Nowadays, we are exposed to many good foods and unfortunately, there are many occasions that good food is not healthy, that's what make it good. Especially when fast foods, instant coffee, and many fast-serving foods that may not properly follow food safety guide are quite common everywhere and it's pretty hard to avoid them when u have to take outside foods. This is pretty common for workers like us who usually need to depend on outside foods to save costs and time.

And time to time, as young adults who are healthy and we are equipped with the mindset that "if we don't eat now, then when?", we will have time when we would reward our body with good food to make us feel good. As well as times when we treat unhealthy foods as an ordinary meal just to fill up our stomach.

As time goes by, these foods serve as a silent killer that destroy our body bits by bits and usually we won't feel anything unless something really bad is happening, or already happened which can be too late.

So is there anything like, imagine an adult has been consuming unhealthy foods until like age 30-40 and he/she want to start eating healthy and really practice some healthy lifestyle, will the body able to get healthy again and those unhealthy foods that we consumed in the past may did little effect on us?

I don't have much idea of how all these things work, for me it's kind of logical that right now we consumed lots of unhealthy foods, then the effects would remain in our body no matter how much we consume healthy foods. It's like damage that already done to our body cannot be repaired. But is this really true?

i think better late than nothing?

Depends how much you are willing to spend, myself, my supplement cost is about RM 700 per month, and I look 10 years younger, in my 40s, but many times I am picked up by girls in their 30s

half true.

everything has their own clearance time from the body. majority of them are cleared very quickly.
those that don't clear quickly are what people usually call poison and heavy metal..........but usually these are not present or extremely low amount in usual diet.

just like anything, i think it boils down to genetics. warren buffet's diet is full of unhealthy food but he still looks pretty healthy. although being 30-40 is not too late to adopt healthy lifestyle i think.

last year when i was 25 i experienced a little quarter-life crisis of sorts. my family has a history with diabetes so i thought i should start adopting a healthier lifestyle to avoid myself being in similar situation in the future. the first step is to get rid of the notion that food is pleasure. instead i tell myself that food is just for fuel. if someone tell my younger self that i would eat so much vegetables and fruits everyday i'd laugh my head off. but i can see the improvements on my mind, body and soul and i don't think i'll ever return to my previous unhealthy diet.

What supplement you take until RM700 per month. Pls dun say all your supplement is from such and such MLM company ah. I was thinking whether such supplements are useful at all because if you read about those centenarians or what not, we seldom read or hear that they take supplements at all let alone RM700 worth. Your thoughts?

It's like this la, ginseng alone would cost rm 200, reishi another rm 200, cordyceps, another rm 300, why not? Moreovet, my supplement case is targeted for kidney, liver and lungs 700 is kacang putih

A lot of people thinks that as long as willing to pay up, taking supplement will improve health. "Never stinge when it comes to health." My concern is - it is not about the money. I can pay RM700, no problem. I am not sure of the benefits of supplements because I came across at least one study saying supplementation of a particular vitamin increases risk of cancer. I forgot what vitamin is that. The thing is, we are not sure of the long term effects of supplementation. Is there any controlled study that says taking so many supplements increase life expectancy? Instead of taking supplements, for now, I am taking a balanced diet until further research or study points to confirmed benefits of vitmanins. Take ginseng for example which is long touted as a tonic good for health . Is there a study proving that people taking ginseng have increased life expectancy ?

Well, it's not about willing to pay or not, certain things are naturally expensive, actually all vitamins are capable of causing negative side effects when consumed in large dose.

Supplement is a convenient term coined by western medicine practitioners. In TCM is more specifically termed as body nourishment, we know that as we age, or key organ will become less efficient, hence we work on nutrition that focus on these aging organs.

Study on longevity have never yield any concrete conclusion, however, to age healthily, it concerns on the well being of oneself. You could have a 30 year old car that still runs, but runs with do much problem, or a well maintained 30 year old car that starts in one crank, just a simple analogy for understanding

Sorry, did not notice your question about ginseng, actually there are many studies about ginseng and is positive effects to the human body.

This post has been edited by Duperaider: Jan 14 2018, 12:04 PM

Sorry but u still assume taking ginseng and what not is resulting in a "well maintained body" but I am saying there is no proof of that. Of course you hear stories of how some rich old people being very healthy in old age due to purported ginseng or placenta or what not but there are also plenty more of average income people living healthily well into 90s without taking any supplements whether ginseng or vitamins. All I am saying is you might be spending rm700 for nothing. You could have done just as well without it. Of course, you could be benefitting from placebo effect which is enough justification for taking it , maybe. I have actually asked a few people over 85 to above 90 years old over the years and none of them take any form of supplements ...zilch... not even vitamin C....maybe they would be even healthier than they already are... or maybe they would have fared worse...who knows ...

Your remark: Sorry but u still assume taking ginseng and what not is resulting in a "well maintained body" but I am saying there is no proof of that.

Answer: LOL Sorry, you are still assuming that taking ginseng ans what's not will not result in a "well maintained body" and, there are studies outside there that have proven that ginseng and what's not have beneficial result for the body.


Your remark: Of course you hear stories of how some rich old people being very healthy in old age due to purported ginseng or placenta or what not but there are also plenty more of average income people living healthily well into 90s without taking any supplements whether ginseng or vitamins.

Answer: Nope, my belief is base on reports from medical journal and biomedical research reports - please google them yourself LOL


Your remark: All I am saying is you might be spending rm700 for nothing

Answer: LOL Not true and it's none of your business, the reply for the following remark explains all. (no money issit?)


Your remark: You could have done just as well without it. Of course, you could be benefitting from placebo effect which is enough justification for taking it , maybe. I have actually asked a few people over 85 to above 90 years old over the years and none of them take any form of supplements ...zilch... not even vitamin C....maybe they would be even healthier than they already are... or maybe they would have fared worse...who knows ...

Answer: Not true, my blood pressure gone to normal, along with my blood sugar (as tested with modern medical devices) and also other indicators that is offered by Pathlab have shown positive improvement, so, it's not placebo. LOL I have asked some 85 - 90 year old too, and they take a good regime of supplements and they are also healthier.


Final conclusion: Please read more, apparantly, you read very little and I will not reply to you anymore because you are wasting my time to read your assumptions about other people.

Your argument ”please google yourself" is weak leh. I have done precisely that and other than some half baked studies and some on animals as well, there isn't any conclusive evidence. Depending on the sponsors, the motives of these studies are also questionable. That's the gist of what I am saying. Congrats on your blood readings imrovememt but based on your rigorous supplementation, it is not hard to imagine that you also watch your sugar, salt and calorie intake as well as exercise too and those combined could have been giving you your "improved blood reading "...

i got an idea-- you guys should see each other again in 20 years and see who has better health. i think that will settle the argument.

i don't spend until rm700 on supplements but i do take a couple.

Yea if it's something more serious like poison that our body can get rid off then it will remain.

But how about some unhealthy food? Let's say today I eat KFC. Does all the bad fats & cholesterol go away after a few days if I eat clean food?

I have no idea because I'm not sure how to search for this topic

I'm not sure about genetic or Warren buffet's diet but from my understanding, there are genetics that are "bad" as inherited and need to take extra precaution, whereas other genetic may not be that bad. But in general, healthy lifestyle and diet will be the main factor to determine if a person is healthy or not at old age.

Good choice. Yes I agree it's all about food pleasure as you can always choose what you want to eat. Everytime when I see soda or unhealthy food, I would ask myself: is there any kind of damage it will do to my body? If there is, I'm basically paying to damage my body. So my logical sense told me not to.

But for me, we can't live without pleasure. Especially when comes to food, one of my most craving food is always burger, I used to take it like once a week but now really gotta reduce.

Seldom, but doesn't mean they don't. And supplement don't always come in the same expensive packages that we usually see. They might take additional nutrition from other foods, which is like the supplement that we usually take. During their era, supplement is not as popular and comes in good range of products like now. So it's no surprise that we hardly heard about supplement from them.

Anyhow, this is something that we don't know how they able to live well. Unless u provide some info on that. Otherwise, many things do sounds like assumption where certain people don't take supplement, so other people should not rely on supplement either.

As far as I concern, I don't think the main purpose of this thread is to prolong life but to age healthier. Even if there is no proof that ginseng prolong life, it's already proven and highly recommended for list of health benefits.

I think you are talking about overdose and consuming certain nutrients that are not suitable for a person body for long period of time. The general advice is, always consult doctors before you think that certain type of foods are good so you keep on consuming them, and understand your recommended daily nutri intake well. Otherwise, any type of nutrition, if overdose too much, will create all sort of problems.

If a person has some type of cancer, there are foods that he/she need to avoid even if the same food is good for others. But this is subject to the illness condition. I'm not a specialist in this field but as far as I know as my general knowledge, all nutrition, if consumed moderately, should not create any type of issue. Same applies to cholesterol, fats and sodium as well. Most of the time, it's the food that has too much of these nutrients that make it bad for our body.

I guess it's up to which approach u prefer to maintain ur body health. There's nothing like it must be 1 + 1 = 2. Everyone take method that they think it suits them. There's no guarantee that food-diet itself only will be sufficient too

if irreversible damaged has been done.......for example liver cirrhosis then it's permanent.
diabetes too. but diabetes with the right diet and effort can control quite well.


in terms of cholesterol.......meh..........it depends.
most of the population isn't that sensitive to cholesterol.........meaning that dietary cholesterol plays little part/contribution to the overall cholesterol profile of the blood.
but if there's significant atherosclerosis already.........it will take a long a long time and effort to reverse it.

in terms of fat...........yea......reversible.

Food is second most important after genetics. Eat home cooked wholesome balanced diet of mostly plant based fibre, carbs, protein and fats that you can buy from the market. Cut down milk as most Asians have lactose intolerance to it.

And workout to improve the vital body functional organs.