Hi guys,

I did read a lot info on glass coating vs ceramic coating, etc

Every provider say they are the best.

But, I would like to hear your guys experience in real world on which method of coating u used, how much and does it work (help) actually? Worth it?

Kindly share yours here. Hope it help those who are interested to coat their lovely car...

if you wash your car, 2 times monthly (or 2 weeks once). you do not need any coating.

Coating is meant to strengthen the clear coat, but you still NEED to wash your car (contrary to popular believe)

Coating makes car cleaning easier, but you would still need to clean need it every 2 weeks, to avoid water spotting.


Eg: typical car wash, is 30 mins, with coating, you will need only 15 mins as the dirt wont stick too hard.

So, coating has its benefits, but it is not necessary.

This post has been edited by jamespaul: Dec 28 2017, 04:10 PM

Thanks for info bro

Assuming many will still wash their car after coating, would like to know their opinion / experience as well.

parking here. I am facing the same dilemma as you. Survey around so many coatings being offered ranging from RM600 to RM3000. I dunno if I should proceed since I just got my new car 2 weeks ago.

In short, if you like the shiny shiny new look or want to further enhance the lustre, coating can help.

If for the purpose of protection, despite whatever level hardness advertise, you'll feel conned.

Mind to share how much u spend? But why u say so, somehow coating help a little on small protection from bird poop stains, rain marks, and light scratches... but that’s why I’ll need to find out from u guys the effectiveness

This post has been edited by MsianGuy: Dec 29 2017, 12:20 AM

if you want real protection, get Paint Protection film.

protects against stone chips and most hazards.

Coating isnt too effective with stains and bird poop will eat into coating.

but, paint protection films are expensive. but they work.

Are they as glossy as coating?

I wanted to do coating, and did some research and asking around. I ended up not doing it as you need to pay more attention to the "coating protection", which beats the purpose of applying it anyway.

Bird poo, rain stains, chipping, scratch protection are pretty mere marketing talk. The vendor will inform you that must immediately clean it off or else will leave a mark (My mind was like "huh!!? What the heck? Have to baby it even more than without coating")

The coating layer is so thin, almost no effect to environmental damage.

So again to summarise, coating for the purpose of maintaining/enhancing the shine, yes go do it. For main purpose of protection, you'll be disappointed.

my car is coated with gguard coating 3 layer,

con
-still will have swirl marks, but not so obvious, still will kena calar
-watermark is terrible!!, let say u left your car outside and rain in the morning, afternoon suddenly bright sun, your car will be gone case, water spot wont go away
-u cant buff out minor scratch, if so u need to touch up with the coating again, if not very obvious spot visible during rain

pros
-less dirt
-shinny as fak

thatz all

if buy new car do it, if old car forget about it

will turn yellow

Why not look into harder clearcoats?
--> https://www.clearcoating.com/?gclid=EAIaIQo...ASAAEgKXYfD_BwE

Thx for sharing bro. Seems like it become maintaining the coating become priority, not the car anymore lolz 😂


Will the pricing make the differences? I mean the outcome. Because there are plenty of coating available out there. That’s why I’m so confused.

This looks expensive. I don’t think norm Malaysians can afford for the whole car unless super duper rich. I’m wondering the coating in the market right now that cost u few thousand ringgit really worth it... 🤔

This post has been edited by MsianGuy: Dec 29 2017, 10:02 PM

Yeah, the hot and spicy weather that we are having all years long.

there is 2 type, 1 is apply buy a spongy thingy, another is sprayed, go for the spray and make sure they take whole day to do. usually need at least 6 hours to cure

Not really, I had that paint protection film on my car few years back. Cover my front bumper, side mirrors and headlights.

Over the years, the films on the bumpers did have chip off spots. When we drive at 130km/h, those tiny size stones fly like bullets. Color of the films also changed. For the headlights, the film used was thicker. Though no chip off spot, it did have swirls and scratches.

The price for paint protection film is not cheap, close to 3k just for front bumper, side mirrors and headlights. So, for my new cars, I don't go for it any more.

Come on, don't be silly by wasting your money in so called "coating". Especially sierra slow. It's a rip off and scam.
And also "glass coating" which is a useless as u need to do maintenance to protect the coating to protect the paint. Economy is not good so cash is king. Just wash as usual and if it's really an eye sore go and repaint your car after a couple of years. One layer paint will only cost less than RM2k and your car will look brand new and shiny again.

Coating is for shining not for protection, nuff said

TS, better that you get a recoat of the clear coat to better range like this :
https://automotive.nipponpaint.com.my/produ...=nax_premila_2k

(look under "top coat clear")

Likely cost lesser than those so called "coatings" and may last better as just maintain like regular. This product should be even better than those from factory.

Tks all for valuable advice. Was thinking of one of these as paint protection. But as I routinely do 150kmh,realise both these process are waste of money.

As said, after some years, a fresh top cote is a better choice!

That's true. But even the shine doesn't last long so the whole thing is a waste of money.

What kind of paint below RM2k?

RM2K can get you quite a decent paint job for metallic paint of the same colour. I've done it before on a D-segment sedan and it includes touching up all the dents and dings.

Well what you pay is what you get. For less than RM2k paintwork respray (some more D segment sedan, really?), they will use cheaper ingredient and maybe less proper pre-repaint preparation. Consumer will only always look at the price more than the value behind. (FYI: I do not own any car paint workshop, I am just like anyone of you, the normal consumer)

IMO, coating does serve its purpose to certain extent. If you have budget you can go for it, else normal waxing will work as well. Both wax and coating serve as sacrificial layer on top of ORIGINAL manufacturer paintwork, but the durability and level of protection are the key differences between both products.

But like what other said, after coated your car, it doesn't escape you from the responsibility of washing your car regularly. It makes maintenance easier and less dirt, similar to car that is protected with wax (not all kind of wax). Forget about stone chipping protection for coating as the thickness of coating is approximately <2um after fully cure.

One more thing to note : the prep stage before coating is crucial as well. More on the craftsmanship and the level of detail. Also, good quality coating will be less prone to spotting issue than other.

This post has been edited by windskill: Jan 17 2018, 10:58 AM

I am on my 3rd car ownership, and never once I felt there is need to do any coating. Not even wax.

- Never treated with any coating or wax
- Never been polished
- Park outside under the sun at home
- Park outside near tree at office. Somedays will be covered with tree saps and other tree stuff. Somedays, will be covered in bird shit. Birds really love to rest on those trees. Partially under the sun.
- All cleaned at car wash using whatever cleaner that they use.
- Usually washed once a week (coz of the bird shit).

Apart from scratches, after car wash the car paint looks as normal as any other cars after 6 years.

If you intend to keep your car for over 10 years, then perhaps coating would be worth it..

I have seen car with coat and non coated. After 3 years the coated car shinnier than non coated car. Exact same colour. I guess it prevent the paint from oxidation hence the shine too

do let us all know when u selling your car, is best we know so that we can avoid buying your car in the future

Yes, coating can inhibit oxidation formation better than normal carnauba wax (synthetic polymer sealant can does a good job as well) due to the structure and properties of polysiloxanes (AFAIK,good coating nowadays should at least be using this. There are other type of silanes as well).

As you know that the car coating is getting common, here would like to conduct this survey for the public knowledge especially as the reference for the car owner looking for the coating.

After submission, you will able to view the survey result.

Car Coating Survey

It's nothing to do with oxidation. The shine comes from the coating. When it wears off the car will look like any untreated car.

Can’t compare against a car which has never done waxing and polish. Guess it’s whether you do coating which lasts for 2 years vs regular waxing

If me i just do regularly wax once a month, cheaper a its not that hard to DIY wax..
Wash by myself.. Once a week

Hi guys, I have done glass coating on my car and wondering what shampoo is suitable to use and looking for your recommendation. My Coating shop told me that my current Meguair Wash and Wax is not suitable but they have yet to tell which is. Looking for your feedback. Many thanks.

ECOAT is good!

wraps are also susceptible to scratches wrapping supplier says still need to do polishing which cost around 2k... bengang my relative

wraps are also susceptible to scratches and swirl marks

This post has been edited by loki: Oct 4 2018, 11:03 PM

I did at Sensha Coating Malaysia. Love the results.

Any recommendations for coat-friendly shampoo?

Thanks above for the Sonax option.

Almost gone for ECOAT! Haha how they did recommend you to maintain the coat? Please share

If i not mistaken sensha got their own shampoo product for car wash. Try check online.

Thank you for your great suggestion. Am inquiring.

Owned a gloss black car and after coating still shiny shiny after every wash.. did my coating at Ceramic Pro

at 1st plan to add PPF after coating on front part (front bumber/hood/fender) and doors but cannot find affordable PPF.. all around rm4k-rm5k front part only

Meguair NXT

Was comparing Ceramic Pro brand coating vs Sonax CC36 from Germany. In the end went with Sonax as ceramic pro price is very expensive. I did mine in Singapore. The end results is very good on my new continental car.

When do side by side comparison with another non ceramic coating new car, both the same black Color, u can easily tell that ceramic coated car has the look of mirror like, flat and glossy smooth finish.

For Non ceramic coated new car paint, when looking from side at 45degree angle, u can see the unevenness, wavy texture of the paint.

Sonax product guarantee is 36months. But i think with our weather, maybe last 2 years. I shall see and report back.

Can it be used on plastic trims as well as headlights and taillights?

Yes it can be applied to the headlights, taillights and windows too.

How much is Sonax cc36? I paid nearly RM3k for ceramic pro silver package + interior.

Approaching 1 year mark soon.. still shining hehe


Coating day

This post has been edited by maiself: May 11 2019, 12:06 AM

In SG, 2 Layers ceramic pro brand is already around RM3k
4 layers is RM3.9k

The sonax cc36 from Germany is a 3 layer process and cost slightly less than RM2.4k, that’s why I went for it. Furthermore sonax is made in Germany. I hope it’s a good combo with my Conti car.

There is not much marketing for sonax ceramic coating but worth to take a look.

Hi guys can anyone recommend me where is the best place to do windscreen de watermark and windows coating?

still no answer/opinion ceramic or glass coating better..lol...

yeah been looking for an answer for this eh...

hi sifu,

anyone heard of Optishine Coating? Is it glass coating?

I have done some extensive reading before sending my car for coating (because it is expensive) and I found out that it is accepted generally that if you favor towards "protection" then you should opt for glass coating however if you are more for the "looks" then the ceramic coating may just be your fix.

it does seem that glass coating is "harder" than ceramic coating BUT lack the finishing touches (ie: the smoothness and not as shiny).

the differences are negligible unless you are a person who ticks every check box in the form and it especially won't matter much if you wash your fortnightly with good car wash shampoo.

Latest tech around is graphene coating. It is supposed to be one step up from ceramic coating.

If you have a new car, you probably can apply this by yourself. Some of the manufacturers are Ethos Graphene Matrix and Adam Graphene Coating. Google them and you can also find youtube videos showing prep and application.

I haven't tried yet but I was planning to buy and try them when I have time.

Coatings are useless unless you wash your own with car shampoo that is not strong or remove coatings.

Lots of car wash centers offer coatings. They use marketing strategy to make your coating go away fast by using strong shampoo. It feels like very clean but in fact the coatings are remove each wash

Realistic hydrophobic permanent coats are mostly expensive and it is in the range of 5000 - 30000. Some applies directly on paint that need weeks to complete

Some are coated directly to the paint protection film. Such as Magnus Pro ( ceramic Pro Family )

Some coatings such as FEYNLAB offers one of the best coatings in the world but it is not easy to apply any of them. DIY is impossible with no professional coating method experiences
They provide coatings that self heal minor scratches, swirls and etc.

Best investment is still paint protection film that is coated with hydrophobic enhancements and self heal tech


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Everytime rain touches the car and it is not clean off. It will bond on the coat and causes bad effect. If the vehicle is coated
It will bond on the coat rather than the clear coat of the vehicle but bird poop is another question

All those videos on easy wash are just gimmick. They are washed immediately


How to check how many layers of coats are applied. Use a meter and never trust what crap the salesman say




This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Sep 13 2020, 02:12 AM

To me coating is useless.

Watermarks will still accumulate even after coating is done. This is because rain water after being baked in the sun, will create stubborn watermarks which normal car wash can't remove.

End up, you will still need to do polish to remove these watermarks.

Thus, I would not do coating and use the money to do polish & waxing when needed (normally once a year).

yeap. washing your own car regularly with a PH neutral car shampoo is the only thing that most car owners don't do after they bought a coating package because they thought coatings are an "end-all" maintenance thing.

coatings are not useless. skeptics deem that it is because of all the false advertisements most shops put out (eg: wash car once every month only etc) and when these claims cannot live up (obviously since it is fake) then all the negatives come in.

coatings are not invincible, like wax, they are made to add just an extra layer of protection on top of the existing clear coat, a more resistant sacrificial layer (if you will). the "scratch resistance, hydrophobic effect, glossy surfaces" are like french fries that comes with your burger.

the idea is when something "bad" happens, you only need to remove that layer which was not "part" of your car - a feel good factor.

while polishing is an effective way to restore your paint work but there's a limit to it before the clear coat is "wiped off"and it hits the actual paint work.

at the end of the day, no matter what "stuffs" you put on your car paint, if you neglect it, it is bound to go straight to hell.

i am a firm believer of good old elbow wax kinda person and i still do because they are cheap and they work BUT depending on the individual, some may not want to spend that extra effort on applying the wax once every 6 - 8 months and the surface prep prior to application is tedious (claying etc). I know it because i have been doing it for the past 4 years on my Accord.

applying your own wax is made even more difficult if you are living in a stratified property because you cannot occupy the car wash bay for the entire day and deprive others of the usage.

when i bought my new car, i decided to give coatings a try, paid RM2,100.00 for a 5 year warranty one and i am enjoying the convenience that it gives me at the moment. RM2,100.00 is a lot of money but if it realistically, it's just about RM1.00 daily.

This post has been edited by shaniandras2787: Sep 14 2020, 09:57 AM

Where do you normally park your car? Shaded or expose to the rain and sun?

a mixture of all conditions, perhaps a little bit more on shaded/indoor, just a little bit.

May i know how long it can last for "shinning" and are you using Sensha shampoo to maintain the coating?

anyone did ceramic pro + magnus pro combo here?..

interested to know this too.. seems very good but the price is also very good

While i'm the user who use get ceramic pro gold package coating and been few year since coating , i think my opinion can give some guide line for those who tend to get coating for their car.


1 st year the ceramic pro coating is in damm good shinning plus water repellent condition, just wash with car shampoo and the wipe it, all the dirty thing is just gone and shining as like just wax

2nd year, it start degrade even you wash the car as per recommend by them , water mark appear but still have some sort of water repellent affect. but glass portion, definitely no more water repellents effect

so from 2nd year , you should do once a year coating maintenance which is free under warranty package .

3rd year on ward until the warranty period over, the coating effect will not last more then a year, maintenance should be go for third a year ( which is free as well)- edit new comment- water mark appear on roof after perform maintenance 2 month ago ( on third year)

my suggestion,

for those who are lazy to polish/ wash car, you may go for ceramic pro coating as their perform free maintenance during the warranty period. even you got car accident, after repaint they still free coating back for you.

after coating or coating maintenance, you just need use shampoo wash and easily water repellent effect appear. The only disadvantage is that you need spend two or three day a year for booking to perform coating maintenance your car.

For those who keep on saying ordinary polish/ wax will get the same affect. Yes , i agree, but it only last two to four week depend on your environment condition. AND you WILL NOT so damm hardworking every month go wax / polish your car ( perhaps for the 1st year of new car you will doing that )

another thing i need to emphasize, DUN BELIEVE about the stone chip prevention regardless of what kind of wrap or coating method! It will not help . unless you always drive 40-60 mph.

conclusion, ceramic pro is not a permanent coating but their package is charge inclusive of yearly maintenance under warranty period .

so if you have extra budget and is a lazy people like me for wax your car every month, go for it .DONNOT expect within the warranty period, you no need send back your car for perform coating maintenance .

I have another will go for coating for next month, I will not go for ceramic coating for my another car, i plan to try opti coat as i heard ( hope) it did not need to perform yearly maintenance.

Will let you guys know after few year coating the opti coat as I'm a guy like you all which look for opinion as well for the coating result,

as most of them give their opinion within 1st year of coating which that not most of us want to hear as the coating is expensive like respray the car.

Hope my true experience of ceramic pro coating can make you to decide.

This post has been edited by kokseong23: Feb 10 2021, 08:13 PM

Done opti coat for a week plus, cannot tell you this product is better then other product as 1st year any product of coating should be in the perfect condition, it might only degrade after a year . will input comment after a year later.

base on experience on opti coat and ceramic pro during collection of car , the difference is ceramic pro given more "wet shining look" . water repellent parts is the same since it still new. 2 year above comment on ceramic pro you can see on my previous comment .

first impression during car collection

1)convenient part - Opti coat win - as he go to your house collect car and send back to you after coating, no need hazel to call grab car two time

2)wet look shinning part - ceramic pro win

3) professional of handling - opti coat win - as is the boss it self ( perhaps together with worker ) done from A to Z, it provide more comprehensive or rather say more focus to make your car in perfect condition before coating


As i still remember when i collect my car from ceramic pro , since i not free, i delay one day to collect, during collection, my car is park out side and lot dust appear on my car, i did complaint and the they said guaranty already coating go back spray water and the dust will out easily (- which is true after i do it at home). Just that i paid so much , even i delay a day to collect my car and you notice i will going to collect my car, as a business point of view, you should wash and deliver to me in shinning not dust look right?

kokseong23 how much did it cost u for opti coat and is the price only on external paintwork?

On ceramic maintenance, did you see what was done on the so called maintenance? product used?

Wow thanks for your detailed write ups and follow ups

What's the price you paid for opti coat vs ceramic pro? Both are essentially ceramic coating just different name? Why didn't you go for PPF?

mine MPV car - ceramic pro gold package 4k Plus plus and sedan car- opti coat 2k Plus plus , but for sure opti caot is cheaper. different brand of ceramic coating contents might be different as i know some other brand it request you go maintainence for every half year even coating just been done .

I not sure the ppf will be still water repellent after few year as i not done before . but it more expensive then ceramic coating. you may ask the ppl that been done for few year about the result. But one thing for sure, stone chip prevention is impossible as their claimed in advertisement as it u need drive 40-60mph .

Just wash my car that done maintenance with ceramic pro 2 month ago ( been coating for 2 year plus) , the water mark appear on roof of my car, the rest is still water repellent effect after perform the maintenance. SO i wonder is it only normal wax for the maintenance part? will update my review above on ceramic pro. it become not recommended or would like to say if insist go for it, just get the silver package will do, not package beyond that as it become useless .

This post has been edited by kokseong23: Feb 10 2021, 08:16 PM

opti coat sedan car cost me 2k plus plus and yes, external and internal door frame part  only .there are two company do this product, one is under opti coat Malaysia dealership  and  another is working in home base but import the product from other country, I doing with the person that work in home base. U may google your and analyses self  which one is better.

perhaps you need to ask ppl around how the effect of opti coat after few year  as i only done for two week, cannot comment how long last lasting of this product. i tried google , no people give opinion after few year in malaysia other then the advertisement . on other country, yes. it did have pro and con review.





ceramic pro maintaince? i not sure as i put the car there and collect on the next day. it might be "remove water mark and wax only" - to be fair i guess saja as water mark appear on my roof after two moth maintenance . ( 2nd year maintenance dun have this kind of issue, it only happened on third year and mine is gold package

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This post has been edited by kokseong23: Feb 10 2021, 08:08 PM

i just copy and paste their conversation and let you guy decide by you own.


original opti coat message ,

Opti-Coat Pro Plus Price is RM2XXX
Package also comes with a full exterior surface preparation, scratch repair, cleaning, stain removal, brake dust particles removal, tar removal. Technically the surface should be contamination free when I'm done with the surface preparation

Main difference would be the coating coverage area is full exterior except rubber areas like window lining and tyres. Windows/Glass are FOC hydrophobic coat.

Warranty is 5 years for all cars across the board. Covers also any cracking, peeling, oxidation, yellowish, haziness, and in some rare cases of cheap coatings turning into a white powdery residue


Original ceramic pro package ( i still keep all the conversation after few year..haha......



ceramic pro : The watermarks are formed due to contamination of rain waters if the car if left un-taken care (no regular car wash) and coating is not able to work as prevention.

ME: I mean once a week car wash is it ok? as my partner using other product, but yet he need to wipe it immediately after raining which i think surf no purpose to apply

ceramic pro : Ceramic Pro 9H is a *permanent* adhesion protective coating. Once Ceramic Pro 9H applied, it can only be removed by using polish machine. Ceramic Pro 9H is a ceramic based nanotechnology coating which *DOESN'T require maintenance* comparing to typical glass coating in the market which frequent maintenance due to short durability.

Kindly watch the video below showing durability of Ceramic Pro 9H for years without maintenance:

https://www.facebook.com/ceramicpromy/video...?type=2&theater

In case if you suspect any degradation in coating performance, you may always send the car to us for inspection anytime at *ZERO COST*


Some coating vendor would be introducing so called 'maintenance programme'. The definition of maintenance is to 'cover up' on the coating degradation after sometime with wax/sealant to prolong the water bead effect. Probably they would be offering 1 -2 times FREE Maintenance, however there would be additional cost for the subsequent maintenance interval which might be ranging from RM150 - RM300 per session.

Example calculation :

Maintenance 1st time : FOC
Maintenance 2nd time : FOC
Maintenance 3rd time : RM150 - RM300
Maintenance 4th time : RM150 - RM300
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Maintenance X time (up to 5 years) : RM150 x 5 or 10 times = RM750 / RM1500 (additional hidden cost)

update on opti coat and ceramic pro product , been post at another lowyat forum since got a member ask, so i past at here also.
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it been one year plus and im the lazy guy that dun like to wash my car every week, perhaps once a month? And the result till now is still water repellent condition ( bear in mind i parking place at work is hardcode situation which very hot as near the river without tree and yet is red soil road) . so if u really want to do coating. i recommend it. as Ceramic pro. after i complaint, they said "we" need to wash EVERY WEEK in order not to degrade the ceramic pro ( what answer is that, if in this case ,better i go for polish and wax every month also not that expensive), however, good for them as they recoating for me, i would like to say customer service is good but the product is not i want, it not per advertise which mean the coating cannot prolog for many year as it cannot sustain the acidic raining, that y they said need wash every week...

i will do for my third car since the opti coat life span ( already one year plus ) is better then ceramic pro ( more then 2 year coating and within 2 year the result also poor then opti coat) . I hope it will not degrade after 2 nd year..lol... any ppl been done opti coat more then 2 year pls give some advise before i proceed.

As for ceramic pro, again, not that all negative comment, if you have time to send your car 3 time a year( after coating 3 year) for maintenance and can wait for slot for maintenance ( as i wait for 3 month after call for appointment to slot in ), your car definitely is more shinning compare to opti coat.

Or as told by their staff , if you still maintain wash your car every week start from the beginning of coating day ( which i only do it on 1st year) till the end of selling your car, may b you don;t need to send for maintenance .. and may i know who is washing the car everyweek after do the ceramic pro, does it really will not degrade the ceramic pro product ? ( even thought i know it not make sense as they claim is acidic prevention on their product, so why need to