Honda, the only manufacture who can tune FF car to beat AWD, FR in lap time...
Honda Civic Type R, Fastest FF car (stock)
Honda Civic Type R, Fastest FF car (stock)
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Dec 27 2017, 04:26 PM, updated 8y ago
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I NEARLEE fall off chair when i read beat AWD car.
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TS your statement maybe true 20 years ago but now many FF from other brands is as good as Type R if not better.
BTW saw one on the road last week. looks just like a riced up Civic. got no feel at all. i think a C180 will give a better impression. maybe they overdid it with all those racing kits. |
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QUOTE(advocado @ Dec 27 2017, 04:29 PM) TS your statement maybe true 20 years ago but now many FF from other brands is as good as Type R if not better. previous version of FK Type R is superb looking then ricer version of latest Type R. BTW saw one on the road last week. looks just like a riced up Civic. got no feel at all. i think a C180 will give a better impression. maybe they overdid it with all those racing kits. latest version RM300k++ (can get GTR already, but road tax gonna monster kill), no money no talk car... This post has been edited by heavensea: Dec 27 2017, 04:31 PM |
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Who needs Type R when u can just slap red honda logo , change body kit and call it Taip R
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Dec 27 2017, 04:30 PM) previous version of FK Type R is superb looking then ricer version of latest Type R. New car vs used old car. latest version RM300k++ (can get GTR already, but road tax gonna monster kill), no money no talk car... Cheap maintance vs expensive maintance Only retarded people compare new 300k car with 2nd hand r35 |
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QUOTE(kaka_89 @ Dec 27 2017, 05:40 PM) i'm asking if they are real AWD with at least 50% power from the rear or like Audi useless quattro where the front carries majority of the power and rear just maybe 10%-20%, or like WRX STi where driver can switch between 30-80% with the control knob.This post has been edited by advocado: Dec 27 2017, 05:47 PM |
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But in the end, alot of people still say it is a ricer with 3 mufflers. :-(
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Dec 27 2017, 06:00 PM) Mercedes?lmao. Evn their high end car fail moose test. A45 in paper and drag race will tapau all 2.0 car. But civic will tapau a45 in track and cornering but but but... u buy civic for track use for road use leh? This post has been edited by psyduck89: Dec 27 2017, 06:40 PM |
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i thought the new initial D with the new type R
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QUOTE(MrBombastik @ Dec 27 2017, 06:55 PM) Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 8 minutes and 10 seconds.Civic Type R completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 7 minute 43.8 second. 30s difference. A45 better than civic in track?lmao This post has been edited by crash123: Dec 27 2017, 07:10 PM |
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Dec 27 2017, 07:09 PM) Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 8 minutes and 10 seconds. but that car, certain equipment was removed from the vehicle, Civic Type R completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 7 minute 43.8 second. 30s difference. A45 better than civic in track?lmao including the air conditioning, front passenger seat and audio equipment. just for record sake.. not really reflect how it perform on road right?? saw some comment about the honda track record... 1. production car means STOCK nothing added or removed.. 2. a role cage is damn light and add only 10-15kg to the car.. BUT it increase chassie stiffnes dramaticly which increase body controll..allows to run softer damper which is on the bumpy northloop a huge plus 3. do a video with a stock production model like VW does and stop cheating with testmules which is typical Honda fashion... This post has been edited by psyduck89: Dec 27 2017, 07:53 PM |
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type-r price in USA - 34,000 usd
type-r price in MY - rm320,000 fark |
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QUOTE(norazwan79 @ Dec 27 2017, 09:16 PM) rm320k can only get civic sedan non-turbo in SG http://www.honda.com.sg/cars/price_sheet.asp 200k SGD for type r This post has been edited by zerorating: Dec 27 2017, 09:21 PM |
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Honda fan and their civic = Apple fans with their iPhones
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QUOTE(waioramin @ Dec 27 2017, 10:46 PM) japan...and their cheats... even stock record, they removed the spare tyres and anything they can easily do so. they prolly hired a light weight driver just for the test.mazda cheat on hp.. even GTR record in nurburgring is questionable... i trust porsche more on this.. US is truly heaven for car lovers All vehicle manufacturer cheats. the actual hp you will never get from dyno. European cars not only cheat on hp but also emissions. GT-R is a superb race car irregardless of whether Nissan cheated or not it's proven to be a competitor. Porsche, ain't really safe especially with those RR platforms they insist on sticking with. US is heaven for car lovers, but even so getting classic foreign vehicle's still a challenge due to import restrictions. I think Europeans has more option price wise won't lose to USA. |
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Few youtube reviews video shows taip r quicker than golf r and wrx sti on tracks...
I believe amg a45 is quick on tracks with long straights but still lose to taip r on curvy tracks. Yes the taip r looks very ricer bengish inside and outside |
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Dec 27 2017, 09:14 PM) Price in malaysia is 10times minors few thousand ringgitThis is due to 1. Currency exchange 2. crazy tax But most culprit, is due to crazy tax la. Elantra sport is 16k usd, here is rm130k. civic 1.5 tcp is 18k usd, here is rm130k. Here people said myvi is a cheap car at rm50k while there in murica can buy e-class already. Tolak tepi about maintenance, u got so much excess money to maintain car due to cheaper initial cost. But cant complain much. Need to suck reality msia car will never ever be cheaper. Lol. |
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QUOTE(crash123 @ Dec 27 2017, 07:09 PM) Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 8 minutes and 10 seconds. Most of ppl hate Honda lol and so ego dont want to admit civic the most hot hatch in the marketCivic Type R completed a lap of Nürburgring Nordschleife in 7 minute 43.8 second. 30s difference. A45 better than civic in track?lmao |
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QUOTE(advocado @ Dec 27 2017, 04:29 PM) TS your statement maybe true 20 years ago but now many FF from other brands is as good as Type R if not better. It's the engine under the hood that is why it's expensive....only let down its manualBTW saw one on the road last week. looks just like a riced up Civic. got no feel at all. i think a C180 will give a better impression. maybe they overdid it with all those racing kits. |
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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Dec 27 2017, 07:22 PM) but that car, certain equipment was removed from the vehicle, Wait how sure r u the a45 wasn't stripped or fitted with racing tires when it was lapping nordschleife at 8m10s??including the air conditioning, front passenger seat and audio equipment. just for record sake.. not really reflect how it perform on road right?? saw some comment about the honda track record... 1. production car means STOCK nothing added or removed.. 2. a role cage is damn light and add only 10-15kg to the car.. BUT it increase chassie stiffnes dramaticly which increase body controll..allows to run softer damper which is on the bumpy northloop a huge plus 3. do a video with a stock production model like VW does and stop cheating with testmules which is typical Honda fashion... Don't be so innocent la bro. |
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Bmw merz and Audi are noted as the brand which people associate with money...but Japanese also build lot of good performance cars which can match or better than the bmw...example skyline the looks and the car performance is just speechless...honda civic is not cheap either...rm 135k for the premium specs without discount is not cheap....but a guy whom can easily afford a bmw 3 series brand new will say civic is a cheapo and no standard
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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Apr 24 2018, 03:05 PM) Dude, thats not the way to lay claim. If you wan to claim times in Nurburgring, you must do official times. Not self test and claim. The list there does not even have more than 4 mercedes in it. And all of them are supercars. If you give this statement to people who lives and breathes Nurburging, you will be made fun off. |
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I think Amoi prefer Merc instead of Honda type R. True story..
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QUOTE(gtp777 @ Apr 24 2018, 10:16 PM) to b honest, most amois duno about cars, so they will choose merc instead of civic r, to them the merc driver is richer than civic r driver even though both cars cost the same price |
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QUOTE(mffa @ Dec 28 2017, 12:26 AM) Price in malaysia is 10times minors few thousand ringgit Bruh cannot compare like that. Insurance for a Mercedes in USA is at least 200-300 usd a month, that's for a normal c class or e class. Have a sports car? Easily 500 per month. How much insurance in Malaysia? Roadtax yearly for a Mercedes around 1k usd. Don't go by engine capacity. They go by msrp value of the car based on year. In 5 years u add back the insurance cost and Roadtax. Same price as buying in Malaysia only. Not to mention you break one part here the service cost is same price as the part price. Changing timing belt in an Almera cost u almost 80 usd in labor... That's before environmental taxes and etc.This is due to 1. Currency exchange 2. crazy tax But most culprit, is due to crazy tax la. Elantra sport is 16k usd, here is rm130k. civic 1.5 tcp is 18k usd, here is rm130k. Here people said myvi is a cheap car at rm50k while there in murica can buy e-class already. Tolak tepi about maintenance, u got so much excess money to maintain car due to cheaper initial cost. But cant complain much. Need to suck reality msia car will never ever be cheaper. Lol. Malaysia never look at the bigger picture. Yes upfront cost is lower in Malaysia. Long run to own a Mercedes in USA is not cheap as well. It's cheap if you look at the MSRP. Of course if you compare dollar to dollar it would be cheaper but /k/ all 20k/mo ma This post has been edited by sheldonyong: Apr 24 2018, 10:25 PM |
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Apr 24 2018, 10:25 PM) Bruh cannot compare like that. Insurance for a Mercedes in USA is at least 200-300 usd a month, that's for a normal c class or e class. Have a sports car? Easily 500 per month. How much insurance in Malaysia? Roadtax yearly for a Mercedes around 1k usd. Don't go by engine capacity. They go by msrp value of the car based on year. In 5 years u add back the insurance cost and Roadtax. Same price as buying in Malaysia only. Not to mention you break one part here the service cost is same price as the part price. Changing timing belt in an Almera cost u almost 80 usd in labor... That's before environmental taxes and etc. 500x 12 x 5 = 30k insurance in 5 yearsMalaysia never look at the bigger picture. Yes upfront cost is lower in Malaysia. Long run to own a Mercedes in USA is not cheap as well. It's cheap if you look at the MSRP. Of course if you compare dollar to dollar it would be cheaper but /k/ all 20k/mo ma 1k x 5 = 5k road tax 5 years add 35k to the 35k civic r price , 70k usd je over 5 years, n compare with our 320k myr here, dollar to dollar still much cheaper than msia |
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Apr 24 2018, 07:34 PM) Dude, thats not the way to lay claim. If you wan to claim times in Nurburgring, you must do official times. Not self test and claim. The list there does not even have more than 4 mercedes in it. And all of them are supercars. If you give this statement to people who lives and breathes Nurburging, you will be made fun off. Very true. Fyi, a Type R will not usually be the 8daily driver for most of their owners out there. So there is no point comparing these cars with your daily drivers. Simple to say, the owner's levels are different from those who could only afford one Merc which they use everyday to get to work. This post has been edited by TOMEI-R: Apr 24 2018, 10:32 PM |
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 24 2018, 11:29 PM) 500x 12 x 5 = 30k insurance in 5 years 70k = 280k d. This is before you kena Saman. Drive type r conlanfirm kena Saman unless u don't speed on public road. One Saman here will land u around 100usd if u exceed 10-20 miles per hour.1k x 5 = 5k road tax 5 years add 35k to the 35k civic r price , 70k usd je over 5 years, n compare with our 320k myr here, dollar to dollar still much cheaper than msia Each Saman will increase your insurance rate by 20%-30% for three years if u lucky. Malaysia saman = no need pay. Don't forget petrol price also. Tyre pricing and installation (installations are rarely free). Maintenance. Same jugak. Malaysia maintenance cheap as dirt. I do alignment once easily 50 usd. The type R u usually see online is base of the base. Usually have to add in few K options to be at the same spec as the ones in Malaysia as well.. The base mercedes here is kosong until cannot kosong one. This post has been edited by sheldonyong: Apr 24 2018, 10:36 PM |
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Apr 24 2018, 10:35 PM) 70k = 280k d. This is before you kena Saman. Drive type r conlanfirm kena Saman unless u don't speed on public road. One Saman here will land u around 100usd if u exceed 10-20 miles per hour. dei, dont convert to myr la, we are talking about earning usd and owning a type r vs earning myr n owning type r, u convert for wat?Each Saman will increase your insurance rate by 20%-30% for three years if u lucky. Malaysia saman = no need pay. Don't forget petrol price also. Tyre pricing and installation (installations are rarely free). Maintenance. Same jugak. Malaysia maintenance cheap as dirt. I do alignment once easily 50 usd. The type R u usually see online is base of the base. Usually have to add in few K options to be at the same spec as the ones in Malaysia as well.. The base mercedes here is kosong until cannot kosong one. 50 usd for alignment, here in msia alignment oso rm60 ledi la, dont tell me u now in US driving car but u earning myr meh? u student thr issit? |
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 24 2018, 11:38 PM) dei, dont convert to myr la, we are talking about earning usd and owning a type r vs earning myr n owning type r, u convert for wat? If compare dollar to dollar no conversion, at 310k Malaysian shouldn't even buy any car above 50k la. Myvi only. Hardly see anyone would spend above 50k for a car here. Not like malaysia everyone can buy car above 50k sial. 50k and above = highly spec e class d. Even at 50k not many ppl sampai hati buy mercedes50 usd for alignment, here in msia alignment oso rm60 ledi la, dont tell me u now in US driving car but u earning myr meh? u student thr issit? |
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QUOTE(sheldonyong @ Apr 24 2018, 10:35 PM) 70k = 280k d. This is before you kena Saman. Drive type r conlanfirm kena Saman unless u don't speed on public road. One Saman here will land u around 100usd if u exceed 10-20 miles per hour. wei, 50usd worth it la(at least they have strong consumer protection, u can go back and do realignment if not satisfied) ,RM50 here, and u go for alignment, bad day, 5km after that, alignment gone already...Each Saman will increase your insurance rate by 20%-30% for three years if u lucky. Malaysia saman = no need pay. Don't forget petrol price also. Tyre pricing and installation (installations are rarely free). Maintenance. Same jugak. Malaysia maintenance cheap as dirt. I do alignment once easily 50 usd. The type R u usually see online is base of the base. Usually have to add in few K options to be at the same spec as the ones in Malaysia as well.. The base mercedes here is kosong until cannot kosong one. go to another shop, RM50, another 1 week gone,....never ending shit.........in the end cost more then RM200 to get the things right... |
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Apr 24 2018, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Apr 24 2018, 07:34 PM) Dude, thats not the way to lay claim. If you wan to claim times in Nurburgring, you must do official times. Not self test and claim. The list there does not even have more than 4 mercedes in it. And all of them are supercars. If you give this statement to people who lives and breathes Nurburging, you will be made fun off. Well, im trying to say.. atleast amg a45, public can really get it close to the offical time... while honda's official time is more like a rumours... non of the video show that civic able to perform as good as claimed. |
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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Apr 24 2018, 11:44 PM) Well, im trying to say.. atleast amg a45, public can really get it close to the offical time... while honda's official time is more like a rumours... non of the video show that civic able to perform as good as claimed. Do you follow anyone specific when you quote Youtube? Guys that live at the ring? Guys that operate business at the Ring? Or just random people that does times that only they themselves can verify? Do you know this season they do not allow any more lap times to be done compared to the previous years? And you could get banned if you do it? Unless you are getting official times for a product and they will close the ring for that? Have you seen the Ring car park and what cars that actually are on the ring so often that you can come into conclusion Mercedes is just not a car you want to drive on the ring? |
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Apr 25 2018, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Apr 25 2018, 12:31 AM) Do you follow anyone specific when you quote Youtube? Guys that live at the ring? Guys that operate business at the Ring? Or just random people that does times that only they themselves can verify? Do you know this season they do not allow any more lap times to be done compared to the previous years? And you could get banned if you do it? Unless you are getting official times for a product and they will close the ring for that? Have you seen the Ring car park and what cars that actually are on the ring so often that you can come into conclusion Mercedes is just not a car you want to drive on the ring? Well, not only in track...On street oso same.. awd with better traction, more powerful engine.. No way a45 couldnt made it faster than the civic.. Even the honda engineer oso doesnt provide the solid proof of the report on the so called fasted record. |
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 24 2018, 10:22 PM) to b honest, most amois duno about cars, so they will choose merc instead of civic r, to them the merc driver is richer than civic r driver even though both cars cost the same price Hahaahahah ya since the girl is materialistic than yes u r right...she would even choose a toad in a merz than Arron kwok in a civic |
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Honda civic type R auto will be more sales
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