QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 15 2017, 02:30 PM)
Understand how people can misunderstand. Usually the word provoke has a negative aura to it.thank you note - after interview
thank you note - after interview
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Nov 15 2017, 03:01 PM
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Nov 16 2017, 09:32 AM
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Nov 16 2017, 09:51 AM
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Nov 16 2017, 03:07 PM
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i think the hiring manager just being nice. lol
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Nov 16 2017, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 15 2017, 04:46 AM) If I were you, I would not send the thank you note. Depending on how you craft the thank you note. As an interviewer, I am not interested in how polite you are or what. In fact, sending me a thank you note only tells me that you are pretty desperate. I mean I should be the one who is thanking you for making the special trip all the way to the company and risking not getting the job therefore making a fruitless trip. So if you are sending me a thank you note what does this tell me. That something went wrong in your current company and that you are desperate to leave. And also that you are not very capable and have to rely on a thank you note to gain my favor. If you really want to impress your interviewer, you should maintain cool. In other words, let the interviewer know that you are interested in the position but then at the same time also give the interviewer the impression that not getting the job is not going to affect you in anyway. You should only try to impress the interviewer during the interview. What happens after the interview is that maybe you could probably clarify the wrong things that you perhaps said in the interview. But then you should not be agressively pushing the interviewer after that. The only person you should sound desperate to is to your job agent. Leave the desperateness to your job agent. Be very subtle so as not to expose yourself. Between the person who send me the thank you note and the person who did not send me the thank you note, I would choose the person who did not send me the thank you note. The purpose of the interview is to identify the best candidate. So you only need to woo the interviewer about what you can contribute. Other things would be just a waste of time and may even be detrimental. You do not want to leave a sour taste with the interviewer right? For me, thank you note is just a simple note to thank the interviewer for their busy schedule to meet you, after filtering tonnes of application. It also to reinforced into the interviewer mind to remember you, imagine easily they interview 5-10 candidates just for 1 role. The interview last for 1-2 hours only, and, you need to impressed them within this short time, to a complete strangers who meeting multiple persons, on top of their usual day to day job. And, sometime, the thank you note can be deciding factor in hiring, imagine if they have 2 similar qualified candidates, the one who send in the thank you note, will show that this person is seriously want eager for this job, thus, landing him/ her for this role. |
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Nov 16 2017, 04:06 PM
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Nov 16 2017, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 14 2017, 04:01 PM) Greetings All Sifus, I used to sent thank you note too. Just take it as a courtesy to ask for their names and email in order to send a thank you note. Basically to me its more like showing my interest in the job. But the mail informing will be in contact in one week seems vague, he might just telling you im looking for better candidate, if there is better, bye to you. As subject just done a second interview in the morning and sent a note to hiring manager. Almost immediately received a reply saying: - Dear XXX, Thank you for your note and we also find our conversation interesting and thought-provoking. And he end the mail informing will be in contact in one week. What is he referring to for the word"thought provoking" and not sure if this is a positive sign? OR rather i over-analyse the situation... I personally went to an interview, in which she was so interested that she say will contact me ASAP, and she did it the next day. but still, hope you can update us on your outcome though, good luck! |
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Nov 16 2017, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 14 2017, 04:01 PM) Greetings All Sifus, Yes as someone mentioned "thought provoking" means you gave them points to ponder. It could be an opinion you said about the company or its products/ services etc. As subject just done a second interview in the morning and sent a note to hiring manager. Almost immediately received a reply saying: - Dear XXX, Thank you for your note and we also find our conversation interesting and thought-provoking. And he end the mail informing will be in contact in one week. What is he referring to for the word"thought provoking" and not sure if this is a positive sign? OR rather i over-analyse the situation... Also, yes don't over analyse. Some words may have been said as courtesy so just take it with a pinch of salt (don't take it seriously). QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 15 2017, 04:46 AM) Both agree and disagree with you here. Having interviewed many people, generally I won't bother wanting to receive any "thank you note" coz it's personally a bother. I have loads of emails to read and reply each day and imagine if there were 20 candidates and I receive 20 emails, I'll be a little annoyed. Having said that though, receiving a thank you note is also a sign of courtesy and that this person cares about the job. I don't view it as "desperation". Everyone who comes in for interview, wants the job. It's a matter of them showing appreciation of YOUR busy time to meet them. So I do take it positively, although it may be a bother QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 15 2017, 08:34 AM) Ok good notes there. Yes, I'll agree on this. Given the same choice, I'll probably choose the one who sent a thank you note as it shows he/ she cares more about it. A person who cares more, usually shows better enthusiasm which MAY lead to better performance. Just to add on to your not sending thank you note thing. I have the experience to hire and to interview potential candidates in previous and current company, to a scenario that i have 2 very strong candidates that is top of my list and gave me hard time to decide. Those two top contender has got the balance competency and exact what we looking for. Moving forward, the offer has eventually give to the one who present himself better AFTER the interview- thank you note,right time to call, quick in answering our further doubts and answer perfectly! Moral of the story? You decide... That is apparent the reason i insist to send a quick thank you note within 24/48 hours after our chat. It may be a speculation, assumptions blablabla but nothing wrong with selecting the one who wants it more. QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 15 2017, 01:32 PM) It could also just mean courtesy on the interviewer part. Since you made the effort to send me a thank you letter, I should reply in kind right? But then who knows what the interviewer is thinking? I mean after all as an interviewer, normally, I should show that I am going to entertain further concerns that you have and replying in kind only shows that. But then, what I would want to hear from you if say I am the interviewer is more clarification or say things you said something wrong during the interview and perhaps want to elaborate more with good reason. But then you do not want to overdo this as well by overemphasizing on your strength in a seperate letter because all those things should be done in the interview itself. I mean you should appear to be firm. The only place you should try to impress the interviewer is at the interview itself. It's a minus once you have to send an email to defend yourself because it shows that you are desperate unless you want to highlight something but of course it should be at one's discretion. A Thank you note is totally pointless because it adds nothing to my perception of the candidate. In fact, it would be a minus because it shows that you are doing worthless things just to gain my attention and there is a very strong likelihood as well that you are going to do the same thing when you join the company. Remember, I am hiring you to do task. I am not hiring you to do meaningless things like write thank you note. I do not want to hear and see you doing things that are not related to the task that I have given you. In fact, the fact that you actually wrote a thank you letter may even make me think that you may even backstab me in the future if say things goes wrong. Well you're entitled to your opinion. And it's thinking too much about backstabbing and whatnot when this is just a thank-you note we're talking about lol. You're calling these people hypocrites from your description, but here's the thing - don't judge them based on a thank you letter. Why get so worked up over a simple email/ note? Just dismiss it. You don't have to reply if you don't want to. The thing is, I should be showing thanks that you are wiling to travel all the way to the company and that there is a possibility that you may not even be employed. So you will be making a wasted trip. That is why sometimes interviewers are even obligated to serve you with say drinks if you come all the way to the interview since they want to make you comfortable and also as a way to thank the interviewer. And, don't forget you have YET to hire this person so you can't say you're hiring him/ her to do a meaningless task. It's not a task. You have YET to hire him/ her so sending the thank you note is at HIS/ HER time of disposal and not the company's. Lastly, there is NEVER such a thing as a "WASTED TRIP". Going for interviews is also a way to generate experience and find out more about a company. They are meaningful. The more you attend, the better you get at it. One may stumble in the first few interviews but will be able to express himself/ herself more in subsequent interviews. Making mistakes, failing, falling down - they are all part of human. Nobody is perfect, especially the people working IN the company. Even as an experienced person, I sometimes make mistakes at work too. I acknowledge it, make amends and my Management understands. However, the error shall not be repeated again as you're supposed to learn from it. QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 15 2017, 02:30 PM) Don't worry, even if an interview didn't go well, generally interviewers do not comment negatively. |
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Nov 17 2017, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 16 2017, 08:53 PM) Let's put things into perspective here. Compare 2 insurance salesperson. One goes through the extra mile to sell you his product. He keeps on saying that everyone needs insurance and that I will be a fool not to buy insurance and says that people who do not buy insurance will eventually be poor. He also explains on the benefit of this one plan. There is another insurance sales person who just focus on my needs and do not go to the hassle of saying more. Who would you choose. Well, obviously, I would most likely choose the person who only focus on my needs. Its because at least I know this person will not bullshit me further. Yes, both salesperson wants to sell the insurance but then one knows and understand my needs. He only focuses on my needs. I can trust that this person not to bullshit me further. The other person is very likely to bullshit and in some case even lie to me just so that he can sell me more insurance. I would think that there is a boundary between being superficial and taking the extra mile. That is something most salesperson really need to learn in Malaysia. I would say the same applies for interviews as well. I would not say that I will not hire someone just because they send me a thank you letter. But then it just lessen my impression of that person because to me thank you letter are superficial. And I would think that impression does count to some degree. Well... again, I find that comparison isn't apple to apple. Unless you're saying Candidate A insisted during the interview that you hire him/ her and that you'll be a fool not to, and also says you'll be damned if you don't hire him/ her and also explains the benefit of hiring him/ her. And then there's Candidate B who comes in and tell you straight forward what he/ she can do. Let's be realistic. Everyone wants the job. But then that does not mean you have to show that you are desperate for the job. It's like a poker game. You only want to show what is needed. In the interview, I do not need to know if you can sing or dance or love reading sci fi books or know literature. All I want to know is do you have the required capabilities and knowledge to do the job and of course the attitude as well. That is what you have to show me during the interview process. Showing more or less is going to put you at an disadvantage. I mean in the interview, if I show my nervousness, isn't that already a minus point? Isn't sending a thank you letter a hint that you are not confident that you did well in the interview? I would say that not showing that you are confident is a minus point because it shows that you probably have something to hide. I mean another analogy. Imagine someone wearing a suit and tie to a technical interview. I think most technical people would understand that this is actually a major put off. Of course it shows that you are interested in the position but then it hints of desperateness as well. I am still amazed that Recruiters are still asking candidates to wear suit and tie for interview. I think you know what I mean Well. I would think that it is not most people's interest to be good at interview. Most likely after working for 2-3 years most people would have probably forgotten about their interview experience and have to start from square one again. Well. I can guarantee you that if say the same person goes for interview to the same company 2-3 years later, their interview experience 2-3 years before would probably have not mattered. That's weird. So anyway to cap it, for you a "thank you note" is bullshit. Just to share with newbies who are debating whether to drop any thank you notes - in conclusion, so far it's 1 person who thinks that Thank You Note is bullshit. However some do give a shit whether you send one or not. Then there are those who gives no shit whether you send them or not. Hope that's capped nicely |
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Nov 18 2017, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(bonjour966 @ Nov 14 2017, 04:01 PM) Greetings All Sifus, Could be either. So you should judge based on the flow of the interview and how you felt. If you feel that you didn't say anything silly/provocative for example, then it should be good As subject just done a second interview in the morning and sent a note to hiring manager. Almost immediately received a reply saying: - Dear XXX, Thank you for your note and we also find our conversation interesting and thought-provoking. And he end the mail informing will be in contact in one week. What is he referring to for the word"thought provoking" and not sure if this is a positive sign? OR rather i over-analyse the situation... |
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