 PM)
I've been reading the Gemstone thread and a recurring complaint is heat. I'm kinda worried about that because I don't intend to use a notebook cooler and it's supposed to be on all the time. Would it actually be able to handle such use without vital component connections melting like in my previous Twinhead?

How's the heat handling like with Asus stuff?
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It's actually sad to say our Malaysia's weather is one of the factors. For me anything will do as long as ur monitor ur temp and know how to take care of ur laptop. Negligence act like playing games on bed (traps heat) doesn't seem like a laptop or brand's fault.

As u specifically said no cooler then the other way u could lower ur temp is by using thermal compound like AS5 and apply it on ur cpu and gpu. It wont help lowered as much as cooler but it helps in terms of longevity of ur system. U said it gonna be on like 24/7 so I will highly recommend u apply AS5 on ur laptop.

As for coolers, what's wrong with it? U said it gonna be 24/7 so while u asleep whats wrong with let cooler cool it off? There's a lot type of cooler, one might fit regarding any way ur using it. Check out my cooler by clicking my sig.

and oh, im on SLi so I actually sick of hearing ppl complain about Acer. It's not the brand, sometimes it's the specific models and specific st00pid users.


Added on August 5, 2007, 10:54 am
QUOTE(adrixxx @ Aug 4 2007, 09:45 PM)
well i just wanted to knw whether that hp pavilion can support a few games.
does it have a graphics card.
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Do u think all of us here sell laptops? Ur asking like everyone knows hp pavilion. Every laptop or PC must have graphic card. Please do ur homework. U r talking nonsense. And don't assume ppl gonna fed u, this isnt school or home.


Added on August 5, 2007, 10:55 amand I already answer ur question. Read it again or carefully.

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post Aug 5 2007, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(littlefox @ Aug 4 2007, 10:31 PM)
Well, it's convenience, mostly. Most notebooks of the range I'm looking at have 3 USB ports max, so using a cooler will usually take away one of the ports. Plus, in my experience, coolers don't really work; my Twinhead still melted down despite using several different coolers.

I look at it this way; by looking for something with good heat performance, it's not likely that I will need a cooler, which means that I won't have to cart one around if I travel. But if I do need one, then it'll work much much better and it won't be so critical during travel when I won't be having it on 24/7.
Reminds me of the argument I had with a pair of Samsung temp workers at last year's PC Fair. They were insisting that so-and-so model had no graphics card, which led me to ask how the monitor gets its nice pictures. That was fun.
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That's why u need to click on my siggy. The cooler Im using is so small and effective. U prolly have different problem. I suspect you didnt check if ur laptop bottom sucked or blew hot air out the vent; because if a cooler isn't enhancing any of the vents behavior (if it sucks then the cooler must blow towards it while if it blows then u will need the cooler sucks the air). it will in fact increase ur cpu and gpu temp. I actually thought of making a notebook buying guide but I don't have any leisure time yet.

Plus, coolers now come with USB port as well. So u lose one u get 2 or 3 back depending on the notebook. So u might want to check that out.


Added on August 5, 2007, 5:41 pmI do understand ur point too tho. In fact, it is super important. There are alot more SLi systems but instead nothing have better heat performance and stability than Arima model; too bad (or too good) Alienware is the only manufacturer to carry Arima. However, like i said for normal notebook anything will do.

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post Aug 11 2007, 08:17 AM

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I think I saw that in my class today...
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post Aug 27 2007, 06:23 AM

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I assume "gaming" will be Dota-ing. Dota works flawless in any system. It's requirement is too low u can play it on the iPhone.
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post Aug 27 2007, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Illiad @ Aug 26 2007, 07:55 PM)
Gaming as in Battlefield 2, NWN 2, Or the upcoming Halo 3
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Everything u mentioned dont need that much of performance power; it does need if ur thinking maxed out settings, but everything is payable when decent laptop.

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